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The (temporary?) End Of Iran Air In The EU?  
User currently offlineTravelAVNut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1670 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-bans-iran-air-a320s-and-747s.html

"European safety authorities have expanded the operating restrictions imposed on Iran Air to include a ban on allowing the carrier's Airbus A320s, Boeing 727s and 747s to operate within the European Union."

...

"The Commission adds that it will "continue to closely monitor the performance of the airline through the results of ramp checks of its aircraft which can operate in the EU."


Does this mean the end of Iran Air operations in Europe? Or will they continue using only the A300/A310?


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User currently offlineLAXorLGWonDL From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

I just saw this on CNN, as well. I think it's also important to note that other carriers have been put on this list, as well as taken off of it. Not to get political, but, with recent sanctions against Iran, many may falsely perceive that (versus air safety) as the reason for Iran Air being placed on this list. I'm all for aviation safety and efforts to make folks safer in the skies or on the ground.

Does Iran have the capacity to fix these a/c?



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11719 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

Quoting LAXorLGWonDL (Reply 1):
Does Iran have the capacity to fix these a/c?

They are very industrious in making their own spares. I expect the lack of formal certification for these is part of the reason for their banning - even if they are exact copies.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

I didn't expect Iran to make their own spares to circumvent US/EU sanctions. That's pretty low, as Iran keeps complaining that they can't get F-14 Tomcat spares from us because of the sanctions, while they can make their own A320, 727, and 747 spares.

Why couldn't they just buy IL-96s and TU-214s? Iran has been working with Russia, and the Russian planes would likely be sanctions-exempt.

[Edited 2010-07-06 08:17:53]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Well the A300/A310s are not on the list and have been operating much of the European flying anyhow so I suspect of they can get fuel, things will operate close to normal.


I suppose the under the table support KLM/Lufthansa have long provided IR with its 747 fleet might have ended also which makes their upkeep harder and further pushed the EU ban along.



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User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

I'm really glad that I recently landed at Hamburg (HAM) in time for watching and hearing EP-IAC (747SP), her push back and take off.

User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

I can understand banning the 727 and 747. Where they not banned already, they are the old models and are too noisyto comply with current legislation. I don´t understand why the A320 is banned though. These are the most modern planes in Iran.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Here is IR's current published EU schedule:

IKA-AMS 2x 313
IKA-AMS 2x AB6
IKA-CGN 2x 320
IKA-CPH 1x 313
IKA-FRA 5x AB6
IKA-GVA 1x 313
IKA-GOT 1x 747
IKA-HAM 2x AB6
IKA-HAM 1x 74L
IKA-LHR 4x 747
IKA-MXP 1x 320
IKA-ORY 2x AB6
IKA-ORY 1x 313
IKA-FCO 1x 313
IKA-ARN 1x AB6
IKA-ARN 1x 313
IKA-VIE 2x 320

MHD-FRA 2x AB6

THR-FRA 3x 74F



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12598 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Not the best week in IR history. They have operated A300s to LHR for a while. Mahan Air has recently taken delivery of new A300-600s, so maybe IR can acquire some "newish" AB6s. It will mean a considerable capacity cutback, but there aren't too many options open to them.

User currently offlineTravelAVNut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1670 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

Some background information:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...tres-on-mro-and-airworthiness.html

Ramp check results from Iran Air's A320s are "noticeably worse" than those for other aircraft in the airline's fleet.
Assessment of the airline's operations has shown that the A320 fleet maintenance system "failed to ensure that deferred items had been rectified in the specified timescales".
No flight-data monitoring has been carried out on the A320 fleet while the rate of data-gathering on other aircraft has been "very low", the Commission adds: "Moreoverthe company is failing to address the basics in terms of the continued airworthiness of its aircraft."



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3024 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

...and I was wondering why all of a sudden the B747SP shows up in IST instead of the usual A300/A310

User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3656 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
They are very industrious in making their own spares.
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
Iran keeps complaining that they can't get F-14 Tomcat spares from us because of the sanctions, while they can make their own A320, 727, and 747 spares.

Have one of you ever found any bogus part that came from an Iranian aircraft ?



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User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
IKA-AMS 2x 313
IKA-AMS 2x AB6
IKA-CGN 2x 320
IKA-CPH 1x 313
IKA-FRA 5x AB6
IKA-GVA 1x 313
IKA-GOT 1x 747

In july last year the average number of pax on the GOT flights stood at 354, so I thought it was weird to suddenly see them operate an AB6 last monday. And as the AB6 cannot hold that number, this has to mean that passengers are rebooked onto other flights?

//Alex



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Here is IR's current published EU schedule:

IKA-AMS 2x 313
IKA-AMS 2x AB6
IKA-CGN 2x 320
IKA-CPH 1x 313
IKA-FRA 5x AB6
IKA-GVA 1x 313
IKA-GOT 1x 747
IKA-HAM 2x AB6
IKA-HAM 1x 74L
IKA-LHR 4x 747
IKA-MXP 1x 320
IKA-ORY 2x AB6
IKA-ORY 1x 313
IKA-FCO 1x 313
IKA-ARN 1x AB6
IKA-ARN 1x 313
IKA-VIE 2x 320

MHD-FRA 2x AB6

How exciting! It's not often you get to see (let alone ride on) A300s, A310s, or 747 classics anymore  .



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Iran Air did an outstanding job to maintain their 747s under the long existing ban on the country. I flew an SP and the 741 about 5 years ago and they appeared to be well kept, no rattles, no loose parts. Its sad if their SPs are now banned from Europe as they are the last airline worldwide to opearted this cute aircraft. The A300 alone wont be able to take over.

Its interesting to see how Mahan Air is doing in comparison. They have just aquired some of LHs younger A300-600s, and they are flying 744s. Mahan has a more modern fleet than the flag carrier.


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