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Westjet Pax Tries To Open Door In Flight  
User currently offlineYZFOO7F From Canada, joined May 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10125 times:

Yet another passenger who wanted out before their final destination:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...-jet-door-mid-flight-97957874.html

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=42df5468&opt=0

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever been on a flight where this has happened? What was the reaction of the rest of the pax/crew in the cabin?


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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9905 times:

Because of the construction of the doors, there is no way it could be opened, unless under 10,000 feet with no pressurization (IIRC). My only concern would be with the emergency exit overwing doors...is there a remote possibility those upward swinging doors could be successfully opened in flight?

Hope this woman gets the psychiatric help she obviously needs. More importantly, I hope the rest of the passengers were not badly traumatized by this unnecessary event.

Glad the plane landed without futher incident.



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9903 times:

Of the two links, one mentions that the passenger tried to open a "door" while the other mentions a "door hatch".....where do these terms get picked up from...? It should be just "door" right? The word 'hatch' makes it sound (to the uninformed) that there is a smaller opening somewhere in the cabin, which the passenger may have tried to open....

Although most a.netters know by now that it is almost impossible for a passenger to actually open a door in mid-flight, I'm sure it must be a very scary experience....especially, because you don't know what this sort of passenger may resort to, once he/she realises that they can't open the door...

Will this lady go on the no-fly list...?


User currently offlineYZFOO7F From Canada, joined May 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9784 times:

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 1):
is there a remote possibility those upward swinging doors could be successfully opened in flight?

The overwing exits are still of the plug-type which is the reason that these doors are impossible to open in-flight, so my guess would be not a chance.



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9742 times:

I'm guessing that she used her right arm to try and open the door, as her left elbow was sore from constant lifting.   

User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9663 times:

Quoting YZFOO7F (Reply 3):

The overwing exits are still of the plug-type which is the reason that these doors are impossible to open in-flight, so my guess would be not a chance.

How does that work on the 737NG which is hinged in the top? AFAIK you don't have to pull it into the cabin before it swings up. There is propably a pressure difference lock, but I would like to know.

/Lars



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User currently offlinerailker From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9602 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 5):
There is propably a pressure difference lock, but I would like to know.

Or maybe there's a lock that's rigged through the Air-Ground sensor on the landing gear, can only pop them open if there's weight on the MLG ... I'd like to know too ^.^

EDIT:: Just had a look on the B737.org.uk site, made a note there ...

"On the NG, it is not uncommon to get an overwing caption illuminate for a fraction of a second as you start the take-off run. This is due to the overwing exit automatic locking function being slightly slow."

Sounds like it's rigged to throttles?

[Edited 2010-07-08 12:12:23]

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9581 times:

Quoting railker (Reply 6):
can only pop them open if there's weight on the MLG

But that wouldn't be right. What happens if the aircraft has to ditch? Pax will have to use the over wing exits.....



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User currently offlinerailker From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9565 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 7):

But that wouldn't be right. What happens if the aircraft has to ditch? Pax will have to use the over wing exits.....

Ahh, very true. Though a quick look around, found an answer ...

B737 NG Overwing Exit Lock (by MarkHKG Sep 17 2006 in Tech Ops)


User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Would the pressure lock go as well with CRJ-900's and 200's and any other exit/entry door that swings out ?

This is a very interesting off topic. wrong forum I am sure, but relates to the topic.


User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

What do these folks think they are going to do if the door actually opened, do a little shopping on the way home?

User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7144 times:

Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 10):
What do these folks think they are going to do if the door actually opened, do a little shopping on the way home?

People that are panicking (not euphemistic panic, but the real psychological condition) don't think at all, in the sense you're talking about. If you've never seen it happen to somebody before, it's hard to explain, but once you've seen it for real it wouldn't surprise you at all. Someone who's panicking can't be reasoned with, by themselves or anyone else, until the threat causing the panic goes away.

Tom.


User currently offlineosetka From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

It has happened to me, in a more non aggressive way, on a AC Jazz CRJ flight from YYC to YZF. A women in her 40's kept getting up and walked towards the Door. On the CRJ, they at times have a cur ton over the door, so this passenger would keep pulling the cur ton open and seemed as she wanted to open the door. The Flight attendant kept sending her back to her seat, but again she kept getting up and went straight to the door. She would look at the door as if she wanted to open it. She did this about 3-4 times during the flight and other passengers got involved. The flight attendant then relocated her seat which made her sit at a window further back, and had another passenger seat at the isle seat beside her to prevent her from getting up. When we talked to the flight attendant, she told us how she kept asking "are we here?" and how she wanted to get off. Now luckily she never had the chance to try and open the door or was aggressive in anyway, but it got me worried and glad to see the two passengers in front row assist the FA.

User currently offlineDuckRedbeard From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4529 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 5):
How does that work on the 737NG which is hinged in the top?

The 737 uses a solenoid lock that is energized anytime the onside engine has oil pressure. If that engine is running, you aren't getting that door open.


User currently offlinerailker From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 11):

That's very true. Even smaller things, you can experience it yourself. You know you should stop, drop and roll if you're on fire. But when you're actually on fire, if you're not on top of yourself and start panicking, then you forget t do that. In any emergency situation, most people KNOW what to do. But once it's on you and you start to panic, all that goes out the window, you revert to primate instincts.

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 2):

There is that factor, too. We all know she wouldn't have been able to haul the door open. But what about all those passengers who don't know that. In reality, if they knew as well, everyone could just let her have a go and sip at some warm tea while she tries. But then what would happen if she realized she couldn't get it open? Maybe a complete melt down, maybe nothing ... and then there's the effect on the other passengers, their fears.

In any case, kudos for the crew being on their toes and helping out this woman.


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