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Air Traffic Delays In Europe : Figures  
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

A survey made by the AEA & Eurocontrol is showing interesting figures about the delays in Europe Air Traffic (LCC are not concerned by the survey) :

European National Airlines with the highest rate of flights delayed (% of flight delayed) :

1- Turkish Airlines 36,4 %
2- Alitalia 26%
3- Cyprus Airways 24%
4- AeroSvit (Ukraine)
5- Air Malta 20,4%
6- Malev Hungarian Airlines 20,2%
7- JAT Airlines (Serbia) 19,6%
8- Iberia 17,7%
9- Croatia Airlines 16,7%
10- TAP Portugal 16,7%

Geographic sectors in Europe showing the most delays :

1- London ---> Greece/Cyprus
2- Greece-Cyprus ---> London
3- Germany ---> Greece/Cyprus
4- Germany ---> Turkey
5- Greece/Cyprus ---> Germany
6- Spain/Canary ---> Germany
7- Poland ---> Germany
8- Central Europe ---> Germany
9- Spain/Canary ---> Scandinavia
10- Italy (North) ---> London

Airport served from Europe with most delays (on departing flights) :

1- LPA Las Palmas (Spain)
2- FCO Roma/Fimicino (Italy)
3- CMN Casablanca/Mohamed V (Morocco)
4- TFS Tenerife Sur/Reina Sofia (Spain)
5- IST Istanbul/Atatürk (Turkey)
6- CAI Cairo (Egypt)
7- JFK New York (USA)
8- LCA Larnaca (Cyprus)

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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

It doesnt surprise me about TK, thie ontime performace is not great to DUB altough they neve have significant delays.

It is obvious to see that most of the delays would be on routes covering large areas of congested airspace.

1- London ---> Greece/Cyprus
2- Greece-Cyprus ---> London
3- Germany ---> Greece/Cyprus
4- Germany ---> Turkey
5- Greece/Cyprus ---> Germany
6- Spain/Canary ---> Germany

But why Poland-Germany?

Also of note is that off the airlines none are using the big hubs as a base, I would have expected to see BA,LH,KL,AF there.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 1):
Also of note is that off the airlines none are using the big hubs as a base, I would have expected to see BA,LH,KL,AF there.
Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
1- Turkish Airlines 36,4 %
2- Alitalia 26%
3- Cyprus Airways 24%
4- AeroSvit (Ukraine)
5- Air Malta 20,4%
6- Malev Hungarian Airlines 20,2%
7- JAT Airlines (Serbia) 19,6%
8- Iberia 17,7%
9- Croatia Airlines 16,7%
10- TAP Portugal 16,7%

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17 - Air France 13%

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
1- LPA Las Palmas (Spain)
2- FCO Roma/Fimicino (Italy)
3- CMN Casablanca/Mohamed V (Morocco)
4- TFS Tenerife Sur/Reina Sofia (Spain)
5- IST Istanbul/Atatürk (Turkey)
6- CAI Cairo (Egypt)
7- JFK New York (USA)
8- LCA Larnaca (Cyprus)

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23 - Paris CDG
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28 - Paris ORY


User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

I am not surprised to see Greece and Cyprus high up the table. This is mainly due to the very frequent strikes taking place in Greece (one 24h strike is to take place this week as well) affecting the Greek FIR.

Cyprus Airways is banned from flying over Turkey so when Greek airspace is restricted, unavoidably all flights are required to follow alternate paths adding to their total time and hence the delay.

Greek Airlines are not affected because on strike days they usually cancell all flights hence they are not counted as delayed.

I am surprised to see Cyprus-Germany route up there knowing that it is mostly operated by LH and is usually punctual.



CY@Uk
User currently offlinemacsid From Malaysia, joined Jun 2009, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

I am very surprised to see that LHR does not seem to feature in the top-8 list (perhaps it's in the top-10 ?) of destination airports facing delays. Or is this simply a representation of the fact that many airlines simply schedule LHR as a longer flight and thereby avoid showing up as a delay?

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Quoting macsid (Reply 4):
Or is this simply a representation of the fact that many airlines simply schedule LHR as a longer flight and thereby avoid showing up as a delay?

Indeed, many airlines are now counting the constant delays at LHR in their schedules...
For example, Air France is scheduling 1h25 some of its CDG-LHR when the "real" flighttime barely exceed 35 or 40 minutes....


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2798 times:
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Could Larnaca have to do with the new terminal, maybe it took some time for everything to run smoothly.That could also explain why Cyprus Airways is high on the list.
Otherwise it doesn't make much sense, even if the Greek airspace is crowded or whatever they can make a minor detour, it's not like they fly to Eastern Europe (SOF and SVO excluded) so that that affects them badly.


As fas as Jat Airways (JU) goes, simple, too many aircraft grounded and not enough to operate the busy schedule.


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7538 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting macsid (Reply 4):
Or is this simply a representation of the fact that many airlines simply schedule LHR as a longer flight and thereby avoid showing up as a delay?
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
For example, Air France is scheduling 1h25 some of its CDG-LHR when the "real" flighttime barely exceed 35 or 40 minutes....

AF1480 is scheduled to arrive at LHR from CDG late in the evening at 2115 hrs. The scheduled elapsed time of this flight is 90 minutes. This is the longest scheduled elapsed time for any flight on this route. But in view of the 'off-peak' arrival time at LHR I would very much doubt that the reason this flight is scheduled to take longer than all other flights, including all of those scheduled to arrive at peak times, is to avoid LHR delays.

Interestingly BA329 is scheduled to arrive at LHR from CDG just 50 minutes after AF1480. Its scheduled elapsed time is only 65 minutes! So AF1480 is scheduled to take almost 40 per cent longer than the followihg BA flight! It is also notable on this route that half of the BA flights are scheduled to have a shorter elapsed time than the quickest AF flight of the day that has a scheduled elapsed time of 75 minutes.

My own guess is that these significant variations in scheduled flight times could reflect airlines mixing and matching allocated slots at the departure and arrival airports. But who knows?


User currently offlinemacsid From Malaysia, joined Jun 2009, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 7):
Quoting vv701 (Reply 7):
My own guess is that these significant variations in scheduled flight times could reflect airlines mixing and matching allocated slots at the departure and arrival airports. But who knows?

Could just be the difference between BA getting priority into its home base over other carriers ... ?



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
Indeed, many airlines are now counting the constant delays at LHR in their schedules...
For example, Air France is scheduling 1h25 some of its CDG-LHR when the "real" flighttime barely exceed 35 or 40 minutes....

Indeed, KL do the same thing when, realistically, the time from wheels-up at AMS to the time I see the Houses of Parliament out the window can be as little as 30 mins. Oh how I long for the days when I used to take the early morning AMS-LHR and actually arrive before I left (and they said you could only do that with Concorde!).


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7538 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2551 times:

Quoting macsid (Reply 8):
Could just be the difference between BA getting priority into its home base over other carriers ... ?

There are quite a few long haul departures to Africa, Asia and Australia at the times that AF1480 and BA329 are scheduled to arrive at LHR. But it is not a very busy time for arrivals.

So let's ignore the quicker BA flights. Why is the elapsed time for AF1480 on the CDG-LHR route 15 minutes or 20 per cent longer than AF1080 which is a peak-hour flight scheduled to depart CDG at 1800 hrs and arrive at LHR at 1815 hrs, 75 minutes later.

So why do AF schedule an off-peak flight to have an elaspsed time 20 per cent longer than a peak time flight on the same route? I say again my bet is that it is mixing and matching departure and arrival slots at CDG and LHR. But it might be because AF1480 is normally flown by an aircraft that does not arrive at CDG until around an hour before it is due to depart for LHR so AF are building in a safety margin. Or, much less likely, AF are looking to reduce the LHR parking charges that are time based.

But if you really do think that AF1480 is purposefully delayed by British ATC just go to:

http://www.heathrowcam.net/liveradar.php

and watch the radar screen at the appropriate time of day and you will see that it is not.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
Indeed, many airlines are now counting the constant delays at LHR in their schedules...
For example, Air France is scheduling 1h25 some of its CDG-LHR when the "real" flighttime barely exceed 35 or 40 minutes....

It's also interesting to look at the scheduled block times (gate to gate) of all flights from LHR to JFK (16 flights). They vary from 7:29 to 8:30. DL's two daily flights (both 767-400s) have by far the longest block times. Some of that no doubt reflects the 767's rather slow cruising speed, but certainly not one full hour. So that seems to indicate that DL may be adding more time to their schedules to account for potential delays. However that can backfire if a passenger chooses another carrier due to their faster scheduled tiime. For example, a BA 744 departs LHR 20 minutes after the first DL flight but is scheduled to arrive 20 minutes earlier.Similar situation applies for the 2nd DL flight with a VS 346 departing 10 minutes later but arriving 25 minutes earlier. Current LHR-JFK departure times, airline, aircraft type, scheduled block times below.

0830 AA 772 7:29
0855 BA 744 7:40
1005 DL 764 8:10
1025 BA 744 7:30
1035 VS 346 7:50
1155 AA 772 7:45
1340 BA 744 7:45
1400 VS 744 7:40
1645 AA 772 7:55
1700 BA 772 7:50
1705 DL 764 8:30
1715 VS 346 7:55
1805 BA 772 7:50
1830 AA 772 7:50
2005 BA 744 7:35
2005 AA 772 7:45

It's ironic that more than 50 years after the 707 and DC-8 went into service, almost all published schedules today on routes with nonstop service are slower than they were then.

[Edited 2010-07-07 16:22:49]

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