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Air Canada/Middle East Airlines Launch Codeshare  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5496 times:

Air Canada and Middle East Airlines (MEA) have launched a codeshare agreement.

Air Canada will place its code on MEA's BEY-LHR and BEY-GVA services.

MEA will meanwhile place its code on Air Canada's YUL-GVA, YYC-LHR, YEG-LHR, YHZ-LHR, YUL-LHR, YOW-LHR, YYZ-LHR, and YVR-LHR services.

http://airlineroute.net/2010/07/06/acme-codeshare/


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

Weird stuff. My impression is that with ME's agreement with AF/KL, they would expand codesharing with SkyTeam partners. With this move, it is clear that SkyTeam is not moving fast enough to bring ME into the fold.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

A codeshare is better than nothing, but I still believe AC want to get into BEY with their own metal. The Lebanese community in Montreal is fairly substantial.


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User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

A couple of years ago, Air Canada was granted rights into Beirut. Just days away from starting their new Montreal - Beirut service, their licence was revoked. Word is, a foreign government was not pleased with this service and (behind the scenes) asked the Canadian government to revoke the licence.

Air Canada would definitely like to start their own service into Beirut...


User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 276 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5031 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):

A lot of airlines code share with partners outside their respective alliances: AF and QF on France to Australia.
On another note France as well as Germany do not allow code sharing with an airline different than destination country. This is why this code share agreement serves GVA and LHR only.

Good Luck to AC and MEA   


User currently offlinelychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Even with no code share many were connecting at GVA between AC and MEA. Maybe this will reduce the fares?

User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

I do not think Star Alliance has anything to gain with MEA in Star, especially with the proximity of Turkish Airlines and Egyptair, so I think this is pure business.
However if Star had something planned then wouldn't this be a good moment? As I recall didn't MEA refuse to give up it's Cedar Miles programme for Air France's?
Anyway like I said, probably just business.


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 6):
As I recall didn't MEA refuse to give up it's Cedar Miles programme for Air France's?

Yes but Skyteam just suppressed the "associate member" status (this status implied to use the FFP of one of the Skyteam airline). So MEA can now join Skyteam and keep its FFP

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 4):
On another note France as well as Germany do not allow code sharing with an airline different than destination country. This is why this code share agreement serves GVA and LHR only.

I don't know for Germany but this is not true for France. By example all AA flights CDG-USA are code-shared with Gulf Air, El Al and also VN until a few weeks ago (before they joined Skyteam).
I think AC routes to CDG are not concerned only because MEA code-shares with AF exclusively on CDG-Canada routes


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

This makes sense. Already BD interlines with AC on Canada-LHR-BEY routes. Having ME and AC codeshare will increase the options available.
However, it does bring up the question of ME and Skyteam. I personally feel that ME would be a great benefit to Skyteam, and would simultaneously grow as an airline. Skyteam lacks a member between Europe and Asia, and the ME has a reasonable regional and European network which is growing in size. ME may as well focus on codesharing with partners who complement their network even if they're *A. I really do hope that ST makes an announcement regarding ME's future.


User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 276 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 7):

If code sharing was allowed in France with a carrier from a different carrier than departure (E.U) and destination airport; AF and MEA should have code shared on France - Canada.
I believe this AC ME code share is purely a commercial deal that will benefit both carriers, and allow them to control the massive YUL/YYZ/YOW/YHZ/YCC/YEG/YVR - BEY market. This will not impact MEA's solid relationship with AF and their long awaited SkyTeam "Full" Membership.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Quoting directorguy (Reply 8):
Skyteam lacks a member between Europe and Asia

What part of Asia are you referring to? Nine of the 12 SkyTeam members operate between Europe and Asia.


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 9):
If code sharing was allowed in France with a carrier from a different carrier than departure (E.U) and destination airport;

What about the concrete examples I gave you in my post ?


User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 276 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 11):

I'm not doubting your info.

Quoting goldorak (Reply 7):
because MEA code-shares with AF exclusively on CDG-Canada routes

AF/MEA only code share on BEY-CDG-BEY route. On North America it's just a sales cooperation.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
What part of Asia are you referring to? Nine of the 12 SkyTeam members operate between Europe and Asia.

I'm referring to the fact that ST has no member with a hub situated between Europe and Asia. No member in North Africa, the Middle East and they only expanded their presence in S.E. Asia only recently. Quite a gap that needs to be filled.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Not sure if SkyTeam is much of a priority for MEA anymore. I know they are adamant on signing a codeshare agreement with a U.S. carrier now.


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 12):
AF/MEA only code share on BEY-CDG-BEY route. On North America it's just a sales cooperation

You are right. My mistake  


User currently offlineyenne09 From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

The problem for Air Canada is that the federal government doesn't want to see Air Canada to the Middle-East or any arab country including North Africa. On the opposite, Royal Jordanian, Air Algerie, Royal Air Maroc and soon Tunisair, are serving Montreal. Emirates is serving Toronto with the A380. It's question of ...... security!!!!!!!.

User currently offlineramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

I think this is a great step for MEA and AC both. Doubt MEA is as interested in SkyTeam at the moment... codesares to North America are much better for them and their passengers. I am actually curious to see Air France's response incase (which is unlikely) they lose connecting traffic due to this codeshare.

Well done for both, hopefully this is the first of many North American codeshares for MEA.



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User currently offlineramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

I think this is a great step for MEA and AC both. Doubt MEA is as interested in SkyTeam at the moment... codesares to North America are much better for them and their passengers. I am actually curious to see Air France's response incase (which is unlikely) they lose connecting traffic due to this codeshare.

Well done for both, hopefully this is the first of many North American codeshares for MEA.



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User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting yenne09 (Reply 16):
Royal Jordanian, Air Algerie, Royal Air Maroc and soon Tunisair

thats what I am saying!!! Hopefully when AC gets there 787's it will change, would love to see those routes on AC metal also, is there enough demand for 2 carriers in those markets does anyone know?


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Quoting ewrkid (Reply 19):
thats what I am saying!!! Hopefully when AC gets there 787's it will change, would love to see those routes on AC metal also, is there enough demand for 2 carriers in those markets does anyone know?

It should and better if AC wants to expand into pretty much gimme markets such as YYZ-India.

They could do YUL-BEY now with a 763 as they do YYZ-TLV with one and the issue mainly is security and for the cynic our neighbor to the south will be unhappy and that is the speculated reason that this YUL-BEY was pulled back in 2003.



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User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Quoting yenne09 (Reply 16):
Emirates is serving Toronto with the A380.

The A380 on this route is strictly a PR move by EK. Put a big plane on the route to make it look like the demand is there because they want to add more routes into Canada. In reality there's only about 50 to 70 seats difference between the B777-300ER and the A380, depending on the class.


User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 20):
They could do YUL-BEY now with a 763 as they do YYZ-TLV with one and the issue mainly is security and for the cynic our neighbor to the south will be unhappy and that is the speculated reason that this YUL-BEY was pulled back in 2003.

I know I know its terrible they couldn't start it as I'm sure it would have been atleast 2x daily cause there is a large lebanese population in montreal, But I meant maybe by the time the 787's arrive for AC the situation might change who knows...


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 4):

On another note France as well as Germany do not allow code sharing with an airline different than destination country. This is why this code share agreement serves GVA and LHR only.

Any such restrictions have been overwritten by the new Canada-EU open skies agreement.


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 4):
On another note France as well as Germany do not allow code sharing with an airline different than destination country.

Where did you get this ?

DL has a code share on many of AF's CDG-Africa flights.
MK codshares on AF's CDG-MAD-CDG and several other European destinations ...
JL codeshares on AF's flights CDG-BCN, DUS, CPH, MUC, ARN, HAM, WAW ...

etc ...


25 cslusarc : Doesn't this third country codeshare nonsense mean that JL couldn't place its code on IB-operated flights beyond CDG to Spain?
26 Raffik : I'm sorry, but there are some pretty large international airlines operating into Beirut so I wouldn't say that security is as bad as the Americans ma
27 ewrkid : Yes I would have love to hear that conversation between the US,Canada and AC.
28 StarAC17 : That was around 2002-2003 ish so things might be different now on whether or not the service will be allowed in the near future, also AC possibly is
29 Raffik : The firsts flights should have gone ahead in 2003, a long time before the Israel/Lebanon war started. I think they reapplied in May 2006 to serve the
30 ewrkid : Yes, I still believe that is one of the main reasons driving demand on the YUL-GVA
31 yegbey01 : Don't be surprised if they extend this codeshare to the BRU-BEY route which is supposedly going year round on MEA. Personally, I think it's great for
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