Lowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3742 times:
Where would you start an airline if it was to be realistic startup. What would your destinations be after the first year? By my terms of realistic, I mean starting with about $85 million dollars, and a small fleet of planes. It would also mean that it has to be in the current airport rules. "I would fly a 757 LGA-LHR" would not work.
I would have 6 Dornier 328s flyin from PHL at the gates that are going to be built at the end of 'E' to attract the low-fare carriers flying
Twaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3597 times:
I would like to buy Spirit Airlines and run it properly. There could be a lot of value in this company, if it didn't have such a third-rate management team.
I would give the airline a new image (colorscheme, logo etc), continue to expand with older used MD80s, continue to bulk up FLL with new Caribean flying, continue to expand DTW as a low-fare competitor to NW (much like F9 and FL), and charge higher fares for strong demand destinations... (LGA).
US Air/TWA Fan From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3584 times:
I would buy Vanguard and run it properly.
But Vanguard would be different...
First, I'd change the name. I like the name "Heartland". (I hope Heartland in Dayton works out, but if it doesn't someone should use the name).
Second, I would add newer aircraft to the fleet...like the MD-80s.
Third, I would continue to build up the Kansas City hub and add a lot more non-stop flights and build frequencies.
Fourth, I would add a first class section...like what AirTran did-and made a success.
Within a year the Heartland fleet would consist of about 10 MD-80s and 12 B737-200 and fly to about 18-20 cities.
All of the current Vanguard cities (14) would still be served and I would add the following: Boston; Seattle; Washington National (if I could get slots, if not, then Washington Dulles), Columbus or Dayton, Ohio; Orlando, and Salt Lake city.
Long term, the 737-200 would all be replaced by MD-80s or newer aircraft (such as the A318/A319).
Other cities to be served are: San Diego, PDX, PHX, Vancouver, IAH, STL, MIA, IND, Toronto, PHL, RDU, BNA, CLE, and many more.
TxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3555 times:
This is what I posted before, and yes...I think I could do it for $85Mil,
Carrier name: Pioneer Airlines "The West is Near, When You Fly Pioneer"
Fleet: 10 Boeing 717s (leased)
Headquarters: Dallas Love Field, TX
Cities Served: Dallas (TX) Love Field, Houston (TX) Hobby, Baton Rouge LA, McAllen TX, Wichita KS, Olathe KS, West Memphis AR
Service: Single class layout, 5 abreast in the B717 with about a 32" pitch. Leather seats throughout (they cost more originally but they hold up real well...easy to keep clean). Some backwards facing seats in "lounge areas" in about 5 spots in the cabin.
Route structure: hourly svc between DAL & HOU (from 630 to 2230 Southbound, and from 0645 to 2245 Northbound).....5 trips a day DAL-AWM, DAL-ICT, and DAL-Olathe. 5 trips a day HOU-BTR and HOU-MFE. Friday night and Sunday night nonstops between DAL & MFE.
Fare structure. No advance purchase fares. Everything is a walkup fare. On the roughly 1-hour nonstops, fare would be $80 OW/$150 RT before 7:00 pm on weekdays. After 7:00 pm and all day Saturday & Sunday this rate drops to $45 OW/$ 80 RT. The roughly 2-hour 1-stop flights price out at $130 OW/$250 RT peak and $85 OW/$150 RT off peak.
On board service: No meals. Free cocktails, beer and wine on peak flights. Off peak flights...cocktails are 2 bucks and beer/wine is a buck. (we appreciate correct change). The "house wine" is Llano blush from Texas' own Llano Estacado winery.....the beer is Lone Star or Coors Light....and the only diet soda is Diet Doctor Pepper.
Flight attendant uniforms: Sorry, no hot pants. This is the 21st century. Winter/Fall: Wrangler jeans, western shirts, and cowboy boots. Summer/Spring: The Wranglers can be cut off to make shorts....a "Pioneer Airlines" tank top style t-shirt and tennis shoes.
AerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3534 times:
Base: Phoenix Sky Harbor (PHX)
Fleet: 6 x MD-80 series jetliner.
Standard 2-3 layout in an all coach arrangment. Navy blue leather seats with red winged headrests.
Snacks will be served on all flights. Include:
Cookies, baked on board.
Hot pocket sandwiches.
Ceasar salad with french roll.
Coca-Cola, Canada Dry ginger ale, V-8 juice, orange juice, apple juice, Colombian coffee.
Blue bowling shirt with airline logo stitched in right chest, name in left chest. Stripes on shoulders indicate seniority. Two stripes otherwise. Three stripes indicate seniority. White stripes are for standard flight attendants, red are for multilingual flight attendants. Khaki slacks.
Winter: Solid red turtleneck and navy blue v-neck sweater. Stripes on sweater cuffs. Houndstooth slacks.
Marketing campaign: "More than you expect, including the whole can of soda."
Our inaugural route will be Ft. Lauderdale, followed by Portland and Sacramento. Then we'll move into Delta territory by debuting the Salt Lake City route.
We would LIKE a cooperative service partnership with Midwest Express to Milwaukee and their network. I believe that it would be of mutual benifit.
DLSIZE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3513 times:
I would start an airline that would be named Sideway Airlines:
As a full-service carrier, Sideway Airlines and its commuter partner operate 272 daily non-stop flights to and from their hub at Raleigh-Durham International Airport. Sideway serves 36 destinations in 19 states. The Company recently took delivery of its tenth Boeing 737-700, creating a fleet of 38 aircraft, including four Fokker F100s, ten Boeing 737-700s and 24 Canadair Regional Jets. Sideway flies one of the youngest all-jet fleets in the world, with an average age of less than three years.
Shamrock104 From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3515 times:
Airline Name: Austral Europe
Base: Strasbourg, France
Busy routes: Newark (more than 2 daily)
Hamburg (more than 5 daily)
Copenhagen (more than 5 daily)
Frankfurt (more than 15 daily)
Boston (more than 2 daily)
Paris (more than 7 daily)
Business Class 'Galaxy' tm - business/first class with extra large personal t.v's/ seat pitch, modern space age interior. on 777's/767's (extra Galaxy capacity on Houston/Evening Departure 18:05 Newark flight).
euro_forum (tm) - on all A300's/757's, extra wide business class seats (even to Moscow,Athens, Copenhagen/Hamburg, Dahran, Kuwait)
europlus economy - on all european flights.
elipse business - on all elipse operated flights, leaves the middle seat free on european flights, provides a free limo for passengers to go to/from any airport served by them in Europe - surely a european first?
Colour Scheme - All white aircraft with light grey underbelly, dark navy tail with large stylised ae logo in white. very stylish.
If you want more info on this virutal airline/it's activities, a brochure showing our paint scheme,perhaps a timetable, send me an e-mail!
Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3492 times:
I would try to work for a large airline such as LH, BA, AF and so on. Starting with one or two planes with maybe 50 seats flying to destinations that offer enough pax. And if that works out I would try to grow out of that position which would be very hard in the market of today. But since my name isn't Sir Richard Branson I have to do it like that. Maybe my airline would make it into the real market with the big ones in about 100 years of business... But if I would make it so far I would want to have a fleet of 737s/A320s for short-haul and a small plane for long-haul, maybe a 767-200 or so.
ERJ135 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 697 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3486 times:
I'd start a modest operation out of Sydney and serve Melbourne, Brisbane, Canberra and Adelaide with a fleet of ERJ regional jets with the object of fast turn around times and high frequency with less seats. An Erj can deplane in far less time than a 737 or anything larger and thereby making turn around faster.
If sucessful the Erjs would be replaced on trunk routes with something like A319's or 717's but in 4 abreast seating like Midwest express offering standard fares but far more service than the majors. The Erj's would be used to expand the network to other destinations until more of the larger aircraft become available.
After a year Qantas would buy me out and the airline would disappear.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3489 times:
Let me think
Naturally my airline will be based at BRS (Bristol International) and i would have priority over other airlines at one space on the apron outside the terminal building, the rest of my aircraft will be parked outside the old terminal building with the BA and Maersk short haul stuff.
So here is the specs:
Base: Bristol Lulsgate
6 Fokker 50's
5 Dornier 328 Jet's
1 Boeing 767-300ER
2 Airbus A321-100 Destinations
Amsterdam(AMS)4xDaily - Codeshare with KLM Cityhopper
Palma de Mallorca (- Son San Juan)(PMI)3xWeekly
R.I.P TWA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3484 times:
85 million? Ok. Lease a couple MD80s, and start flying out of Indianapolis. Only vacation and elderly people regions like TPA, PHX, MSY. Charge low fares (no food, no movies, southwest style) so that the mid-westerner can afford to visit their aging parents in that home in Sarasota, or take that wild vacation to New Orleans. Add MKE if the previous is succesful and start connecting other mid-western cities through Indianapolis to those vacation/elderly destinations. No intl. destinations if I want to make money. Just can't compete with those subsidized foreign carriers.
AerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3460 times:
As far as gate assignments go, I would take an area on the commuter ramp and have all of the passengers deplane airside. That way, they can pick up their luggage after they exit the airstairs, and they can take a covered, portable walkway designed by the airline to the door. No hassle, no wait. Just get your luggage and go.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4923 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3470 times:
My idea for a startup would be similar to what RootsAir WAS aiming for in a business airline, but it would be with a smaller aircraft and much more realistic - a fleet of ten A319 in a one-class 112 seat layout. The airline would fly out of YHM (Hamilton, ON). Costs would be much lower than AC.
Flights out of YHM to LAX, SFO, JFK, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa, Halifax and St. Johns with a daily continuing flight to STN (London Stansted) daily (yes the A319 can do this!). Also a feeder service using 328JET would be used, from places such as Rochester, Syracuse, London, Windsor and Kingston.
Eventually if expanded, it would acquire more A319 for domestic/transborder service and offer nonstop flights to Europe with a 767-200.
I made this idea up for my grade 12 Entreprenurial Studies class...that was about 5 years ago
These are the start up destination, aimed at tapping into the large southern melbourne region, without having to deal with Melbourne-tullamarine.
Colour scheme: Gold/Blue/white
Blue bottom with gold strip at top, white body AustralisWings in large type, Australis in blue wings in gold colouring. Tail is blue ith company logo, the hawk in gold colouing.
But with the industry in australia how it is i dont think this will occur even with $85 mil.
GKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 25306 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3415 times:
Name: NE Airways
Fleet: 2 CRJ-200LRs
NCL-ZRH CRJ 3 Daily codeshare with Swissair
NCL-BFS CRJ 4 Daily
NCL-FRA RJ85 3 Daily codeshare with Lufthansa
NCL-CDG RJ85 3 Daily
NCL-BCN 737 2 Daily
NCL-SVG 737 1 Daily
NCL-OSL 737 1 Daily
NCL-JFK 763 1 Daily codeshare with United Airlines
Plans to buy 2 more 737s and 3 CRJ-200LRs with another 763 on lease.
NCL-MAD 737 Daily x 1
NCL-LIN 737 Daily x 1
NCL-VIE CRJ Daily x 2 codeshare with Lauda Air
NCL-MUC CRJ Daily x 3 codeshare with Lufthansa
NCL-ORD 763 Daily x 1 codeshare with United Airlines.
Last CRJ used as standby a/c.
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
Kwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
I would start with several CRJ-200 or 700 series and fly on the west coast of the US. SFO, LAX would be the hubs with spokes to Salem, Redmond, Pasco, Bakersfield, Stockton and Long beach, Reno, Las Vegas, Fresno etc
DrdrewO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3403 times:
My airline would have like 2 717's and 4 EMB 145's and be based in SNA.
SNA-LAS 2x daily
SNA-San Diego 2x daily
SNA-LAX 2x daily
SNA-Tuscon once every other day
SNA-San Franciso 2x daily
SNA-Oakland 2x daily
Orange Air or Orange County Air