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Delta/US Drop Planned Slot Swap  
User currently onlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1190 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13618 times:

I wonder what plan "B" will be.

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User currently onlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1190 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13602 times:

Wall Street Journal
By DOUG CAMERON Delta Air Lines Inc. and US Airways Group Inc. said Friday they are dropping a planned asset swap at two of the country's busiest airports ...


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13589 times:

Article?

So...now the Colgan LGA will NOT be closing I guess.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13462 times:

So now what? Delta's facilities at LGA are not great and JFK are horrible. The slot swap would have allowed Delta to take over US Airways much much nicer facility at LGA.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13451 times:

This is really unfortunate. This was a transaction that arguably would have improved the competitive environment in a number of markets (Brasil, Japan, and on the east coast in general) while not having much impact on competition for WAS or NYC local passengers. The numbers certainly showed an anticompetitive effect, but I'm not sure that's what would have happened. It's too bad they didn't hatch this plan two years ago - color me surprised at the result.


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User currently onlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1190 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

2012 is not that far off. I bet they are holding out for a new "regime" with less Czars and
the like.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13387 times:

This development will I suppose mean that WS will not gain entry to LGA from YYZ. I believe the initial swap plan indicated that WS would get 5 slots at LGA. I am wondering if it will have any longer term effect on any potential relationship with DL.


Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13284 times:

So US continues to bleed $150+M a year in LGA, while DL continues to sit on unused slots at DCA, just because of the fierce opposition by one airline that rarely flies to small/midsize cities of the kind DL would have served through the deal? I don't get this.


"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlinecv640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13137 times:

SWA has some powerfull lobbiest

User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4410 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13070 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
So US continues to bleed $150+M a year in LGA, while DL continues to sit on unused slots at DCA, just because of the fierce opposition by one airline that rarely flies to small/midsize cities of the kind DL would have served through the deal? I don't get this.

DL and US screwed up in how they initially structured the deal, especially with respect to hand-picking their competitors.



Live life to the fullest.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13008 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 10):
DL and US screwed up in how they initially structured the deal, especially with respect to hand-picking their competitors.

While that's certainly true, I don't think it should have attracted much scrutiny in the first place. That's the problem with the formulas that DoJ in particular uses in competition law - sometimes things that will have few anticompetitive effects (and may even have procompetitive effects) get swept up when they shouldn't.



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4410 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12971 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
While that's certainly true, I don't think it should have attracted much scrutiny in the first place.


You're joking, right? Hand-selecting one's competitors and the amount of competition they can provide is about the most flagrant foul there is in the world of antitrust law.



Live life to the fullest.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12916 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 12):
Hand-selecting one's competitors and the amount of competition they can provide is about the most flagrant foul there is in the world of antitrust law.

Huh? If I want to sell an asset, I can sell that asset to whomever I like without running afoul of the competition authorities. It's when multiple parties refuse to deal with a competitor that there's a problem.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineexFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12828 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 12):
You're joking, right? Hand-selecting one's competitors and the amount of competition they can provide is about the most flagrant foul there is in the world of antitrust law.

I would rather CHOOSE which of my enemies (competitors) benefits than having some govmt wanker who never worked in the industry TELL ME who I can and can't sell something too.



Is just me, or is flying not as much fun anymore?
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12756 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
Quoting avek00 (Reply 12):
Hand-selecting one's competitors and the amount of competition they can provide is about the most flagrant foul there is in the world of antitrust law.

Huh? If I want to sell an asset, I can sell that asset to whomever I like without running afoul of the competition authorities. It's when multiple parties refuse to deal with a competitor that there's a problem.

Swaps like this happen all the time. In the cellphone world, Verizon picked AT&T and Atlantic Tele-Network (ATN/Allied Wireless Communications) to take over the duplicate Alltel assets, and AT&T picked Verizon to takeover duplicate network assets that AT&T got after buying Centennial Wireless.

This transaction (at least the AT&T part) was approved by the DOJ and just went through, and the cellphone marketplace is just as, if not more concentrated than air travel in the US. Yet the DOJ didn't complain about Verizon "hand-picking" AT&T/ATN and AT&T doing the same with Verizon like they did with DL and US. See a double standard at work by the DOJ here? One for Verizon, AT&T, and ATN, and another for Delta and US Airways?



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12757 times:
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Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 14):
I would rather CHOOSE which of my enemies (competitors) benefits than having some govmt wanker who never worked in the industry TELL ME who I can and can't sell something too.

And that is exactly what DL and US did. it's hard to argue that this is a pro-competition move when you hand-pick the least threatening competitors and carefully avoid the most competitive one.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8694 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12746 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
The numbers certainly showed an anticompetitive effect,

The government analysts and their consultants are amateurs IMO. They give ATI left and right, but not a traffic-clearing deal with Delta and US Airways... weak, IMO. LGA has low fares because its flights have LOW VALUE... because the entire facility is misallocated. Meanwhile, CO-UA will be approved without a problem. Talk about penny wise and pound foolish.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12745 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 16):
And that is exactly what DL and US did.

Yes, in response to DoT. But I've not seen any evidence that at the outset, anyone besides DL and US was interested in the large blocks of slots DL and US wanted to dispose of. I suppose AA might have wanted the LGA package, but that hardly would have changed the competitive picture in NYC.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11809 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12733 times:

So now the question becomes, if USAirways is, indeed, losing so much money at LaGuardia, do they start selling the slots out piecemeal to the highest bidder? They quite possibly could end up making more money that way anyway, even if they don't get Reagan slots in return.

Plus, that would be worst-case scenario for Delta - selling off slots left and right to high bidders, many of whom would likely be low-fare airlines. Of the four big New York airlines (AA, Continental, Delta and JetBlue) all of them expcet AA have substantial exposure to domestic markets, but Continental has a true, massive hub to diversify against some of that lower-yielding competition, and JetBlue basically is that lower-fare competition.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6805 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12731 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 3):
The airlines said they would seek a judicial review of the requirement from regulators that they surrender slots at New York LaGuardia and Reagan National in Washington, D.C., through a blind auction.

They may seek judicial review, but they're unlikely to prevail. The regulations governing the LGA slot program state that the slots are not saleable unless the Secretary of Transportation chooses to grant a waiver. DOT could have simply said no, period. It would be dangerous to challenge DOT's authority to impose a slot program at LGA, since eliminating the slot program would throw the doors wide open to competitors like Southwest.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
This was a transaction that arguably would have improved the competitive environment in a number of markets (Brasil, Japan, and on the east coast in general) while not having much impact on competition for WAS or NYC local passengers.

It would have increased competition to GRU, but decreased competition to GIG. And the benefits to competition on the East Coast were limited at best, considering that US does carry a fair amount of connecting traffic through LGA at present. The transaction would have eliminated one of the largest competitors at both LGA and DCA, which does have a negative impact in those markets. The fact that DCA-PVD fares are over twice as high as BWI-PVD fares points to the airports being imperfect substitutes.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12664 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 20):
The transaction would have eliminated one of the largest competitors at both LGA and DCA, which does have a negative impact in those markets.

For local passengers, does it? DL and US were not competing on any of the routes we're talking about - would the transaction have affected DCA-PVD passengers, for instance?

Quoting ScottB (Reply 20):
And the benefits to competition on the East Coast were limited at best, considering that US does carry a fair amount of connecting traffic through LGA at present.

They do, but you would have gotten a more efficient hub at LGA (probably better than DL + US separately) plus a more efficient hub at DCA in exchange.

Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
Plus, that would be worst-case scenario for Delta - selling off slots left and right to high bidders, many of whom would likely be low-fare airlines.

...unless Delta was the high bidder. If Delta bought, say, eighty percent of the slots on offer, that wouldn't be disastrous for them, and you might make a similar argument but in reverse about DCA, although DCA has MUCH less low fare competition and is arguably more preferred by the local passenger than LGA.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently onlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9646 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12615 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 12):

You're joking, right? Hand-selecting one's competitors and the amount of competition they can provide is about the most flagrant foul there is in the world of antitrust law.

No what SHOULD have happened is the DOT tell WN to go piss up a rope.....matter of fact the FAA and DOT should not have been in it at all. I'm just waiting for WN sorry butt to ask.....sorry tell..... the DOT that they want LHR/GRU/HND slots and that CO/UA/AA/DL/US will have to give them the aircraft to fly them from. The DOT is the biggest joke ever. (FAA is a close 2nd)


Anyways.......waiting on the AA fans to say that now AA will step in and do the same in 3......2......1.......



yep.
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12612 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
DL and US were not competing on any of the routes we're talking about - would the transaction have affected DCA-PVD passengers, for instance?

They do, but barely. Aside from the Shuttle (where they would have still competed), DL and US competed on about 4 routes out of 50 or so combined from LGA in February 2010: CMH, GSP, IND, and RDU.

US has since cut IND due to intense competition from FL. Not sure about the others.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12599 times:

One more thing...

Quoting ScottB (Reply 20):
It would have increased competition to GRU, but decreased competition to GIG.

I don't know that that's necessarily true - US could have been back in CLT-GIG pretty quickly had they been so inclined since there are non-GRU frequencies available.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12993 times:

Guess this is a Curve ball for Delta as they wanted to be a Winner and NYC Leading Carrier in the New York City Market

25 deltal1011man : Well really it isn't over *yet* What DL/US has done is tell the FAA/DOT they wont do the deal the FAA/DOT said they could.....What they ARE doing is
26 C010T3 : Yes, but three weekly only, for which DL has applied already. IMHO, AA and US should just merge already and shed the excess at LGA.
27 Cubsrule : I was talking about DCA specifically, where I don't think they overlap on any of the relevant routes (and if DL kept CVG-DCA, CVG would have actually
28 Cubsrule : Isn't there another round coming available next year?
29 Post contains images Flighty : Okay, then how does "Anti-Trust immunity" measure up in that regard?
30 C010T3 : No, only with another amendment. That's why DL is do desperate.
31 LipeGIG : Not to Brazil as they already fly there. US is the reason for some good fares to Brazil right now. No, they can't as there's no frequencies available
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : I suppode the all time question that everyone's asking now is "What next?" As I asked earlier, Colgan's LGA base was set to close this year in anticip
33 Cubsrule : How open are the Brasilian authorities to that? I assume the US would take it if the Brasilians offered.
34 OzarkD9S : This boggles my mind. How can US be bleeding money at a premium airport? Wrong planes on the wrong routes. LGA should be a cash cow for US, not a dra
35 yellowtail : I think in the end AA will have to buy out US...whether piecemeal or in its entirety. Hubs at MIA, CLT, PHL, JFK, LGA, ORD, DFW, PHX are not too bad..
36 Indy : The previous administration was so heavily pro business. It is nice that for once an administration stands up for the consumer. All this consolidatio
37 par13del : Where were these bandwagon supporters when WN was trying to get rid of the WA, are we sure WN is behind this? Thta's what I thought, they failed to r
38 MAH4546 : In such a hypothetical, PHX would never survive as an AA hub and I doubt PHL would be more than just a large focus city. And you forget LAX, which AA
39 Cubsrule : How, exactly, would the transaction as DL and US proposed it have harmed consumers?
40 ca2ohHP : Oh PLEASE....business has always run this country to some extent, but this current administration has done absolutely ZERO favors for business. I don
41 Post contains images peanuts : Right on. This may be a bump in the road for US and DL but there is no panic. US will continue to wither away somehow until AA gets involved (and rip
42 Flighty : True, AA is a more valuable company than US, but not drastically. Today, US is worth far more than AA was 1 year ago. ($1.7B vs $1.1B). Granted, they
43 avek00 : Antitrust immunity is irrelevant to the discussion at hands because, as a matter of policy, the USDOT does not extend antitrust immunity for domestic
44 USAirALB : Yeah-I don't know what all the hullabaloo is about. US is getting by, and doesn't seem to be showing any problems. They have improved and are trying
45 deltal1011man : Yes yes and I'm sure AA will get all of US's LGA slots/terminal and wont have to give them anything. We all know the story.
46 Jacobin777 : AA's market cap is about 1.6x > than US market cap. Also, AA has substantially more unencumbered assets than US does. AA has a larger pax base-whi
47 FWAERJ : As of March of this year, we actually borrow more money from Japan than China now, as China sold a big portion of their US government debt. That['s b
48 DFWEagle : I’m a little surprised that they did not go through with the deal anyway, even with the DOT conditions. Delta would have still got 105 slot pairs at
49 Flighty : MDW certainly, maybe some other Midwest stuff, DEN from LGA. And Texas. Some might say Florida, but I am skeptical. WN would prefer the high fare mar
50 apodino : So let me get this straight...DOT would rather have one carrier (WN) take up all the slots in LGA, rather than 4 carriers (WestJet, Spirit, JetBlue, a
51 ca2ohHP : US mainline has a minimum fleet count and re-allocating mainline equipment in an attempt to "make" LGA work would be at the expense of PHX most likel
52 klkla : Compared to last year US stock is up 245% and AA stock is up 55% so there has definitely been more momentum for US. AA is not a candidate to acquire
53 DFWEagle : No, the DOT wanted the slots auctioned off in small individual bundles (4 bundles at LGA and 2 at DCA). It could have been the case that four new car
54 JBAirwaysFan : How is Spirit, a FLL based carrier a threat to DL who also flies LGA-FLL? LGA-SoFla is a very big market.
55 USAirALB : Wow, I didn't know AA was in such bad shape.
56 nwaesc : I believe that's incorrect. Remember, it's the market concentration that the gov't objected to. That wouldn't change under a lease agreement. DL woul
57 MAH4546 : It isn't. Anybody can take select figures and make an airline look bad, as klkla just demonstrated. For example, one could take systemwide domestic y
58 Post contains images par13del : Or the paranoia of legacy management with no vision Most times this site is useful in getting questions and thoughts answered. Cheers
59 ca2ohHP : US leased many of it's DCA slots from NW for years. Nothing is stopping US/DL to lease these slots. Selling them is a different story, as we've witne
60 nwaesc : I know. Again, I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that the objection wasn't to a lease or sale per se, but rather the dominating position it'd
61 Cubsrule : All quite true - but that's completely distinct from competition law. Again, selling any asset to whomever I want does not violate competition law.
62 apodino : Based on what? JetBlue isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Frontier is owned by RAH, and because of other revenue streams, I think they will be kept u
63 klkla : That's a ridiculous statement and either shows your total lack of understanding about business in general or your blind loyalty to AA. Net income has
64 LHCVG : So what is the difference from the governent's point of view? Forgive the dumb question, but I would think that it has the same effect if the seller/
65 BOACCunard : How about AirTran? Alaska? Spirit? Honestly, there are a lot more airlines in the US now than I thought there would be five years ago. What you're en
66 DeltaMD90 : I think MAH4546 is saying that AA has some very strong routes, and if they shed some of the fat, AA would have a very strong base on which to exist.
67 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Cash flow is just as important-allows a company to pay its bills/salaries.. There are other things AA could do (and is doing) to decrease its losses.
68 Post contains images deltal1011man : ....................So WN doing LGA-BWI is more of a threat to DL on LGA-FLL? allllllrighty. Oh really? And just what is he going to do about it? He
69 klkla : True, but the cash flow is not being generated from operations. It's being generated by debt, selling miles to credit card companies, e.t.c.. and is
70 Post contains images commavia : It will be interesting to see how Delta now proceeds if, as is expected (at least by me), they lose this court motion. The JFK terminal thing (T4 I s
71 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Its a momentum stock...I'm not saying its not doing well fundamentally, it might be....now it could be the stock was "undervalued" and now is at "fai
72 LipeGIG : There are two basic questions. First the frequencies, which they do not hold. They can approach UA and talk with them about their 7 unused frequencie
73 deltal1011man : PHX-NRT would have IMO worked. With a good sized US hub plus the ANA hub on the other end Can't really compare PHL-PEK to PHX-NRT.
74 USAirALB : IMO, I'd rather land in CLT at 10 AM then 6 AM. For some reason, the earlier I arrive in the morning, the more exhausted I am. Now, about UA. The rel
75 LipeGIG : You could as well as the ones from CLT, but think about potential connections that will need to take noon or afternoon flights... they will lose the
76 Cubsrule : I think 42 is a sensible number of Brasil frequencies for "new" UA, suggesting an openness to swapping some unrestricted frequencies for GIG frequenc
77 USAirALB : Maybe, but I think there are some P2P flights that will stay. I don't think BUF, PIT, ALB, ROC, LAS, RIC, SYR, and the Maine EAS service will go anyw
78 LipeGIG : "new" UA have more routes from different hubs than any other airline that offer service to Brazil and so far only IAH have two flights. I see chances
79 Cubsrule : Absolutely, but they could fit that operation in UA's current space.
80 jfklganyc : "Five years from now, US Airways will be history, and I believe Frontier, JetBlue and Virgin America will be gone as well, and the U.S. airline market
81 Post contains images deltal1011man : Where in that does he say AA will buy US? and IIRC he said in the B6 thread American or Delta could buy B6.
82 apodino : With the exception of LAS, all the flights you refer to are now primarily express flights, which if memory serves me correctly, use about 4 gates in
83 UALWN : Yawn. US was supposedly dead how many years ago now? B6 gone? Where? Frontier gone? After being bought by Republic? With LH's permission?
84 Cubsrule : I suspect IAD-GIG will move to EWR and operate year round and daily or close to it, but I don't see much more expansion at GIG beyond that. Can the C
85 deltal1011man : LH doesn't own nor control B6......IIRC they don't even have anyone sitting on the bored. I'm not sure how it works, but I don't believe LH can do an
86 gaystudpilot : - DL will purchase AS - oneworld and SkyTeam will merge and become oneSky - DL and AA will merge, with divestitures - B6 and VX will merge - the new
87 Post contains images deltal1011man : agree agree.......not sure about the name tho. Wont happen, but i would love to see a codeshare. B6 will go to DL or AA, VX will die........maybe mer
88 apodino : I can't imagine that regulators in the US would actually allow everything you state to happen. In your scenario, that only leaves 3 or 4 airlines lef
89 deltal1011man : They wont be stopped. which will be a good thing.
90 gaystudpilot : At least six carriers. In the scenario I paint, there will be four relatively healthy carriers: - DL - B6/VX - WN - UA Competition will remain. WN an
91 UALWN : I don't know if they are bored of not, but I'm pretty sure that LH being the largest minority owner of B6 (at 19%), they do have a saying on who sits
92 STT757 : They do have board seats.
93 AAExecPlat : In your dreams, amigo. US won't liquidate, AA and DL will never merge, not even with divestitures. OW and SKY will not merge either. What happens wit
94 Post contains images gaystudpilot : No en mis suenos mi amigo. Sera realidad. Should we assign some dates and put some dinero on it?
95 BOACCunard : If AA and DL merged, the resulting airline would be called American. But it's not going to happen.
96 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I think if all the US airlines merged into one (which would never happen but just saying) AA would be the surviving name. It would be interesting to
97 deltal1011man : No they don't. Because you own 20% of a company doesn't mean you get 51% of the vote. LH does not have 51% of the BOD vote.
98 OA412 : Perhaps not, but that would be one hell of a formidable competitor if they were to merge. Think about it, a merged AA and DL under the AA name (yes I
99 STT757 : NWA owned one voting share in CO that had the ability to block mergers and accuasitions, so 20% of an airline can be even more powerful depending on
100 Post contains images OA412 : That comparison is only relevant if LH's share in B6 is similarly restrictive. Given that foreign carriers can only gain a small minority share in US
101 Post contains images deltal1011man : What are you talking about? again WTH are you talking about? Read what OA412 said. Bring on the cool-aid. Star and CO are just the best, OA4 you shou
102 STT757 : DL and Skyteam being the weakest competitors in the largest trans-Atlantic market. The inability of DL to acquire B6 for the sake of growing their NY
103 deltal1011man : And Star is a close number two. Oneworld is kicking the crap out of Star and Sky in LON, but what does that to do with anything World.....I mean STT.
104 AAExecPlat : Since I am saying these three events are not happening, I guess that means you'd have to put dates on it, and I am happy to make this interesting. Ag
105 AAExecPlat : Of course...that would be a juggernaught. But that's precisely why they will never merge. Congress is peeing its pants because of the CO/UA merger an
106 LipeGIG : Lets move back to Delta/US Drop Planned Slot Swap, please. It just depends on how the city continues to grow and attract business, Cubsrule, as well a
107 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked as it contains an amount of rule-violating posts that renders the thread unrecoverable. Please note that all posts added af
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