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WS Announces 2010 Winter Schedule, Adds MSY  
User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Westjet today announced its Winter 2010/2011 and is adding three new destinations including New Orleans, Grand Cayman and Santa Clara all direct from YYZ as well as other direct routes from the west to the Caribbean.

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=462

Glad to see YYC getting more flights to the Caribbean and increased flights to Hawaii

[Edited 2010-07-07 08:23:37]

[Edited 2010-07-07 08:25:20]

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User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

MSY should do well.....Very smart decision to serve New Orleans!!!

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Great news about MSY! We'll finally get a nonstop connection to Canada again, even if it's just seasonal for starters. Woo hoo!  

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3060 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Thread starter):
New Orleans



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 1):
MSY should do well.....Very smart decision to serve New Orleans!!!

Perfect timing for cruise connections, as well. The service will operate until April 29. I can see this going year-round eventually.


User currently offlinecrazyfoo88 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Never saw MSY coming, but very glad it has happened! Mardi Gras anyone?! 


crazyfoo88
User currently offlineJetCaptain From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Vancouver (YVR) to Montego Bay (MBJ) at 2849nm (great circle) would be their longest flight to date, that's gotta be pushing the range of a 737-700 !?

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6755 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Congratulations to MSY getting Westjet.. but what I find funny is that when I looked at WestJet route map, they have it set up "Canada, United States, International"...

hehehe.. I guess there are some Canadians that too consider the Canada-US border as mainly symbolic since they don't consider the US as International.. hehehee..   



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

Nice to see growth from WestJet, from Canada, and all the Caribbean and U.S. cities seeing some increased service.

It's especially nice to see NOLA finally seeing an upturn in service, routes AND airlines! Looks like things have started to turn the corner in that region. Congrat's!

bb


User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Thread starter):
including New Orleans

Awesome news for MSY glad to hear it!! A little off topic but is WS coming back to ACY? I fail to see why they started ACY-YYZ they should have started ACY-YUL with a seasonal SUMMER service as so many people from Quebec come down here for the beach and especially cape may and I truly believe the route would do well in the summer..


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

One thing I see from this sked is little growth within Canada - YOW-YVR & YOW-YHZ go year-round, up from seasonal,
but that seems to be it. Given WS's difficulties getting any traction in Eastern Canada (PD now have more market share in the Triangle, for example), I am wondering if on the domestic side they are either:

a) maxed out, or (I think more likely)
b) boxed out of some destinations due to a/c size.

Despite a slew of 73G's still t come, perhaps a decision on a new, smaller a/c may come sooner rather than later. E190? or CS100/CS300 ? Not sure how far ahead the 190/195 line is sold out, and I would not expect CS100 until later in 2013. The 736 seems to me to not be the right-sized a/c for smaller destinations like YZF, YXY, YPR, YSB, YQB, YTS, etc. And for a shorter-haul mission, the 736 (like the A318) is too heavy.

Opinions ?



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
Despite a slew of 73G's still t come, perhaps a decision on a new, smaller a/c may come sooner rather than later. E190? or CS100/CS300 ? Not sure how far ahead the 190/195 line is sold out, and I would not expect CS100 until later in 2013.

It's more likely that WS will start drawing up feeder contracts on smaller routes that wouldn't otherwise be profitable.



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 11):

It's more likely that WS will start drawing up feeder contracts on smaller routes that wouldn't otherwise be profitable.

Fair enough, but will feeders be able to preserve WS's perceived brand ? ("We careantee....") The brand image is something they've worked hard to develop.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting ewrkid (Reply 9):
A little off topic but is WS coming back to ACY? I fail to see why they started ACY-YYZ they should have started ACY-YUL with a seasonal SUMMER service as so many people from Quebec come down here for the beach and especially cape may and I truly believe the route would do well in the summer

I agree! There are many Québécois in south Jersey. I had booked ACY-YYZ for this summer before it was abruptly cancelled


User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 13):
I agree! There are many Québécois in south Jersey. I had booked ACY-YYZ for this summer before it was abruptly cancelled

Thats the words for people from Quebec, Quebecois!! haha They could easily fill a 737 if there prices were right and i think the route would be a very succesful summer route


User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

WS seem to still ignore a good few markets; YXX for example has been a profitable area for them since the day they started. The airport seem to bend over backwards for them (the YXX website is basically a homage to them) and yet they don't want to grow it any further. A year round YXX - YYZ will work, it sells out in the summer and the demand is there, making it year round will not attack their YYC traffic very much and will only increase their share of AC passengers in the Fraser Valley.

I realize they did try LAS, and that was a short lived venture. Really though, going to try and compete with the low fares from G4 at BLI? Crazy! How about launching a CUN instead of a PVR? Would make a lot more sense as their are more options in that area to choose from (Playa Del Carmen is only 45 min from the airport). WS have an opportunity to dig their heels in but only seem interested in saturating the YYC/YEG market from YVR & YXX.

Sorry for the rant, not used to the high heat like those of you back east!


User currently offlinebriboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 7):
hehehe.. I guess there are some Canadians that too consider the Canada-US border as mainly symbolic since they don't consider the US as Internationa

This terminology is used because, in Canada, most airports with service to the USA have US Customs and Immigration pre-clearance. Therefore, passengers check-in at different check-in areas, and have different check-in cut off times, than international or domestic destinations. Different passenger experience, different expectations set up by the airlines.

Simple, really.



next up: YYC, SFO, SYD, AKL, WLG, CMB, BKK, SIN, FRA, VCE, JFK
User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 15):
WS seem to still ignore a good few markets

I'm still waiting on them to start service to YXC, with all the ski resorts in the area and the airport upgraded, I don't see why they shouldn't start flying there. I read an article in a Cranbrook newspaper a while back saying that WS was interested in starting a YYZ-YXC service during the winter, I wonder what happened to that.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 12):

WS has a tendency to hold their contractors to a higher standard than most other airlines. With all the regional carriers trying to stay afloat, WS can afford to be picky.



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Looks like MIA gets a second flight in the fall, going to 10x weekly:

WS 1100 YYZ 0700-1007 MIA 73W TuThSa
WS 1101 MIA 1055-1358 YYZ 73W TuThSa



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8751 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2009 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Looks like MIA gets a second flight in the fall, going to 10x weekly:

That's great news for the Winter. Hopefully WS will launch YUL-MIA in the near-term since AC only operates YUL-MIA 2x weekly; alongside AA's MIA-YUL thrice daily service. American Airlines or American Eagle should consider MIA-YOW as a potential new route.


User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 17):
I'm still waiting on them to start service to YXC, with all the ski resorts in the area and the airport upgraded, I don't see why they shouldn't start flying there. I read an article in a Cranbrook newspaper a while back saying that WS was interested in starting a YYZ-YXC service during the winter, I wonder what happened to that.

Another great example of an under served airport and ignored by WS. I would be curious if they are afraid that it would upset their numbers at YYC? Even if they did what does it matter? A winter charter service from YYZ would be a great idea, there would also be some excellent numbers on the return flight around Christmas.

I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of WS, their BS marketing bothers me and it seems far too glossy of an airline. Want to be low cost? Stop being the same price as AC on all of the major routes.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1939 times:

Being somewhat familiar with the two Canadian airports mentioned below,felt I would add a few comments.

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 15):
WS seem to still ignore a good few markets; YXX for example has been a profitable area for them since the day they started.

The YXX market,aka,Fraser Valley is a low yield market. Both AC and WS true focus is at YVR.

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 15):
The airport seem to bend over backwards for them (the YXX website is basically a homage to them) and yet they don't want to grow it any further.

See response above. Some of you remember AC two failed attempts to establish themselves at YXX. In respect to the airport bending over backwards,well,let's just say a lot of airports pander to WS. It may be that they are just trying to keep WS as a customer,otherwise the airport as we know it would just fade away.

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 15):
A year round YXX - YYZ will work, it sells out in the summer and the demand is there, making it year round will not attack their YYC traffic very much and will only increase their share of AC passengers in the Fraser Valley.

See my first reply. Too much low yield demand. Easy to fill the plane;just not enough profit in it when those same aircraft could generate better returns elsewhere.

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 17):
I'm still waiting on them to start service to YXC, with all the ski resorts in the area and the airport upgraded, I don't see why they shouldn't start flying there. I read an article in a Cranbrook newspaper a while back saying that WS was interested in starting a YYZ-YXC service during the winter, I wonder what happened to that.

Now here's another tin-pot airport with big dreams,why is it that they extended their runway in the belief that, "If you build it,they will come ". Their dream originally was that it would entice some of those European ski charters to fly directly to YXC. In respect to a YYZ service,not going to happen. The catchment area and population is not quite large enough;again,you could maybe fill the aircraft some days but the yield would be a disaster.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Looks like MIA gets a second flight in the fall, going to 10x weekly:

WS is adding so much capacity,they've got to put the their aircraft to use somewhere. I will admit WS is very good at using their capacity on leisure routes during the winter. Some work,others don't,ie,ACY.

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 21):
I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of WS, their BS marketing bothers me and it seems far too glossy of an airline.

Consumers and their own employee's lap it up. Marketing their brand is the cornerstone of their success.

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 21):
Want to be low cost? Stop being the same price as AC on all of the major routes.

Those days are gone,WS is a very estabished carrier pretending to be a low-fare carriers(noticed I did not say low-cost). You can see how they are slowly and very carefully morphing themselves into network hub carrier along the lines of a legacy.

I'm quite impressed with WS selection of MSY. It's sure to do well as a leisure season route.

[Edited 2010-07-09 01:42:04]

[Edited 2010-07-09 01:51:20]

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