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LGA To Vienna Charter (US-RUS Spy Swap)  
User currently offlineKITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

Although it is a charter flight, I am surprised to see a 767-200 from LaGuardia (LGA) to Vienna (LOWW) this evening.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N766VA

The news here is that the ten Russian "spies" are being flown on a charter aircraft to Vienna, they all pleaded guilty in a New York City courthouse earlier today.

A 767-200 for ten people! Anyone think it is just a coincidence? What is "vision air?"

-Matt in KITH

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25356 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7255 times:

Yes the 10 Russian spies have been "deported" after pleading guilty.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38122348/ns/us_news-security/



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

Vision Air,... Google and you might find results about suspected CIA flights and Vision Air. Sights of their planes have been also in e.g. SNN, accompanied by arrivals of USAF aircrafts etc, as well in BTS


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 2):
Vision Air,... Google and you might find results about suspected CIA flights and Vision Air.

I believe those planes are based at IAD, and they are used for various government work.



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User currently offlinef16arm From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

Question, is that the longest flight from LGA ever?   


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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6855 times:

Quoting f16arm (Reply 4):

Is it legal? I thought from LGA, you were only allowed to fly a certain distance?   



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 5):
Is it legal? I thought from LGA, you were only allowed to fly a certain distance?

Me thinks the govermenent, especially on something like this can bend the rules. Be great to see a video of a 767 taking off from LGA.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6775 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 5):
Is it legal? I thought from LGA, you were only allowed to fly a certain distance?

On scheduled revenue flights yes...........charters no



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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

http://orf.at/

Homepage of Austrian broadcaster ORF shows a pic of the Vision Air tail at VIE in their headline as of 1340 hrs CEDT (0740 hrs EDT, 0440 PDT).



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 2):
Vision Air,... Google and you might find results about suspected CIA flights and Vision Air.

I believe those planes are based at IAD, and they are used for various government work.

Interesting. I joked in this other active thread that N766VA (Vision Airlines 767-200) must like Russians because it landed at SFO just before Russian President Dmitry Medvedev arrived on 6/22 and took off soon after. N766VA is the same plane that took the Russian spies to VIE and is taking the Western spies from there.

Its presence at SFO is starting to make more sense. Perhaps it was carrying security, press, or diplomats for Medvedev's visit.

http://www.jeffsfo.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/visionn766vaan124-700w.jpg


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6609 times:

Perhaps this would be a good time for Vision to change branding or at least repaint the aircraft in question, since it has been all over the news this morning. I can't imagine the CIA would be too happy with that.


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User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

Quoting f16arm (Reply 4):
Question, is that the longest flight from LGA ever?

What is the runway length required for a 767 on a profile such as LGA-VIE with flight deck crew, a few cabin crew, 10 or so 'passengers' and a few federal cops on board. Probably only hand luggage ..



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User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

An eight hour transatlantic flight out of LGA on a Boeing 762 is really unique. One has to realize LaGuardia's runways are only 7,000 ft. with a twin-tandem weight bearing capacity of 360,000 lbs. due to the piers. It would be interesting to know what their gross take-off weight was.

User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6094 times:

What if any terminal did they leave from? General aviation?

Very tricky going to LGA. Nobody would have suspected it.

I don't think Vision needs to repaint its planes. They do government missions in plain sight, just like the EG&G aircraft and to some extent the military airlift contractors.

In the old days, Southern Air Transport was rumoured to do these kind of missions for the government.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25356 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6048 times:

Courtesy of the LA Times. Yak-42 and 767 making the transfer in Vienna




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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6021 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
I can't imagine the CIA would be too happy with that.

Don't worry for the CIA, they have far less photogenic aircraft where one is challenged to read even the registration unless one happens to be close by.
If anything, I would guess they picked Vision Air on purpose because it is already a well-known government missions aircraft and they knew press would be all over this, as opposed to picking another aircraft that is far more discrete but would have its cover blown (no pun intended) on such a high-profile mission.



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User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6762 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 12):
An eight hour transatlantic flight out of LGA on a Boeing 762 is really unique. One has to realize LaGuardia's runways are only 7,000 ft. with a twin-tandem weight bearing capacity of 360,000 lbs. due to the piers. It would be interesting to know what their gross take-off weight was.

It's not that surprising, though. The MTOW of the 767-200ER is only 395,000 lbs., the aircraft was certainly far from full, and NYC-VIE is well under the max range of the 762ER.


User currently offlineaussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5838 times:

What's interesting is that it's returning into IAD after a stop in RAF Brize Norton. I would have thought that they'd bring them back into Andrews AFB or something given that they are deemed to be spy's.

User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5753 times:
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They're being settled in England, not the US.


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5731 times:

Quoting f16arm (Reply 4):
Question, is that the longest flight from LGA ever?

Mr Trump has flown to Scotland from LGA with his 727-100 on occasion.



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User currently offlineaussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5650 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 18):
They're being settled in England, not the US.

Then why would it be stopping in IAD before then continuing back down to MIA? Don't get me wrong, flightaware has been wrong before.... I know, shocking, but still....  


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25300 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Quoting aussieindc (Reply 20):
Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 18):
They're being settled in England, not the US.


Then why would it be stopping in IAD before then continuing back down to MIA? Don't get me wrong, flightaware has been wrong before.... I know, shocking, but still....

According to the Washington Post, 2 of the 4 Russians deplaned during the UK stop and 2 continued to the US.


User currently onlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Quoting KITH (Thread starter):
A 767-200 for ten people! Anyone think it is just a coincidence? What is "vision air?"

This caught my attention as well. Not to get into politics, since this is an aviation forum, but this seems to be a huge waste of money the round trip for 767 must be about 200K .
They could have used a military exec jet.
On the other hand I did not know that LGA runway was long enough to handle 767, when I go there on MD80 or A320 it always seems that we are going to overrun the runway...


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4874 times:
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Quoting WROORD (Reply 22):
They could have used a military exec jet.

Because millitary jets are free?

L1011's used to fly LGA to Florida all the time - so I am not sure why a 67-200 is so shocking.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25300 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 23):
L1011's used to fly LGA to Florida all the time - so I am not sure why a 67-200 is so shocking.

DC-10s were also common at LGA in the 1970s and 80s. Both the DC-10-10 and L-1011-1 were designed to be able to use LGA. UA, AA and National used the DC-10 at LGA and Eastern, TWA and DL used the L-1011. Eastern and Pan Am also used the A300. 767s were also once common at LGA. I think my first flight on a 767 was on a UA 762 LGA-ORD in 1982, soon after they went into service. In July 1983 schedules there were 11 daily 762s on UA and AA combined LGA-ORD, also one AA DC-10.

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25 jfk777 : WE all know those DELTA, Eastern, AA and TWA DC-10's and L-1011's took off for Miami, Florida, DFW and ORD. That is not ALL the way to Vienna though.
26 B707forever : Yep, I've flown AA DC-10 and 767, DL L-1011 and 767 from LGA back in the day. No big deal at all for the "Vision Air" 767-200 to do it, especially wit
27 spacecadet : I used to watch 767-400's take off from LGA all the time...
28 WROORD : Because it would cost less than 767 round trip.
29 BoeingVista : Two of the 4 spys held in Russia were MI6 subbies allegedly. it looks like a job lot of spys exchanged to get rid of all sides embarrassments
30 thegman : The wikipedia article on the exchange says a fuel stop was made at BGR.
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