FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5668 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11978 times:
Allegiant does not expect to start operating them until eraly 2011. I'm hoping more info is provided in the earnings conference call later this month, 3 months ago the guidance was they awee still in the process of getting government approval to operate the type. Their planned schedule then was an OK from the FAA on manuals for 757s in late Q3/early Q4 followed by employee training and proving runs
In terms of cities, they still say no existing competition on planned routes, that same statement is in the most recent presentations they have given to investors last month. So it appears the plan is still to operate from secondary mainland airports.
Allegiant currently says 2 of the 757s will enter service in 2011, 2 in 2012, and 2 in 2013. So I expect the first year will likely start with something like 3 to 6 cities to Hawaii.
[Edited 2010-07-05 12:39:39]
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F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4739 posts, RR: 30 Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11806 times:
Are there any pictures of these birds yet? Are they painted yet?
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 563 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11736 times:
I am going to make a prediction. The 757s will enter service in 2011, but they won't fly to Hawaii initially - as ETOPs will take them longer to obtain than currently planned (reference America West and Alaska). Hawaii no earlier than Summer 2011.
ba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8267 posts, RR: 56 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11707 times:
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 2):
Are there any pictures of these birds yet? Are they painted yet?
- They have yet to be delivered so not really possible at this stage.
I'm not sure we have found the source of the birds yet, I wonder, could they be former Finnair machines? - the time line works as they come off lease.........
web500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 588 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11705 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 1): In terms of cities, they still say no existing competition on planned routes, that same statement is in the most recent presentations they have given to investors last month. So it appears the plan is still to operate from secondary mainland airports.
id be surprised if there was... knowing the type of airline allegient is, it would probally be SMF-KOA...
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11660 times:
The planes are former Thomsonfly.
I found a pic from January of 902 painted white, but can't find anything on 901.
According to CH-Fleets,
N901NV (N963BV) is stored at Jacksonville (NCA)
N902NV (N964BV is stored at Everett (PAE)
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11614 times:
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 5): id be surprised if there was... knowing the type of airline allegient is, it would probally be SMF-KOA...
I want to see their first Hawaii route be from their original home city.
FAT-HNL
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ba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8267 posts, RR: 56 Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11586 times:
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 6): The planes are former Thomsonfly
- Thanks for the clarity on this, that too makes sense.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5668 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11579 times:
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 4): I'm not sure we have found the source of the birds yet, I wonder, could they be former Finnair machines? - the time line works as they come off lease.........
Allegiant did not disclose the operator they are buying from other that to say it was a European airline (all from the same source).
But they did disclose the following:
**RB211-535E4 engines (I think that eliminates Finnair)
**Average age of the 6 aircraft is 17 years old
**Average number of cycles is 19,000 as of June 2009
A little more 757 info G4 recently revealed in presentations:
**Allegiant will reconfigure them to 215 seats
**Expect an average in-service cost of $14 million per 757 (the MDs are currently a $4 million in-service cost)
They also are reporting the current G4 customer base demographics as:
**Mean income over $104,000/year
**Mean age of 49
**84% of passengers own their home
**73% of passengers are married
**53% of passengers are professional/managerial/clerical job holders
Those look like favorable demographics for Allegiant to base Hawaii packages around.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11459 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9): **RB211-535E4 engines (I think that eliminates Finnair)
**Average age of the 6 aircraft is 17 years old
That fits right in with Thomson,
G-BYAD (N901NV)
Line 26963 / 450
Rolls Royce RB211-535E4
delivered to Britannia 5-6-92
G-BYAE (N902NV)
Line 26964 / 452
Rolls Royce RB211-535E4
delivered to Britannia 5-12-92
n7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1495 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11410 times:
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 3): I am going to make a prediction. The 757s will enter service in 2011, but they won't fly to Hawaii initially - as ETOPs will take them longer to obtain than currently planned (reference America West and Alaska). Hawaii no earlier than Summer 2011.
I believe to earn ETOPS you have to demonstrate compliance for upwards of 6 months, if not longer. So yes, Allegiant has mentioned that these -57's will be doing some non-Hawaii runs out of the box. But they should also be flying trial runs well before the schedule service begins.
CitrusCritter From Palau, joined May 2007, 1072 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11207 times:
Is there any indication as yet whether G4 will operate to HNL only, to another airport (KOA, OGG etc.?) only, or to a variety based on the demand from the mainland? Also, any possibility that there could be ANC during the summer?
7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 632 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10963 times:
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 5): N902NV (N964BV is stored at Everett (PAE)
@ PAE - currently getting winglets.
Will then need a heavy check/bridge check to G4's Mx. program.
Tan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1847 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10854 times:
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 7): I want to see their first Hawaii route be from their original home city.
FAT-HNL
Second on that!!
Perhaps the first 2 birds might be in service in time for the holiday football bowl charters?
What would be the range (westbound) on these birds?
I'd suggest some former hubs might see this hawaii service..such as STL, MCI...as well as cities like DSM, and others that have those type of demographics.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22070 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10833 times:
Quoting n7371f (Reply 11): I believe to earn ETOPS you have to demonstrate compliance for upwards of 6 months, if not longer.
You can piggy back off some else's authorized ETOPS program. That is what Hawaiian did with its 767 fleet from day 1.
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thefuture From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10714 times:
Once G4 start flying to Hawaii, Australians might fly them more often. Eg. Australians may have enough frequent flyer points/miles to get from Australia to HNL but not enough to mainland.
(am aware of quite a few Australians who fly Allegiant especially to ports in Colorado in winter from LAX & LAS)
Same could also apply to US citizens wanting to go to Australia, but who might like a stop in Hawaii.
mccarranmgr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9551 times:
Quoting n7371f (Reply 11): 57's will be doing some non-Hawaii runs out of the box.
All of 57's are currently scheduled to touch LAS before going into Hawaii service. They are to run service upgrades when passenger counts warrant it. We are expecting the first ones next month.
n7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1495 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9511 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15): You can piggy back off some else's authorized ETOPS program. That is what Hawaiian did with its 767 fleet from day 1.
I'd be interested to hear how that went...because my friends at NW and AS didn't have it nearly that easy. It probably helped that HA previously flew islands-mainland even though they were 3-holers? AS had to run months on end of proving with the 738 to get ETOPS.
7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 632 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9220 times:
Quoting n7371f (Reply 18): I'd be interested to hear how that went
They partnered with Delta for that.
The Airbus are one step further ... they are on the Delta Maintenance program.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22070 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9166 times:
Quoting n7371f (Reply 18): I'd be interested to hear how that went...because my friends at NW and AS didn't have it nearly that easy. It probably helped that HA previously flew islands-mainland even though they were 3-holers? AS had to run months on end of proving with the 738 to get ETOPS.
Yes when HA went from the DC-10 to the 767, it was based on Delta's ETOPS program and experience to allow them to fly to the mainland from day one. HA had also pursued a deal with AA (HA had close dealing with AA as DC-10 fleet was mostly ex AA birds with AA still providing support, plus lots of IT stuff(Sabre)), but at the end they made a deal with DL instead.
As 7673Mech states for the A330 is indeed even one step forward with the HA birds being incorporated into the Delta maintenance program as if they were DL birds.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
pilotntrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8627 times:
I hope they take better care of the 57 than the maddog. I have never seen an airline have more RTF's then this "airline."
MrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1203 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8074 times:
Quoting 7673mech (Reply 19): they are on the Delta Maintenance program.
Indeed they are.. right down to the fleet's sparing.
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25 bjorn14: It could be but it's not G4's style to add tag ons and there is HA flying LAS-HNL 3x daily which in G4's book is way too much competition. I think CO
26 n901wa: About the the HAL 767 etops piggyback program on Delta's 767 etops program. I was invloved with some of the ironing out of the paperwork between HAL a
27 enilria: One of the Allegiant training staff told me that they will "do long transcons for several months before the Hawaii deployment".
28 A380fo: Yup, that is exactly what I heard, routes with long transcons for training for crews and what not, then going to Hawaii
29 thefuture: COS/HNL is a long sector for a 752. Could a 752 with full load do it ?
30 MCOflyer: Yes as COS-HNL is only 3356 miles. Many 757 routes are longer like EWR-BCN at 3848 miles. KH
31 LAXintl: Keep in mind, CO does this with a relative spacious ~170 seat configuration, not a cattle car express like Allegiant will have. Also CO birds are all
32 jeb94: I'm pretty sure winglets will be on these aircraft. As far as range goes it'll be all about the weight with so many passengers and the length of the r
33 n7371f: I believe UA has run a 757 from DEN to KOA before. Correct me if I'm wrong.
34 Spacepope: That's a good question, what's the range with full seats of a 752 taking off from COS on a day like last week at 95 degrees?
35 SurfandSnow: I don't know if DEN-KOA was/is? operated by a 757 or 767, but I know they have done DEN-LIH on a 752! Boy that'd be a loooooooong flight in a spartan
36 iowaman: Not saying anyone is lying on here, but I find this very hard to believe. Most of the secondary cities they fly to in the mid-west don't even have ha
37 sldispatcher: I'm going to guess SHV will be one of those spots. Or perhaps some of the Dakota places. And I'd definitely stick one on Bellingham just for increase
38 mccarranmgr: Currently the 57's will not be on scheduled service runs. They will be used as capacity upgrades when passenger counts dictate them. These will be mi
39 SurfandSnow: Yes, but Allegiant also serves some very wealthy locales (MRY, RDM, BZN), some fairly large markets like GSO, COS, and GRR, major Canadian cities (Va
40 FWAERJ: Will the capacity upgrades to 757s be from LAS only?
41 kgaiflyer: Excuse me? Allegiant city -- MRY [that is Monterey, Carmel, Carmel Valley, Salinas, Marina, Pacific Grove, Pebble Beach] -- is probably 4-5 times tha
42 thefuture: yes but how many passengers & was it weight restricted ? (how many seats on those US 752's ?) Hey it could be spin, but very hard to disprove + p
43 okie: Since G4 does not have any freight contracts that I am aware of to HNL/KOA then you would suspect there would be few restrictions with SLF and bags.
44 mccarranmgr: As it stands now yes for the initial 60-90 days.
45 iowaman: While I agree that MRY is a wealthy area, the majority of Allegiant cities are still in the midwest.
46 LAXintl: Today there was a slight hint about Hawaii markets, and ruling out service from Vegas “If you take a look at the West Coast and from the Rockies wes
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