ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2787 posts, RR: 23 Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6425 times:
According to the article QR is set to increase flights to Germany upto 35 per week. While the article says it is an increase from 21 pw to 35 pw; QR already has 24 weekly services to Germany. 10 weekly to FRA, and a daily each to MUC and TXL. The last bilateral agreement was signed in November 1996.
Also, QR and LH code share on each others flights to Germany. LH code shares on all QR flights to FRA and MUC (no code share to TXL) while QR code shares on LH's daily FRA-RUH-DOH flight.
While it does seem obvious that FRA will go from 10 weekly to 14 weekly; the remaining 7 weekly IMO will be used to open up a new destination. What could it be HAM? STR?
[Edited 2010-07-07 22:12:53]
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Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6167 times:
This is very good news. I just hope there will be a similar expansion of traffic rights with the UAE, so that EK and EY can have more flights to Germany as well.
Quoting ojas (Thread starter): While it does seem obvious that FRA will go from 10 weekly to 14 weekly; the remaining 7 weekly IMO will be used to open up a new destination. What could it be HAM? STR?
HAM and DUS would seem likely, unless QR decides it is better to go somewhere EK doesn't so they might rather fly to STR, CGN or HAJ.
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2787 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6039 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 1): HAM and DUS would seem likely, unless QR decides it is better to go somewhere EK doesn't so they might rather fly to STR, CGN or HAJ.
QR is allowed now 35 weekly flights to Germany across 5 airports. They already use 3 i.e FRA, MUC, TXL. While I do think they will increase FRA to 14 weekly, there is every chance that they won't and instead open up two more airports with a daily and a 4 pw flight. So the potential airports are DUS, HAM, STR, CGN ... not sure if HAJ is a strong contender.
Quoting Thorben (Reply 1): I just hope there will be a similar expansion of traffic rights with the UAE, so that EK and EY can have more flights to Germany as well.
Seeing the EK, EY patterns, is Germany restricting the big 3 to 14 weekly at FRA?
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directorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1569 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5950 times:
Interesting that the bilateral was signed back in 1996. Back then the German government realistically only expected limited growth for QR in Germany if any, while LH would have the 'lion's share' of the market in DOH. Back then GF had a hub at DOH, but even had they would hardly been expected to use half let alone all of those frequencies available.
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5920 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 4): QR is allowed now 35 weekly flights to Germany across 5 airports. They already use 3 i.e FRA, MUC, TXL. While I do think they will increase FRA to 14 weekly, there is every chance that they won't and instead open up two more airports with a daily and a 4 pw flight.
They get 11 new frequencies and two new airports. I am not sure they'll take four of the freqs to FRA, leaving only seven for two new airports. I would rather follow the approach of opening one new dest with a daily and one with 4/week.
Quoting ojas (Reply 4): So the potential airports are DUS, HAM, STR, CGN ... not sure if HAJ is a strong contender.
My money would be on STR and CGN, because DUS and HAM are already served by EK. HAJ is number five in that list, but still before NUE and all others.
Quoting ojas (Reply 4): Seeing the EK, EY patterns, is Germany restricting the big 3 to 14 weekly at FRA?
I don't know. EK is restricted to four airports and I think they do all the freqs to Germany that they can. Not sure about EY, but they are both limited by the same agreement since it is between Germany and the UAE.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7771 posts, RR: 26 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5912 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 4): DUS, HAM, STR, CGN ... not sure if HAJ is a strong contender.
a daily to DUS would make sense, using the remaining 4 pw for upgrades at the existing poiints. All the others would not be feasible. QR codeshares with LH and has interline access to all German airports served by LH
B742 From UK - England, joined Mar 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 21 Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5357 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7): a daily to DUS would make sense, using the remaining 4 pw for upgrades at the existing poiints. All the others would not be feasible. QR codeshares with LH and has interline access to all German airports served by LH
Agreed. I've heard snippets (nothing concrete) that DUS is being considered as a future destination for QR. There are quite a few onward opportunities with LH for passengers via DUS to N. America.
GodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2751 posts, RR: 18 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
This is really interesting! Should QR actually decide to grow outside of FRA, MUC and TXL it would make most sense to start STR - alone for the fact that EK wants to fly there but won't get the rights [anytime soon]. This would be the only viable destination with no direct competition.
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