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Ryanair Set To Leave Another Base (Bournemouth)?  
User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8460 times:

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/new..._flight_from_Bournemouth_Airport_/

Pure speculation at this point, but with a meeting called for Thursday afternoon and no timetable published after October, it's probably not going to be good news for the airport.

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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

Hope for the best, I know the Lanzarote route has been very popular from both
ends...



from the Island with sun and great photo's.. Why not visit Lanzarote
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 3829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8026 times:

At first I assumed that this was just another Ryanscare... but when you read the particular news story it certainly looks rather bleak!

User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7801 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
but when you read the particular news story it certainly looks rather bleak!

Indeed, and they are not prone to massive exaggeration and hype like the tabloids.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13792 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7623 times:

FR seems to be moving their centre of operations slowly away from the UK and Ireland towards the continent, especially Italy and Spain.

Jan


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7542 times:
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):
FR seems to be moving their centre of operations slowly away from the UK and Ireland towards the continent, especially Italy and Spain.

  

This article in CAPA is subscription only, but the headline gives the basic info:

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...es-shift-away-from-ukireland/page1

"End of an era: Ryanair continues shift away from UK/Ireland
5th July, 2010
Ryanair, the second largest carrier in the UK, announced plans to reduce UK winter capacity by 16% from Nov-2010, stating the decision will result in the loss of more than 2 million passengers at UK airports over winter 2010 on a year-on-year basis."


mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13792 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):
FR seems to be moving their centre of operations slowly away from the UK and Ireland towards the continent, especially Italy and Spain.



This article in CAPA is subscription only, but the headline gives the basic info:

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...es-shift-away-from-ukireland/page1

"End of an era: Ryanair continues shift away from UK/Ireland
5th July, 2010
Ryanair, the second largest carrier in the UK, announced plans to reduce UK winter capacity by 16% from Nov-2010, stating the decision will result in the loss of more than 2 million passengers at UK airports over winter 2010 on a year-on-year basis."

mariner

FR is just building a maintenance hangar plus a simulator center for pilot training in HHN. So expect more work to happen over here on the continent.

Jan


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
Ryanair, the second largest carrier in the UK, announced plans to reduce UK winter capacity by 16% from Nov-2010, stating the decision will result in the loss of more than 2 million passengers at UK airports over winter 2010 on a year-on-year basis."

..or to put it another way. FR has realized they can move their aircraft to another location and make even more money. Doesn't look promising for Bournemouth.


User currently offlineyodobashi From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2007, 227 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7093 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
FR is just building a maintenance hangar

.... and they are adding to a second larger hangar next to their existing one in Prestwick too, so not all doom and gloom for the UK?



"The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page"
User currently offlineplanesmith From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6538 times:

Quoting yodobashi (Reply 8):
FR has realized they can move their aircraft to another location and make even more money.

Ryainair have no need for a public relations department, they do all that work themselves.

They fully understand their priorities and direct their energies solely in that direction - passengers (or as they prefer to think of them, self-loading cargo) come pretty far down any list they may choose to make.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 7):
..or to put it another way. FR has realized they can move their aircraft to another location and make even more money. Doesn't look promising for Bournemouth.

They have been shifting capacity over their network ever since they started flying. STN has seen large cuts, once they had 39 aircraft based there and this winter they'll be down to (IIRC) 24.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):
FR seems to be moving their centre of operations slowly away from the UK and Ireland towards the continent, especially Italy and Spain

Indeed, and much like easyJet. However, they still recently opened new based at EDI and LBA. But overall, it seems like the Departure tax, the weak GBP compared to the EUR (although it's value increased since 2009, it's still far below the 2006-2007 value) and the intense competition (U2, LS, WW) don't make it easy in the UK. Add to that the very favourable airport deals offered in Spain, and the Italian market which saw Alitalia + Air One shrink a lot, it makes it understandable why FR is shifting focus.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

Historically, the UK has had a very liberal air transport market, hence FR and U2 effectively started by growing strongly out of the UK, and helping create the "short break to somewhere unknown culture", where obscure places across Europe would be flooded with Brits!

Naturally, with the credit crunch and changes in tastes, people here are flying less, but this is offset by growth on the Continent, from previously relatively closed markets, and regions with large pockets prepared to pay FR to come there...



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13792 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

Quoting yodobashi (Reply 8):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
FR is just building a maintenance hangar

.... and they are adding to a second larger hangar next to their existing one in Prestwick too, so not all doom and gloom for the UK?

Probably due to the availability of a desperate workforce after Atlas Air Cargo closed down their maintenance base in PIK a year or two ago.

Jan


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

Quoting yodobashi (Reply 8):
.... and they are adding to a second larger hangar next to their existing one in Prestwick too, so not all doom and gloom for the UK?

Well, maintenance and operating flights aren't necessarily related.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 12):
Probably due to the availability of a desperate workforce after Atlas Air Cargo closed down their maintenance base in PIK a year or two ago.

This might of course be a very serious consideration!


User currently offlinespud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

If FR did cut back at BOH then perhaps LS might take over the void.... after all BOH was Channel Express's home prior to Jet2 side of their ops becoming the main part of the business and moved up to LBA. LS has mainly been a northern-UK based airline until now but perhaps this might give them room for some southern-UK start up.

Might also give BE a few more options for route expansion? They recently started MAN-BOH despite their EXT and SOU bases not a million miles away.

If it does follow that FR run down BOH ops then that's the 2nd of the MAG plc operated airports they have done that. Would leaves only EMA with FR ops out of the 4 MAG airports. A coincidence or a message from FR to MAG plc? Personally I think MAN is a better place without FR - already plenty of LCC and legacy choice. As for BOH, MAG have invested a lot of cash there with the new terminal so I'm sure they'll be scouting for airlines should FR clear off.


User currently offlinespud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5448 times:

Quoting spud757 (Reply 14):
Would leaves only EMA with FR ops out of the 4 MAG airports

correction - except FR for MAN-DUB since FR still compete with EI on that route


User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

Quoting spud757 (Reply 14):
If FR did cut back at BOH then perhaps LS might take over the void.... after all BOH was Channel Express's home prior to Jet2 side of their ops becoming the main part of the business and moved up to LBA. LS has mainly been a northern-UK based airline until now but perhaps this might give them room for some southern-UK start up.

Might also give BE a few more options for route expansion? They recently started MAN-BOH despite their EXT and SOU bases not a million miles away.

If it does follow that FR run down BOH ops then that's the 2nd of the MAG plc operated airports they have done that. Would leaves only EMA with FR ops out of the 4 MAG airports. A coincidence or a message from FR to MAG plc? Personally I think MAN is a better place without FR - already plenty of LCC and legacy choice. As for BOH, MAG have invested a lot of cash there with the new terminal so I'm sure they'll be scouting for airlines should FR clear off.

I was thinking the same, there certainly is a market out of BOH to the Canaries year round for seat only passingers.
Had wondered if RYR would have upped ACE to twice weekly during the Winter but looks like the route will be gone. Difficult to see any being served on a W pattern I guess...
The South West is a partly untapped market, a lot of people I meet at work say they don't like driving to BRS and EXT has so little LCC options so BOH is the alterative...

Wonder what time today the news will be known from this meeting....



from the Island with sun and great photo's.. Why not visit Lanzarote
User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 16):
Wonder what time today the news will be known from this meeting....

I'm keeping my eyes and ears open. Interestingly the Bournemouth Echo website linked in the original post carries the update:

Bournemouth Airport »
No significant problems reported at Bournemouth Airport

I wonder if FR pulling out would cause that status to change  


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Completely untrusted source but:

"Ryanair will not be leaving the airport, however it will be reducing the number of flights during the winter period."

Which kind of means nothing, as it would be expected anyway so.... why did I actually post it?

[Edited 2010-07-08 10:54:15]

User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

So has all this ended being a lot of nothing? After reading the newpaper story it
did not sound good so who knows???
Presuming RYR are staying at BOH, when will the Winter flights they plan
to operate be released?



from the Island with sun and great photo's.. Why not visit Lanzarote
User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

With 43 bases they can pick and chose which one to keep. I read somewhere that FR is completely withdrawinf all service to/from PRG and BUD.
If and when they start charging for toilet use and transport people standing, more bases will shut down....at that point you might pack yourself and be shipped by DHL.....


User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 20):
If and when they start charging for toilet use and transport people standing

& you believe they actually will?  
Why do those same two points come up in every single FR thread?



Dublin, where Sam Maguire will be coming home to in mid September
User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 19):
So has all this ended being a lot of nothing?

Still unclear. The latest from the original media source is:

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/new...Bournemouth_Airport_still_unclear/


User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Is it possible RYR are trying to get a better deal out of BOH airport, on the basis that
if they go there will not be much left?

Looks like we will have to wait a week at least to hear the outcome unless anything leaks!

cheers



from the Island with sun and great photo's.. Why not visit Lanzarote
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

You will probably see bases in more expensive northern european countries close, and flights flown from cheaper southern european countries, such as Spain. We may see W routings such as AGP-BOH-DUB-BOH-AGP, etc, so rather than basing staff in the UK, staff are based in Spain and earn less. So, whilst capacity stays the same and so do pax numbers, FR have further reduced their costs, and can further drive down fares / or increase profits.


The world is really getting smaller these days
25 spud757 : Let FR go rather than BOH 'prostitute' themselves (I use that term because that was also used by MAN, part of the same MAG group of airports). Pretty
26 Woof : Better for who? The airport, the passenger or both? If either of the latter then great. The comments at the bottom of the article I originally linked
27 acelanzarote : Try flying from BOH to the Canaries in the summer, RYR filled a gap left by Palmair. Everyone I have met who has used the service from.to BOH as been
28 bestwestern : Ryanair is closing the BOH base because it's not profitable. FR launched Dublin Bournemouth in 1996 when they had eleven aircraft. Sad to see it go af
29 Woof : Where are you getting your info from? The (limited) sources I have still don't know anything concrete.
30 WROORD : I've read today that FR may limit initially for the winter season more flights out of DUB and other UK airports. They hate the turist tax, which they
31 Post contains links Humberside : Base closed November, December, January Reopens February with reduced schedule http://www.thisisdorset.net/news/tid...services_from_Bournemouth_Airpor
32 acelanzarote : Thanks for the info, will be interesting to see what routes do re-start in Feb....if any?
33 woof : Indeed. Once it has closed for 3 months+ it's very easy for them not to come back.
34 MYT332 : You can but hope.
35 f4f3a : heard that all winter flights removed and next summer only 1 a/c
36 Post contains links jamies80085 : http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/bournmouth-winter-schedule-announced thats ryanairs official statment
37 joost : Routes to return from February 1st, 2011: ALC GRO FAO FUE LPA ACE AGP TFS This means that DUB, PSA, MLA, VLC, MJV, PMI and IBZ are not coming back. Ry
38 Humberside : They could always come back in summer. Most of those would probably be seasonal anyway
39 sam1987 : I would've thought BOH to DUB would be a year round route. As it isn't even coming back in Feb, I wouldn't be surprised if Aer Lingus (in the form of
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