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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Hey Folks-

I have noticed we have 3 airlines now running promotions in and out of STL specifically. WN started the promotion by offering double bonus credits, for their new flights that started May 9th.

Then Delta chimes in with their STL promotion, along with PIT. RDU and BNA too. They are offering Double EQM and 10K bonus r/t for Coach/Domestic, and 25,000 r/t for coach/intl and 50K r/t for F Class service. One argued this was because of WN, but I think the way DL did it was for their own reasons perhaps due to the focus city/hub that had been ongoing at STL?

Lastly, American has now chimed in with a TRIPLE bonus miles and Double EQM for all flights out of STL.

I still prefer Delta's version because, though they all offer Double EQM, Delta gives more, regardless of the distance you are going to get 10K bonus miles or 5K (to a DL Hub).

Has there been official confirmation where Alaska Airlines is going to fly out of in STL? I think someone mentioned A Concourse? I thought it was interesting, my original STL-MSP flight was due to fly out of gate A-10. I thought this was weird, and noticed Delta is now utilizing A10 and A12 but have closed A6 for repair.

Delta is now operating out of A2, A3, A5, A8, A10 and A12? That is 6 gates, not including the A6 being worked on. Is Delta really needing all those gates now for just 34 flights? Is this due to Alaska Airlines coming in now?

Regarding WN, I have heard that E31 is being used for arrivals only when there is a back up flow on the Southwest end. This is not confirmed but just been passed around, take it for what it is worth.

I read in another F9 forum that STL-PVR was filed by Frontier which is cool if so.

Cape Air is now hiring for Mechanics in STL for the upcoming STL-IRK service, and will start with 3 daily in September. I believe they are still in D, but expecting a move to C soon? I believe Cape Air is trying to be the former TWE back then, and next is possibly TBN-STL and some other former routes. Will be great to see what Cape Air does in STL.

Alex


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User currently offlineUnited1P From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

wow i really hope that UA gets in on this, as they recently added flights to STL as well if i'm not mistaken


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User currently offlinelambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
Lastly, American has now chimed in with a TRIPLE bonus miles and Double EQM for all flights out of STL.

I flew STL-DCA yesterday morning and landed at Reagan with no power when I had to be at a meeting. Needless to say sitting on the tarmac I wasn't the least bit happy. In any case, I'm hoping to have other options to Reagan sometime soon. I'm not fond of American's product nor the airline itself for obvious reasons.

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
Delta is now operating out of A2, A3, A5, A8, A10 and A12? That is 6 gates, not including the A6 being worked on. Is Delta really needing all those gates now for just 34 flights? Is this due to Alaska Airlines coming in now?

Gate A-5 is gone and I don't think they're using A10 and 12. I'm pretty sure they're just rolling with 4 gates right now in A2, 3, 4, and 8. A-6, like you said, is under repair or they are doing something with it. What their plans are is beyond me. We shall see if they are truly interested in adding flights over the next 5 or 6 months.

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
Regarding WN, I have heard that E31 is being used for arrivals only when there is a back up flow on the Southwest end. This is not confirmed but just been passed around, take it for what it is worth.

I haven't been to T2 in a couple of months but from my understanding the initial growth issues are resolved. One thing is certain though; they will have to add gates to accommodate any further expansion.

Its a rather dreary airport though, that's for sure. Its going to take more than a little elbow grease to get it headed in the right direction.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting lambertman (Reply 2):
Gate A-5 is gone and I don't think they're using A10 and 12. I'm pretty sure they're just rolling with 4 gates right now in A2, 3, 4, and 8

That's right, A5 became that Starbucks.

A10 they are in fact using because my STL-MSP was boarding out of A10 when I flew DL to BOS last week.

Status off delta.com shows this too..

St Louis (STL)
Gate A10 6:30am
09 Jul On Time
Minneapolis/St Paul (MSP)

Alex



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User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1665 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):

I still prefer Delta's version because, though they all offer Double EQM, Delta gives more, regardless of the distance you are going to get 10K bonus miles or 5K (to a DL Hub).

AA's is better for those doing longhaul travel on these promotions, though. For Asian destinations, a coach DL seat earns 25k bonus RDM whereas an AA seat would earn a bit more than that by tripling the miles rather than adding the flat bonus. For short flights, though, DL is obviously giving far more than AA.

I've got a SYD trip booked on DL during the promo period, but of course AA doesn't fly there, so there's no direct comparable.

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
Has there been official confirmation where Alaska Airlines is going to fly out of in STL? I think someone mentioned A Concourse?

It has been confirmed that DL will be doing above and below wing for AS, but I can't find a link to the info. I'll keep looking and post back if I can find it.

I suspect DL wouldn't specifically add a gate to handle AS given that it's just the one daily flight on the ground between 5:10 and 6:05 PM. Near as I can tell, DL is only scheduled to have 4 other planes on the ground at the same time as AS (as of the 9/27 start-up) - an M88 doing ATL-STL-ATL, a D95 doing MSP-STL-DTW, an E75 doing DTW-STL-MSP, and a CR9 doing SLC-STL-SLC. It wouldn't take much of a hiccup for a CVG-STL-MEM CR9 to be there then as well, though, so additional gates certainly would give them some breathing room.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8903 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
One argued this was because of WN, but I think the way DL did it was for their own reasons perhaps due to the focus city/hub that had been ongoing at STL?

My guess is Delta was going after travelers in fairly large mid-sized cities that didn't have a dominant airline. Pittsburgh, Raleigh, Nashville and St. Louis are all in this category, having between 1.75 and 2.75 million people with no one airline being large there. Instead of trying to pry elite flyers from cities such as Charlotte, Phoenix, etc. where there are entrenched carriers, they could go for these other markets where loyalty is more split. The fact that Delta had decent presences in each of those four markets already likely helped in their decision to target these markets, over a similar-sized market such as Sacramento where Delta has a small presence.

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):

I still prefer Delta's version because, though they all offer Double EQM, Delta gives more, regardless of the distance you are going to get 10K bonus miles or 5K (to a DL Hub).

Really depends on where you're going. If you're doing a lot of short hops, Delta's is a better promotion. For example, I'm doing RDU-ATL-BOS-ATL-RDU a few times this fall as mileage runs. Under the DL rules, I get 10k miles. Under the AA rules, I'd be getting 8676 miles. However, one run I was looking at was PIT-JFK-SFO-JFK-PIT. Under Delta rules, I still get 10k on Delta. Under AA rules, I'd get 18516 miles.

Delta does win on the international side (for the vast majority of routes); however AA can be better if you're doing a good bit of transcons. Out of STL, it hurts if you're staying in the center of the country, but if going to the coasts, you can often get more out of the promo than what Delta's offering.

I've also heard rumors of Delta considering putting in a SkyClub into STL if they can drive some additional traffic. Delta will have 35 daily flights out of STL this fall, with 16 on mainline (MSP/ATL/SLC/DTW) and 32 of these flights having first class seats, tying Delta for the second most flights out of STL with American (34 each; though AA has many more seats since 32 of their flights are mainline) and putting them firmly in third for seat count. Delta also has the second most destinations out of STL this fall (8), with AA going to only 7.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 4):

AA's is better for those doing longhaul travel on these promotions, though

That is true.

Quoting steex (Reply 4):

I've got a SYD trip booked on DL during the promo period, but of course AA doesn't fly there, so there's no direct comparable.

I am trying to book a SYD trip but just to go for mileage run but I am having issues on Delta.com doing so.

Quoting steex (Reply 4):

It has been confirmed that DL will be doing above and below wing for AS, but I can't find a link to the info. I'll keep looking and post back if I can find it.

Sweet, I had hoped that would be true!

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):


I've also heard rumors of Delta considering putting in a SkyClub into STL if they can drive some additional traffic.

Wow! That would be interesting if true. Wonder where they'd put it!

Alex



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
I still prefer Delta's version because, though they all offer Double EQM, Delta gives more, regardless of the distance you are going to get 10K bonus miles or 5K (to a DL Hub).

Skypesos are largely worthless, you'd be better off going with AA.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 6):
Wow! That would be interesting if true. Wonder where they'd put it!

The rumor is that AA is wanting to downsize its AC in STL. Perhaps they can figure out some way to divide that space for DL as the STL AC is quite large and much larger than it needs to be in light of the recent reductions. As long as DL is in A concourse, I don't see any place for it in the actual concourse itself.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 7):

Skypesos are largely worthless, you'd be better off going with AA.

I am already half way through to being elite on Delta, no going back now to American!

What is skypesos anyway?

Alex



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
What is skypesos anyway?

It's a derogatory term for Skymiles, because, well, they worth as much as pesos.

But yeah, if you're going for elite status, more power to you. But the miles themselves aren't worth much as DL doesn't release much FF seat inventory and when they do, the cost is exorbitant.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8903 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1962 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 9):
But yeah, if you're going for elite status, more power to you. But the miles themselves aren't worth much as DL doesn't release much FF seat inventory and when they do, the cost is exorbitant.

It really depends - Delta tends to be pretty good with last minute awards, which is 90% of my award tickets.

That being said, I booked my Thanksgiving trip yesterday. Delta wanted around 50k miles for me as a Platinum. I was able to get MSP-EWR; LGA-ORD-MSP at the exact times I wanted for 25k miles using my Continental miles (granted, I have to go out of LGA on the way home which is a hassle, but I'll live).


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1946 times:

It would be nice to see STL in a bloodbath again, similar to what DEN has had last year and what MKE is going through currently. It looks like the key markets are now the Midwestern U.S. cities.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):

What is skypesos anyway?

It represents how worthless SkyMiles are. I have 150,000 plus and I still can't find a single damn way to use them. Meanwhile I've redeemed over 120,000 AAdvantage miles in the past year with no problem, including a last-minute 40,000 round-trip award to Milan.

This elite bonus miles from STL is encouraging a lot of fliers for the airlines to route themselves out of STL. I'm planning a trip to Italy in the fall and will actually be buying two tickets - LAX-STL-LAX and then a separate STL-MXP-STL so I can get the miles.



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User currently offlinelambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
I've also heard rumors of Delta considering putting in a SkyClub into STL if they can drive some additional traffic. Delta will have 35 daily flights out of STL this fall, with 16 on mainline (MSP/ATL/SLC/DTW) and 32 of these flights having first class seats, tying Delta for the second most flights out of STL with American (34 each; though AA has many more seats since 32 of their flights are mainline) and putting them firmly in third for seat count. Delta also has the second most destinations out of STL this fall (8), with AA going to only 7.

That would be terrific. If they intend on adding any flights and having a 40-50 flight a day station that would be the next logical step, anyway.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
It would be nice to see STL in a bloodbath again, similar to what DEN has had last year and what MKE is going through currently. It looks like the key markets are now the Midwestern U.S. cities.

I highly doubt that will ever happen. There is no incumbent carrier like Midwest that uses STL as a stronghold. I think everyone realizes that there is going to be a winner and a loser in this MKE thing. The market cannot support both carriers. Inevitably one will prevail, operate a 100 flight a day station, and the other will probably settle into a 30 to 40 flight a day operation.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 7):
The rumor is that AA is wanting to downsize its AC in STL.

We may be losing another AA destination come fall. Stay tuned.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting lambertman (Reply 13):
There is no incumbent carrier like Midwest that uses STL as a stronghold.

First, I never said YX uses STL as a stronghold. Secondly, Midwest is dead. Thirdly, I was using DEN and MKE as a generalization that STL might similarly see. Fourthly, I was speaking of STL, not DEN nor MKE.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting lambertman (Reply 13):
Quoting 777STL (Reply 7):
The rumor is that AA is wanting to downsize its AC in STL.

We may be losing another AA destination come fall. Stay tuned.

That would surprise me. All that is left is the hubs and DCA, and with nobody else on STL-DCA, AA won't leave that market.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
That would surprise me. All that is left is the hubs and DCA, and with nobody else on STL-DCA, AA won't leave that market.

I could see LAX becoming a potential battleground with WN restarting the route. I'd imagine that's the weakest route now and AA has a direct competitor.

I hope not, I quite enjoy the one stops to Australia.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
That would surprise me.

With the higher profit routes they've given up already, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they just flew RJ's here in a couple years. Nothing the AA philosophy has here surprises me anymore.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 16):

I could see LAX becoming a potential battleground with WN restarting the route. I'd imagine that's the weakest route now and AA has a direct competitor.

AA has 51% (48% non-stop; 3% via hubs) and Southwest has 21% of the market (only 6% of it on the non-stop). On the non-stop, AA commands a 26% fare premium.

I would not worry about LAX-STL leaving.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 17):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
That would surprise me.

With the higher profit routes they've given up already, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they just flew RJ's here in a couple years. Nothing the AA philosophy has here surprises me anymore.

That's simply not going to happen.



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User currently offlinelambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 14):
First, I never said YX uses STL as a stronghold. Secondly, Midwest is dead. Thirdly, I was using DEN and MKE as a generalization that STL might similarly see. Fourthly, I was speaking of STL, not DEN nor MKE.

First, I said there is no incumbent carrier like Midwest. Second, you know what I meant. Thirdly, that won't happen like I said, because there is no incumbent carrier anymore. Fourthly, I know what you were speaking of.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 16):
I could see LAX becoming a potential battleground with WN restarting the route. I'd imagine that's the weakest route now and AA has a direct competitor.

I like your line of thinking. It is odd that Nashville would retain non-stops while St. Louis, a stronger market where WN also exists, would lose them. In any case, I was told (as if it were news) that Seattle & Los Angeles were going "because" of Southwest.

I'll be interested to see if the other shoe drops on Los Angeles.

[Edited 2010-07-08 17:11:23]

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting lambertman (Reply 19):
First, I said there is no incumbent carrier like Midwest.

And I'm telling you that Midwest is dead.

Quoting lambertman (Reply 19):
Second, you know what I meant.

Correct.

Quoting lambertman (Reply 19):
Thirdly, that won't happen like I said, because there is no incumbent carrier anymore.

Not at STL, of course. At MKE and DEN, yes there is.

Quoting lambertman (Reply 19):
Fourthly, I know what you were speaking of.

Speaking of STL and only STL.



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User currently offlineMNMncrcnwjr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
It represents how worthless SkyMiles are. I have 150,000 plus and I still can't find a single damn way to use them.

Just Booked my Parents on DL RT ANC in First for 90k total and my daughter to Minnie RT for 25k in back .... with the Marriott promotion of upto 60K (5k per stay) and now this STL promo I'll have these miles back in less than 6 weeks..

But the MQM portion are the key, making Platinum via 100 segments is tough .. I may have to look into two or three mile runs this fall!

MY SPECULATION! NO KNOWLEDGE OF OR RUMOR HEARD - Would Delta be looking into a move to the B Concourse at STL IF they are serious at a Focus City?

Closing Gate 5 for a $tar buck$ was a silly move but making use of 10 and 12 (as they clean up the area) would more than b able to help handle the load!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quoting lambertman (Reply 19):

Quoting 777STL (Reply 16):
I could see LAX becoming a potential battleground with WN restarting the route. I'd imagine that's the weakest route now and AA has a direct competitor.

I like your line of thinking. It is odd that Nashville would retain non-stops while St. Louis, a stronger market where WN also exists, would lose them.

Nashville-Los Angeles has significant First class traffic thanks to the entertainment industry.

But, regardless, LAX-STL isn't being discontinued.



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User currently offlinelambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 21):
MY SPECULATION! NO KNOWLEDGE OF OR RUMOR HEARD - Would Delta be looking into a move to the B Concourse at STL IF they are serious at a Focus City?

They aren't serious. It was some really shoddy journalism. Jerry Berger has a blog that occasionally reports St. Louis aviation-related stuff and lo and behold, often times there is some news report a few days later when story lines are few and far between. When Jerry said that they were "possibly looking at taking over concourse C (his guess)", I'm assuming KMOV confirmed the meeting took place and ran with the story.

The same thing took place months ago when he said something similar with British Airways and KTVI reported that Lambert and BA were in "serious talks".

In regard to Delta though, they likely do have some interest in adding flights and likely will. I would say that we're looking at maybe a few destinations tops.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Interesting to read the complaints on Delta. I have been able to cash my miles just fine on Delta and American both for the dates I wanted in the class I needed. No complaints from my side.

I left American because I was disappointed I could not book cape air only flights on AA.com, that was going to be a key part of regaining elite status. When I discovered it HAD to be a STL connection, it wasn't going to work in my favor. I already have a DL AMEX Card, so I simply switched and started flying Delta, however I could care less how many bonus miles they offer, AA or DL, both are still only offering double EQM which is the key point in earning elite status with said airline.

Service wise, Delta has far been better than AA in coach and F to a point, especially with the around 500 mile segments out of STL. Another reason why I have switched over to Delta.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):

It represents how worthless SkyMiles are. I have 150,000 plus and I still can't find a single damn way to use them. Meanwhile I've redeemed over 120,000 AAdvantage miles in the past year with no problem, including a last-minute 40,000 round-trip award to Milan.

Interesting to read that Mark, as mentioned I haven't had any issues cashing miles in.

Quoting lambertman (Reply 13):

We may be losing another AA destination come fall. Stay tuned.

Oh what a shock *sarcasm noted*

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 21):

But the MQM portion are the key, making Platinum via 100 segments is tough .. I may have to look into two or three mile runs this fall!

Indeed, the fact DL is offering double EQM is a big factor, as is AA too. WN I guess in a way is offering the same offer also, as their points ARE their version of "elite" status too.

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Reply 21):

Closing Gate 5 for a $tar buck$ was a silly move but making use of 10 and 12 (as they clean up the area) would more than b able to help handle the load!

I can indeed confirm 10, but I don't know about 12 yet.

Quoting lambertman (Reply 23):

In regard to Delta though, they likely do have some interest in adding flights and likely will. I would say that we're looking at maybe a few destinations tops.

Well that would be great to see! I see AS flying STL-SEA as an added benefit and hope they code-share it with Delta too.

Alex



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25 Cubsrule : As of about a month ago, they were not. I had some family wait nearly 90 minutes for a gate at 10:00 on a Saturday morning. That's not acceptable at
26 777STL : AA also hasn't shown any resolve when it comes to fighting for routes out of STL after WN has started them. SEA, RSW, SAN, etc. I never said it was g
27 Cubsrule : What about STL-LAX the last time WN flew it?
28 lambertman : I think he's referring to what I said. In any case, I'm just reporting what I was told. If he didn't act as if Seattle was news I would have dismisse
29 777STL : Loaded question? I'm not entirely sure as I think that was the '06-'07 timeframe but it's worth pointing out that STL still functioned as a hub for A
30 PC12Fan : I'll take that bet.
31 Cubsrule : Not intentionally... Even in the hub days, there was something different about STL-LAX. It's the ONLY route that AA ran WN off of rather than the oth
32 Post contains images lambertman : Maybe the baggage system has created problems with re-installing gate E-22? If the problem does still exist (some people who have never been to the a
33 Cubsrule : CHI is probably the other precedent. Today, both ORD and LAX are (apparently) officially routes to AA hubs. I'm aware that it isn't quite an apples-t
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