I expect these will replace some of the now fairly old CRJ100/200 a/c to help improve operating economics and also fleet commonality. I think the CJ900s were ordered for that latter reason over the CSeries (for which LH has an order for 30+30 but which are to be operated by LX).
rikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1461 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7720 times:
Despite the whining and crying of many members about comfort levels, we all have to give Bombardier credit for the continuation of the CRJ series. I don't think even Bill Lear would have predicted how far his "wide body" design would have went! We also have to admit that the CRJ is nearing it's Swan Song, and look ahead to the C series.......
I do hope that eventually the two main RJ builders will look seriously at NextGen for the 19 to 50 seat range.
But I digress...Congrats to Lufthansa and BBD. I hope the additional 900's bring many years of efficient CRJ service!
Cessna 172; King Air 100; Twin Otter; SAAB 340; Dash 7; Dash 8-100,-200,-300,-400; CRJ-200,700,900; ERJ-170; F-28; DC 9-
joecanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5002 posts, RR: 29 Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7664 times:
I think the CRJ's will be with us for a long time to come. Most of the griping about the interior comes from the 100/200 series. I'm 6'1" and I am quite comfortable in a Jazz 705.
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21026 posts, RR: 60 Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7490 times:
Quoting joecanuck (Reply 3): Most of the griping about the interior comes from the 100/200 series.
Exactly, because as configured by some airlines, they were/are unbearable for taller people.
But with more pitch, they aren't too bad, and the CRJ7/9 had a reworked floor and cabin to provide more room.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3854 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7468 times:
Quoting joecanuck (Reply 3): I think the CRJ's will be with us for a long time to come. Most of the griping about the interior comes from the 100/200 series. I'm 6'1" and I am quite comfortable in a Jazz 705.
I agree. I've done PSP-YYC on the 705 (about 2h45m) and found it fairly comparable to the Jungle Jet (but not the same) for comfort. But the 100/200s, that's a different story.
columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6798 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5280 times:
So LH is in a shopping mood....let´s see what Farnborough will bring
Since they have ordered the CRJ 900 and not the EJet I believe the aircraft will go to Eurowings as they become an all CRJ operator. I just had my very first flight with a SAS CRJ 900 and most say that I really liked it. They are great little aircraft and fun to fly with.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4701 times:
Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 2): I do hope that eventually the two main RJ builders will look seriously at NextGen for the 19 to 50 seat range.
As much as I would like to see it, I really don't thnk it will be happening. The success (or lack of) for the E135 probably has killed that segment. What is needed is a turboprop in the 30ish seat range as the EMB120, Q2-300 near retirement. However, the new ATR42-600 may take some of that slack.
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ju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3981 times:
Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 8): The Fokkers won't be replaced until 2020, as far as I have heard. OS has just signed a contract for another modification program
Ah great news! Love seeing them in Belgrade!
Do you know what kind of modification exactly?
SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3261 times:
Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 4): Great news, I love to work with the CR7/9. Not so much for the CR2 though. I'm wondering who they'll go to as well, and delivery dates!
Is the window placement the same on all these variations? That's the only reason I find it uncomfortable, that you have to be a contortionist to look out the window. I find the ERJ more attractive, and for comfort there's the single seating option and a much better window design.
Very proud as a Canadian, nevertheless, that Bombardier has done so well with this series. I would imagine that on the upper end, the Canadian A/C versions get hold more people due to it's wider cabin and 2 + 2 configuration?
There's an American trend to sell off feeder-companies (Mesabi, Compass, possibly American Eagle), and with them, their commuter jet fleets, I would imagine. There was a time that Air Canada was the only North American airline to own commuter jets on it's own, if I'm not mistaken. I wonder if it will once again become a anomoly for a mainframe airline to run it's own commuter operation.?
Lufthansa certainly seems to be bucking that trend. Is the structure different in Europe, that large airlines tend to operate their own feeder services?
rikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1461 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3261 times:
Quoting joecanuck (Reply 3): I think the CRJ's will be with us for a long time to come
Agreed. But my point was the fact we will no longer see the volume of production that the CRJ series saw in its heyday. My feeling is that the CRJ700/900/1000(?) will be this generations DC-9:
"When is __________ going to retire the CRJ - - - ?"
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 10): What is needed is a turboprop in the 30ish seat range
For that matter a 19 seater is also needed. I typed my original thoughts without fully expressing myself. Agreed about a 30 seat RJ. It's been tried over and over again, but we all know for stage lengths a TP is much more economical.
Cessna 172; King Air 100; Twin Otter; SAAB 340; Dash 7; Dash 8-100,-200,-300,-400; CRJ-200,700,900; ERJ-170; F-28; DC 9-
JoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5002 posts, RR: 29 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2959 times:
Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 13): Is the window placement the same on all these variations? That's the only reason I find it uncomfortable, that you have to be a contortionist to look out the window.
The window position was a major complaint with the 100/200 series to BBD lowered the floor and raised the windows on the 700-1000 models. I believe this also had the benefit of a bit more shoulder room for passengers.
pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2046 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2902 times:
The CRJ200 is the one with the low windows and the first generation seats were very uncomfortable. The CRJ700 and 900 series have the higher window beltline, better ergonomics on the various seats on offer and better storage bins above. I think the success of the Q400 will be the demise of the CRJ200. A partially full Q400 has much better economics, can fly up to 70 when needed, and has only a minor speed penalty. There aren't many missions that a CRJ200 does that a Q400 can't. The public is responding to the comfort factor, which is out-weighing the hesitancy towards turboprops. The CRJ200 filled an important role in the changing air travel industry, opening airports to service and improved access.
rikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1461 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
I have had the opportunity to fly the Dash 7, the Dash 8-100/200, -300, and Q400; the CRJ 100/200 and -700. I would rate the Q400 as the most comfortable, followed by the -700. The other Dash models are quite comfortable, and the CRJ -100/200...well...it's more of a bus, and that window position derived from the original Challenger executive jet. It is amazing how the difference in floor height and window height improved the CRJ range. It's too bad that the -200 couldn't have enjoyed the interior changes it's newer "family members" have! I'd love the try AC's -705 (70-ish seats in the -900 frame)!
I imagine the CRJ-700/900 and the newer -700/900/1000 NG's (with the larger windows, and tweaked ergonomics) will be around until, what...2030?
Cessna 172; King Air 100; Twin Otter; SAAB 340; Dash 7; Dash 8-100,-200,-300,-400; CRJ-200,700,900; ERJ-170; F-28; DC 9-
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2079 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2620 times:
Great news for BBD and LH
A pity they didn't order the CRJ1000, but that would obviously destroy the benefit of having one fleet with the same config. Last-minute swapping of aircraft is tricky when you must replace a fully booked 98-seater with an 86-seater.
LH Cityline used to have 84 seats in their CRJ900, but the seat map now shows 86 seats - they replaced the biz class closet with two seats. Does that mean that the aircraft now fly more low-fare routes and less "business traveller" routes?
Where do the LH CRJ900s fly these days? They used to have a daily MUC-OSL-MUC, but it is now an E195.
Several pilots have told me that the CRJ900 economics really shine when it flies 90-minute flights or longer, so does LH use them on longer flights?
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3854 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2454 times:
Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 4): Great news, I love to work with the CR7/9. Not so much for the CR2 though. I'm wondering who they'll go to as well, and delivery dates!
I think at least some are being forwarded to UTAir.
Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 16): I think the success of the Q400 will be the demise of the CRJ200. A partially full Q400 has much better economics, can fly up to 70 when needed, and has only a minor speed penalty.
The recent Jazz order for 15 (+15 options) for Q400s is actually to start replacing their CRJ100/200s, not to replace the DHC-8-102s (which are likely to get a life extension program and redone interiors).
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 52 Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2447 times:
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 19): Where do the LH CRJ900s fly these days?
For example at the moment;
MUC-AMS
MUC-BRU
MUC-CGN
MUC-ZRH
MUC-VIE
MUC-PRG
MUC-FCO
DUS-BIO
and of course many others. You'll find them on many flights on the European network, throughout the day. Many of the destinations are also flown by E95/B735/AR8/CR7 etc, varying per day actually.
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SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2227 times:
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 15): The window position was a major complaint with the 100/200 series to BBD lowered the floor and raised the windows on the 700-1000 models. I believe this also had the benefit of a bit more shoulder room for passengers.
Glad to hear it. 'Haven't yet had the pleasure.
Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 16): The CRJ200 filled an important role in the changing air travel industry, opening airports to service and improved access.
No doubt.
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 21): The recent Jazz order for 15 (+15 options) for Q400s is actually to start replacing their CRJ100/200s, not to replace the DHC-8-102s (which are likely to get a life extension program and redone interiors).
Interesting. On the surface it seems like a step backwards. I guess the deciding factor for me would be vibration levels, and the noise factor (inside and out). How are Q400s in that regard? I suppose there is a fuel consumption advantage as well.
condor769 From Germany, joined Feb 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2166 times:
LH CRJ 900 Next Generation order will be delivered during first half of 2011:
FRANKFURT, July 2 (Reuters) - Deutsche Lufthansa has ordered eight Bombardier CRJ900 NextGen aircraft to boost its regional fleet, the German carrier said on Friday.
It gave no financial details for the purchase. Deliveries are set for the first half of 2011.
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