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ANA 1st Airline To Serve Draft Beers  
User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10036 times:

http://airlineroute.net/2010/07/08/nh-beerkeg/#more-22620

ANA is going to start serving draft beers:

Quote:
ANA today announced that it is the world’s first carrier to offer draft beer keg service on board. From 20JUL10, draft beer keg service is available on domestic routes.

From 20JUL10, service operates on following routes will offer draft beer keg service:

Tokyo Haneda – Fukuoka (after 1700LT)
Tokyo Haneda – Sapporo Chitose (after 1700LT)
Tokyo Haneda – Okinawa
Osaka Itami – Okinawa
Osaka Kansai – Okinawa
Nagoya – Okinawa
Fukuoka – Okinawa

Each costs 1000 Yen, only 20 cups available per flight, except Tokyo – Okinawa with flight operated by 777/747 service offering 40 cups.

Another short article said that beer on tap had never been served because high pressure gas cylinders are not allowed on airplanes. So did they create a new beer-pouring technology?

How popular do you think this will be and how soon until somebody else taps into this service? No pun intended.

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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10034 times:

I take it the Japanese like to get drunk en route to Okinawa?  .

What a fantastic idea. I can just imagine them offering this on a New York-Vegas evening flight - 40 cups would be sold out after just 5 or 10 rows!



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9940 times:

I had thought back in the 70s when Continental introduced the DC-10 their on-board "pub" featured draft beer.


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9832 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Thread starter):
Another short article said that beer on tap had never been served because high pressure gas cylinders are not allowed on airplanes. So did they create a new beer-pouring technology?

You don't need a high pressure gas cylinder to operate a beer tap. My guess is it's a small keg with a hand powered pump, similar to what you use with a keg for home use.



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User currently offlinebigvince76 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9738 times:

£7.50 a cup? hope it's a big one!

User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9647 times:

TWA also loaded small kegs on their bars midway in coach on the 707's

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Quoting bigvince76 (Reply 4):
£7.50 a cup? hope it's a big one!

In my experience, that's similar to what a pint goes for in a Japanese pub. I wonder what they're serving?



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9408 times:

Interesting! I wonder if an airline like EZY or FR might try something like this...?

User currently offlinejlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9341 times:

How is the altitude going to affect the beer from a foam and taste perspective?


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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 6):
In my experience, that's similar to what a pint goes for in a Japanese pub.

Japanese pub prices for a large beer are at 500 Yen each.
A can in the supermarket goes for aroudn 200~250 Yen.



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User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 8):
How is the altitude going to affect the beer from a foam and taste perspective?

Good question, without the gas it'll likely be a bit more foamy. I'm curious if there are any weight savings if they don't have to stock cans? Or is it just a novelty item?


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9003 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 9):
Japanese pub prices for a large beer are at 500 Yen each.
A can in the supermarket goes for aroudn 200~250 Yen.

I saw 900 yen for a pint and 400ish when I was in Tokyo, Kyoto and Hiroshima in December.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2605 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8985 times:
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Quoting 777STL (Reply 6):
In my experience, that's similar to what a pint goes for in a Japanese pub. I wonder what they're serving?

Well I am sure they are going to serve the same one they do now...
Maybe they are going to try and get a cheaper deal from what they have now and have an open tender for the beer?


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
I can just imagine them offering this on a New York-Vegas evening flight - 40 cups would be sold out after just 5 or 10 rows!

You're apparently unfamiliar with the beer drinking habits of the Japanese. Americans have got nothing on them. They drink beer instead of water in many cases.

When I took the shinkansen a few weeks ago, almost every passenger in the car cracked a beer as soon as they sat down. It was almost comical; you could almost count how many people got on at a given stop by the number of times you heard the "pssssssht" of a can opening afterwards.

I think the only way the 20 cup limit is going to not result in riots on these planes is the ridiculously high price tag. In fact, one thing I hate about the Japanese beer habit is that they do put a lot of importance on price. There's a whole category of beer that's got slightly less alcohol in it just so that it doesn't fall under the "beer tax" - and it's very popular for that reason.

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 8):
How is the altitude going to affect the beer from a foam and taste perspective?

Probably not much... they do drink beer in the mountains and nobody much complains. It's the same thing.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 12):
Well I am sure they are going to serve the same one they do now...

And what is that? Kirin? Sapporo?



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5246 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8915 times:

They're definitely not the first. I distinctly remember SR announcing the fact that they would be serving draft beer in business class at some point during the airline's final years.


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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8893 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 11):

I saw 900 yen for a pint and 400ish when I was in Tokyo, Kyoto and Hiroshima in December.

Can be, for sure. But it's not a regular price tag for the beers in bars in Japan, even not in downtown Tokyo (btw, visiting Japan numerous times per year  ) But I guess in very touristic/foreigners areas, prices might go up a little bit more.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2605 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8866 times:
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Quoting 777STL (Reply 14):
And what is that? Kirin? Sapporo?

Actually that is a good question, also do airlines have a special deal with beer/wine companies like they have with Coke vs Pepsi or does it work differently?


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8778 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 17):
Actually that is a good question, also do airlines have a special deal with beer/wine companies like they have with Coke vs Pepsi or does it work differently?

Probably different in Japan vs. the USA, but it seems like ANA has different brands of beer and they do not promote them at all. (Which is to say, there's no "ANA proudly serves Kirin beer" or whatever.) Here: http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/dms/svc/premiumclass/pc_meal1.html

The small pic on the bottom shows all the brands of beer they carry, plus the three types of wine. I told you the Japanese like their beer!



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User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

Of course, real beer doesn't have 'foam' and isn't fizzy or yellow, so I wish BA could serve real ale, rather than Fuller's London Pride (if that's what they still serve)... Give 'em a real taste of Britain - at least then it would be real draught, and not even need to be pressurised, just in a pressure-capable container, and kept a a nice steady 61F/16'C (or 'warm') as the Americans would call it!

Yes, I am a member of CAMRA...

..that's the Campaign for Real Ale to our non-british friends...



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User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 19):
Of course, real beer doesn't have 'foam' and isn't fizzy or yellow, so I wish BA could serve real ale, rather than Fuller's London Pride (if that's what they still serve)... Give 'em a real taste of Britain - at least then it would be real draught, and not even need to be pressurised, just in a pressure-capable container, and kept a a nice steady 61F/16'C (or 'warm') as the Americans would call it!

That will happen when Aer Lingus start serving draft Guinness on their flights!!


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

Great idea and I hope it catches on. My preferred Japanese beer though is Asahi

User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

That part of ther world doesn't even know what real beer is. I can imagine this 'draft beer' (note the American spelling of draught) being that yellow lager muck that resembles p**s.


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9330 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7177 times:

Definately not the first airline to serve draft beer.

I flew, in the late 80s and early 90s, several times with NW from Germany to the US, FRA-BOS for instance. In business, when service started, the purser put a keg on a table with fresh German beer, still chilled. That was standard on NW.



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User currently offlinebuslover From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

When Lufthansa started 747 Service to JFK and ORD, draft beer was served in the bar upstairs. This was part of the so called "Bauernservice", which featured Bavarian type specialities.

I once was "showered", when I came back from downstairs and the steward didn't manage to open the small barrel correctly, so I went back to my seat in the cockpit smelling like a drunkard!



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25 Post contains images UA2162 : Billy Beer? j
26 PM : Correct. And I remember drinking it.
27 Post contains images oldeuropean : Lufthansa already did offer draft beer in "Senator Class" on board of their L.1649A Starliners in the 50th. So, we see some bad investigation by ANA,
28 Post contains images PanHAM : ......and they had a cook preparing fresh meals on the Connies as well, plus full linen service. They don't even have that on the A380 , the beds are
29 lukeyboy95 : Great idea. And many people who fly will be willing to fork out for this so long as it is well poured, lines regularly cleaned and the beer is ice coo
30 spacecadet : You realize that "yellow lager muck" comes from Europe, right? You really don't want to get someone of German descent started on what constitutes "re
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