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Aeroflot To Buy 11 More Airbus A330-300  
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13707 times:

I only have this German source:

http://de.rian.ru/business/20100705/126985851.html

Cites SU's press office as the original source. Board of directors approved the purchase. Delivery 2011-2013.

SU already has 10 A330s, (5 each of A332 and A333).




Congrats to SU and Airbus.

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User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13604 times:

This is interesting. The first 10 330's were leased to provide interim lift.

It looks like a 787 customer is ordering more interim lift. That said, I am not sure whether they ordered 788's or 789s.

They got early delivery! Didn't know that A330 delivery slots for next year were available.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13280 times:
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Quoting Swallow (Reply 1):
It looks like a 787 customer is ordering more interim lift. That said, I am not sure whether they ordered 788's or 789s.

787-8s.

They are also an A350-800 and A350-900 customer.


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13227 times:

I'd say it was expected.
If they have 22 Boeing-787 and 22 Airbus-350 on order they should build a completely new long-haul strategy.
With 20 A-332/333 they can start doing work.
Though I have no idea what SU plans for long-haul expansion are.
A bit enigmatic for me.


User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13084 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12593 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12999 times:

The title is slightly misleading, as these will be the first A330-300s in the SU fleet.

It's quite ironic that, with the exception of the 747 and L1011, SU has operated (or will operate) almost every widebody jet ever built:

DC10 and MD11 - cargo division
IL86 and IL96
767-300
A310
777
A330
A350
787

Quite a record!

Quoting Swallow (Reply 4):
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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
The title is slightly misleading, as these will be the first A330-300s in the SU fleet.

They already have five.

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Aeroflot-active-a330.htm


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8034 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12852 times:

So what routes are the SU A333's being used on? Primarily flights from SVO to western European cities?

User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12707 times:

5300NM's range from SVO..

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=&R=5300nm%40svo%0d%0a&MS=wls&MR=1800&MX=720x360&PM=*


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12616 times:

SU obviously has business plan for expansion.
But so far it was not revealed.
Having in mind that SU doesn't make experiments as UN, they should have something in the pocket...
Perhaps our friend Aeroflot777 has sources to tell us?

Besides the idea of turning SVO into transfer hub - I have no other ideas.
I just don't see any new routes to add.
All traditional destinations are in good shape.
But new ones?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12513 times:
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An A333 for Aeroflot is just so neat , its 10 hours fom everything. Tokyo, JFK, Bangkok and YYZ are all about teh same flying time from Mother Moscow.

User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12419 times:

This is correct. But all of those routes have been existing for years.
But if they get 20 a-332/333 - and later the fleet will have 44 wide-bodies there should be some plan for expansion?!


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12411 times:
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I saw Aeroflot's A330-200 at LAX during the LAX airliners convention. It's pretty nice!

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4847 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12411 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):
An A333 for Aeroflot is just so neat , its 10 hours fom everything. Tokyo, JFK, Bangkok and YYZ are all about teh same flying time from Mother Moscow.

A 333 is also a very big plane for SU to use on a vast majority of its routes except probably for JFK !

The capacity on board an A 332 SU should have stuck with and based its long haul fleet around that aircraft type and in the future replace it with B 789s.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12371 times:
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Quoting behramjee (Reply 13):
A 333 is also a very big plane for SU to use on a vast majority of its routes except probably for JFK !

Not so sure about that. They evidently loved their 77Es, it's just they didn't have enough. So I could easily see SU loving their A333s, finding they don't have enough of them, either, and working a deal with Airbus to address that.  


User currently offlinesevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12326 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 7):
So what routes are the SU A333's being used on?

PEK, VVO, JFK, NRT, AYT currently see the A333.



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9760 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 13):
A 333 is also a very big plane for SU to use on a vast majority of its routes except probably for JFK !

Is it?
Transaero uses 747s and T7s, so why should SU not being able to fill an A333?

I guess we can expect this to be officially announced at the big show later this month.  



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12935 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9374 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 8):
5300NM's range from SVO..
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):
An A333 for Aeroflot is just so neat , its 10 hours fom everything. Tokyo, JFK, Bangkok and YYZ are all about teh same flying time from Mother Moscow.

So maybe someday SU will be the EK of the North!



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2773 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9345 times:
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I know this is not really related to the topic so sorry.
I flew Aeroflot LCA-SVO-BEG two years ago and on the LCA-SVO leg it was an A-320, I remember they had some disgusting cheap looking blue seats that seemed like plastic. Do they still have those or have they changed them?
Thanks


User currently offlineYYZALA From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9013 times:

An interesting thing to note, is the fact that they have 11 767s. Two of those birds were built in 1991, one in 1996 and the rest around 1999. While the first 10 A330s were used as interim lift, I'd think that these new orders are to replace the 767s. The only place that needs the range of 767s is HAV and LAX, which at the moment are being flown by A332 anyways... However, if the planes are used for further interim lift then it would be logical for SU to use these planes on Asia and charter routes. Regardless, I hope the article is true and congratulations to Aeroflot  

User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1735 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8783 times:

Quoting Swallow (Reply 4):
Happy A.net birthday Stitch!

Thanks for your invaluable contributions to this board

I second!


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3015 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 3):
I'd say it was expected.
If they have 22 Boeing-787 and 22 Airbus-350 on order they should build a completely new long-haul strategy.
With 20 A-332/333 they can start doing work.

Great point, pylon101! The strategy does indeed have to be formed sometime relatively soon. Time is passing and opportunities are to be had. Because the ordered planes aren't arriving that soon, this A333 order comes at a great time for them to start the gradual expansion that will be continued once the 787/350s roll in. Likewise, the expanded capacity will offer them some more revenue on high capacity flights.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
The title is slightly misleading, as these will be the first A330-300s in the SU fleet.

Incorrect.

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 9):
SU obviously has business plan for expansion.
But so far it was not revealed.
Having in mind that SU doesn't make experiments as UN, they should have something in the pocket...
Perhaps our friend Aeroflot777 has sources to tell us?

I know that when SU was still in the SFO market, they were in relatively close contact with the Consulate General. Aeroflot had its own ticketing office here in the city centre (I don't even want to know how much the rent there cost, because it was literally in prime location on Union Square). After SFO service, and ultimately SEA, was cancelled the ticket office remained open for a longer than a year. When the ticketing office was finally closed, the workers (some of them good acquaintances of ours), were told that SU needs to go through some serious re-branding to lift it's corporate image. They were told that SU, once the re-branding and fleet strategy was complete, would first think about returning to it's previously served markets - since the niches were there. The ultimate reason they left most of the cities was because of improper fleet utilization. This leads me to believe that with the onset of 787/350 a/c we might see the return of some markets that were withdrawn a few years ago. After all the important markets are returned they will probably continue to expand to new frontiers - this might also be done simultaneously. However, regarding these promises and plans, I wonder how much of them have changed with SU's entrance into SkyTeam - since many markets are now easily covered by DL.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 13):
A 333 is also a very big plane for SU to use on a vast majority of its routes except probably for JFK !

The capacity on board an A 332 SU should have stuck with and based its long haul fleet around that aircraft type and in the future replace it with B 789s.

What makes you say this? Most key SU flights leave full at peak periods. The reason larger aircraft (B772ER) didn't work was lack of fleet commonality - NOT capacity. There are plenty of markets that are in need of larger aircraft. Asia gets quite a lot of them.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 18):
I flew Aeroflot LCA-SVO-BEG two years ago and on the LCA-SVO leg it was an A-320, I remember they had some disgusting cheap looking blue seats that seemed like plastic. Do they still have those or have they changed them?
Thanks

It's funny you say that. Those seats are actually the reason a lot of people prefer to fly SU within Europe compared to competition. I'm trying to pull up the articles, but there were some published saying that this particular seat wins amongst European carriers for comfort. Secondly, SU's business class on the A320 family is also rated well, with seats bigger and more comfortable than competition. Not being bias, I prefer SU's "cheap" seat to comparable flights that I've taken on BA, CSA, AF, and KL.

Quoting YYZALA (Reply 19):
While the first 10 A330s were used as interim lift, I'd think that these new orders are to replace the 767s.

That's an interesting thought... Haven't thought of that myself, especially since SU's CEO said the A332 and A333 will be used for a little while until the rest of the 44 long-haulers arrive. But with this new addition of another 11 A333s you very well might be right. The B763s cover a specific niche, so there will have to be some restructuring if they indeed will be replaced by the new birds.

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User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1662 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7956 times:

Correct me if I am wrong here,but I would have thought the the 330's would be doing quite a different job from 788's,358's and9's.The latter 3 all excell over longer distances and the 788 is also considerably smaller in terms of pax.The 333's I imagine are purely for their mid range high density routes - although I have no knowledge of their existing or planned route structure.

Indeed I am not sure whether any of the new aircraft beat the very latest versions of 333's in this (med range /high density) role as they are not designed to optimise against it.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3015 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

Quoting parapente (Reply 22):
Correct me if I am wrong here,but I would have thought the the 330's would be doing quite a different job from 788's,358's and9's.

Well... theoretically, they are supposed to only be part of the fleet until the new 44 long-haulers arrive. So they weren't really originally meant to compliment each other, but rather substitute for now. With this new order, things might change.


User currently offlinesevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7669 times:

Quoting YYZALA (Reply 19):
While the first 10 A330s were used as interim lift, I'd think that these new orders are to replace the 767s.

This is correct.



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25 pylon101 : Those leatherette seats...Really some people like them in Y, a smaller number hate them. I have contradictory feelings. They appear to be very comfy -
26 RJ111 : If you don't need the range of the A332 though, the A333 offers almost free extra capacity.
27 sankaps : I think the general plan might be to use the A330-200s for the more business-oriented long haul routes and routes that need the extra range, and the A
28 aviationbuff : As reported by Flight Aeroflot board approves acquisition of 11 A330s Congrats to Aeroflot and Airbus. Right aircraft right now .... delivery in 2011-
29 B738FlyUIA : It's really great news for Airbus and Aeroflot. Congratulation They will also increase the capacy of each aircraft that will be delivered vs. the B767
30 laca773 : As I remember seeing here on A.net, SU's 330 fleet do not have the leatherette seats but instead are done in a cloth type fabric and are a some type
31 ju068 : Well I flew on them only once as from Moscow to Belgrade was the beautiful Tu-154. Anyway the whole flight I had two drunk guys from the Russian emba
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