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AA Applies For DFW-GIG Nonstop B763  
User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11703 times:

It is reported in Brazil media that AA yesterday applied for DOT to authorise the airline to fly DFW-GIG nonstop 3 weekly B763 starting 18 December 2010.

AA DFW -GIG comes in the wake of the airline succesful application for 11 new frequencies to Brazil: JFK-GIG daily B763 and MIA-BSB 4 weekly B757.

DFW-GIG would connect GIG with AA premier Asian connection hub in DFW given the fact that MIA has limited connections to Asia. This will certainly boost and consolidate AA presence in GIG.

http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...nstop-entre-dallas-e-rj_59475.html

Draft schedule -

AA251 DFW 1945 GIG 1025+1 -2-4-6- B763
AA250 GIG 2315 DFW 0625+1 -3-5-7 B763

In case of DOT approval, this would increase AA presence in GIG from 12 weekly flights to 15 weekly dedicated flights (MIA, JFK, DFW) as of December 2010 (18 weekly taking into account AA operates 10 weekly MIA-GIG seasonal).

AA already flies DFW-GRU daily B772.

Rgs,

[Edited 2010-07-09 03:07:22]

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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11795 times:

"Após ganhar as 11 frequências que havia solicitado ao Departamento de Transportes dos Estados Unidos (DOT), a American Airlines fez hoje um novo pedido ao órgão: a operação de um voo nonstop de Dallas (Fort Worth) para o Rio de Janeiro, que teria três frequências por semana e seria iniciado em 18 de novembro."

Muito, muito bom. Bom trabalho e boa sorte, AA!

When will the DOT release its decision to award the route? For the experts out there, how do you think it will fare, if awarded, against CO's existing daily flight IAH-GIG?



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11751 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 1):
against CO's existing daily flight IAH-GIG?

No doubt competition is increasing in GIG, over the last few months we saw many new dedicated services including CO IAH-GIG B764 daily; US CLT-GIG B763 daily; AA JFK-GIG B763 to start in December. Lets wait and see DL reaction because DL has been one of the first to pave the way for added GIG service with its pioneer ATL-GIG service.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11698 times:
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That's good news. We discussed it before but the previous thread lack the link to the source.
This is the official document from DOT website

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...#documentDetail?R=0900006480b15605

The Rio de Janeiro airport even with this operation will be able just to see the same level of activity as of January 2000, which is a very good and strong recovery after being limited to just 1 daily AA flight to MIA. Good to see that the only airline that always serviced Rio with non-stop to the United States, is now able to offer it's 3 gateways with focus to Latin America, the same way they offer to Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.

Texas have a lot of business with operations in Brazil and even considering oil & gas, many out of Houston.



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11653 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Good to see that the only airline that always serviced Rio with non-stop to the United States, is now able to offer it's 3 gateways with focus to Latin America, the same way they offer to Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.

Texas have a lot of business with operations in Brazil and even considering oil & gas, many out of Houston.

Correct, Lipe. In fact more important than the O&D is the fact this this DFW service by AA will connect GIG with AA no. 1 hub therefore allowing for an immense number of connections. I guess more than 90% of traffic will be connection beyond DFW to anywhere in the world. This new flight will play a significant role in GIG development as it will open a major gateway to the connections already available in GIG.

Rgs,


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11631 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
That's good news. We discussed it before but the previous thread lack the link to the source.
This is the official document from DOT website

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...15605

From the DOT document-

Behind DFW, American will offer convenient on-line
roundtrip connections to a number of major U.S. cities,
including Albuquerque, Austin, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland,
Denver, Detroit, Houston, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Los Angeles,
Minneapolis/St. Paul, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, St.
Louis, Salt Lake City, San Antonio, San Diego, San Francisco,
and Seattle. American recently entered into a codeshare
alliance with Gol, Brazil’s largest carrier (DOT-OST-2010-
0009), and will offer AA* service on Gol beyond Rio de Janeiro
to other cities in Brazil.


Rgs,


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7498 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11555 times:

Excellent news. 3x a week seems just right for this flight (at least for now).

The route is as good as AA's. There is no way the DOT could side with DL on this one.



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User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11509 times:
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I started the original thread, but - oops - forgot to post the source! My bad.

I agree, AA will be awarded these frequencies. Always like seeing international expansion from AA at DFW.


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11479 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 8):
I started the original thread, but - oops - forgot to post the source! My bad.

I searched on a.net and could not find the news before I posted. Sorry.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Excellent news. 3x a week seems just right for this flight (at least for now).

The route is as good as AA's. There is no way the DOT could side with DL on this one.

Well, DL is quite unpredictable. What about DL filling for additional 3 weekly ATL-GIG or even LAX/JFK-GIG?

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11433 times:
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Quoting AABB777 (Reply 8):
I started the original thread, but - oops - forgot to post the source! My bad.



No problem, it happens.
(talking as Moderator)

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 9):
I searched on a.net and could not find the news before I posted. Sorry



You're totally correct and the thread is 100% under A.net rules
(talking as Moderator)

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Excellent news. 3x a week seems just right for this flight (at least for now).



I agree, but i believe AA will be surprised as this flight will make easier connections for people from West Coast and mid-west. I see a good potential here that CO is not able to cover 100% with IAH-GIG

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 6):
From the DOT document-

Behind DFW, American will offer convenient on-line
roundtrip connections to a number of major U.S. cities



Thanks for the remark and i believe the big origin will be... IAH

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 5):
Correct, Lipe. In fact more important than the O&D is the fact this this DFW service by AA will connect GIG with AA no. 1 hub therefore allowing for an immense number of connections. I guess more than 90% of traffic will be connection beyond DFW to anywhere in the world. This new flight will play a significant role in GIG development as it will open a major gateway to the connections already available in GIG.



Agree 100%

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 8):
I agree, AA will be awarded these frequencies. Always like seeing international expansion from AA at DFW.



No doubt. AA is competing against a pure change of frequencies from DL, not even a new request. And AA application can't use DL old frequencies which are restricted.
DL need to learn that will not increase their presence in Brazil before October 2011 if they do not accept to serve other markets than Sao Paulo. And they keep insisting with this... good for AA that will solidify even more their market share.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7498 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11386 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 8):
What about DL filling for additional 3 weekly ATL-GIG or even LAX/JFK-GIG?

ATL-GIG would not win over this one because DFW-GIG is a new market. ATL-GIG is already served.

DL couldnt make LAX-GRU work, there is absolutely no way LAX-GIG would work. An easier way to lose money would be simply handing it out on a street corner. The DOT would see through that.

I also dont see DL applying for 3x weekly JFK-GIG. They would be up against daily AA and TAM. They wouldnt survive the market.

No, Im afraid AA all but has this in the bag if they want it.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11284 times:

DFW-GIG is good news to all those Oil-related AAdvantage members who currently travel GIG-MIA-IAH.
But after DFW-GIG, there are not that many extremely good routes - and easy to cover in short notice - between AA hubs/focus airports and Brazil left to cover.
Maybe MIA-FOR, FLL-VCP (!) ?



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11227 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):

Thanks for the remark and i believe the big origin will be... IAH

Sorry, can you clarify/elaborate on what you mean by this? Thanks!

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
An easier way to lose money would be simply handing it out on a street corner.

Hahah.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
I also dont see DL applying for 3x weekly JFK-GIG. They would be up against daily AA and TAM. They wouldnt survive the market.

Yup. DL tried and failed on JFK-EZE as well.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11221 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
ATL-GIG would not win over this one because DFW-GIG is a new market. ATL-GIG is already served.

Correct. DL only chance would be DTW-GIG with a leg to Sao Paulo which would be in accodance with the requirements (Sao Paulo can be the final destination, but not the first stop in Brazil). They could do that and in 1 or 2 years, justify a change on the stops.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 11):
DFW-GIG is good news to all those Oil-related AAdvantage members who currently travel GIG-MIA-IAH.

I can say that it's probably a sizeable market. End of may i flew from IAH to GIG and right before me on the First Class counters another passenger checked-in for GIG also on Business (how do i know...) he travel on IAH-MIA and MIA-GIG also!
Oil industry keep growing a lot.. this week we have the good news that FMC Tech will establish a "World-Class" R&D Center in Rio de Janeiro creating qualified jobs (no doubt about their high qualification). Rio is becoming a major R&D Center for Deep Oil Technology with 7 announcements during the past months, all from major oil firms (Petrobras of course have a giant R&D facility in Rio with more than 1,500 jobs, currently being prepared for a 150% area increase)

http://ir.fmctechnologies.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=485343


Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
I also dont see DL applying for 3x weekly JFK-GIG. They would be up against daily AA and TAM. They wouldnt survive the market.

They lose the timing for JFK-GIG. Now the market is covered by AA and JJ as you said. The only other player that can make NYC city work to Rio is CO thru EWR and using a smaller 762.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 11):
Maybe MIA-FOR, FLL-VCP (!) ?

MIA-FOR probably was considered by AA, but i believe will be covered in 2011. FLL-VCP ? No way.
AA could look to VCP but i believe that they look into Sao Paulo as well covered and with any addition (like GIG and BSB), they would have extra room to cover the growing of the huge Sao Paulo demand.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11198 times:

Would that mean that Brazil has pretty much given-up the Bio-Fuels research? All that exitement makes it look like it's happening.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
Oil industry keep growing a lot.. this week we have the good news that FMC Tech will establish a "World-Class" R&D Center in Rio de Janeiro creating qualified jobs (no doubt about their high qualification). Rio is becoming a major R&D Center for Deep Oil Technology with 7 announcements during the past months, all from major oil firms (Petrobras of course have a giant R&D facility in Rio with more than 1,500 jobs, currently being prepared for a 150% area increase)

Back to the original subject: Could AA increase the DFW-GIG frequency, if needed, even if seasonally?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11158 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 14):
Would that mean that Brazil has pretty much given-up the Bio-Fuels research? All that exitement makes it look like it's happening.

No no, the biofuel research continues but it's more spead over the country. Unicamp, near VCP, and USP, from Sao Paulo are also very strong on Bio-Fuels.
UFRJ (Rio Federal University) is just taking advantage of Petrobras Cenpes to upgrade the University Tech Area to a World Class scenario on oil & gas R&D, but it's not the only area of research.
Read this for further info on UFRJ and Coppe programs : http://www.coppe.ufrj.br/
This for Unicamp: http://www.unicamp.br/unicamp/ensino-pesquisa-e-extensao/pesquisa
This for USP : http://www4.usp.br/

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 14):
Back to the original subject: Could AA increase the DFW-GIG frequency, if needed, even if seasonally?

Lets wait and see how the flight performs but i believe any seasonal increase will be made on MIA-GIG as they can take advantage of both ways seasonal demand (Rio-MIA/MCO, and US-Rio).



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
DL only chance would be DTW-GIG with a leg to Sao Paulo which would be in accodance with the requirements (Sao Paulo can be the final destination, but not the first stop in Brazil).

I'm sorry. but your mistaken there. That liberty is allowed only to Brazilian carriers. US carriers may not use those frequencies to GRU under any circumstance.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 14):
Could AA increase the DFW-GIG frequency, if needed, even if seasonally?

Yes, AA can use extra-bilateral frequencies during the high season just like any other airline in the US-Brazil market.


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11007 times:
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Totally off the subject...... But we had a senior VP for AA the other day on our flight to CUN and had the oportunity to talk to him for a while.... Several items were discussed..... Its a short flight so there was not a lot of time to chat, but of what was discussed:

First, he was on his way to Cun to set up what they hope will be the next mexican station for AA, Merida. He was going to meet with city officials check hotels and such. No definite date was mentioned as to start of ops there.
He moved on to mention several other destinations that will join Miami as soon as airplanes become available. BCN, COR, and ASU nonstop from MIA on 767 were mentioned.

As for a merger with another carrier...... The name of the other lone standing carrier (thinking CO and UA will merge) came up and he said absolutely no merger with that carrier, as it has nothing to offer AA.... I hope they finally learned after TW.

And that brought us to the subject of aircraft availability. And he mentioned that it was very possible that we may lease airplanes in the interim while new ac are acquired and join the fleet.

Again no definte plans were discussed, this was just general information volunteered........


User currently offlineSATexan From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

I need to get upto speed on the recent US-Brazil awards but can anyone quickly tell me if AA gets these frequencies to start DFW-GIG, can they move them to start MIA-FOR/MAO should DFW-GIG not be successful? Are these new frequencies portable at all?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10957 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16):
I'm sorry. but your mistaken there. That liberty is allowed only to Brazilian carriers. US carriers may not use those frequencies to GRU under any circumstance.

You're 100% correct and i got wrong the terms of the bilateral.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16):
Yes, AA can use extra-bilateral frequencies during the high season just like any other airline in the US-Brazil market

But as i mentioned, i doubt they would put 4 extra flights from DFW. Any seasonal addition in my view will continue to be from MIA as it's the place where the Brazilian origin market looks for.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10941 times:
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Quoting SATexan (Reply 18):
I need to get upto speed on the recent US-Brazil awards but can anyone quickly tell me if AA gets these frequencies to start DFW-GIG, can they move them to start MIA-FOR/MAO should DFW-GIG not be successful? Are these new frequencies portable at all?

Yes, the frequencies are "portable" to any place with the exception of Sao Paulo.

Quoting aacun (Reply 17):
He moved on to mention several other destinations that will join Miami as soon as airplanes become available. BCN, COR, and ASU nonstop from MIA on 767 were mentioned.

That's interesting. MIA-COR and MIA-ASU would be fantastic. At this point i believe they can try to run JFK-GIG-ASU allowing ASU passengers to access MIA and DFW flights.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10906 times:

Quoting aacun (Reply 17):
First, he was on his way to Cun to set up what they hope will be the next mexican station for AA, Merida. He was going to meet with city officials check hotels and such. No definite date was mentioned as to start of ops there.
He moved on to mention several other destinations that will join Miami as soon as airplanes become available. BCN, COR, and ASU nonstop from MIA on 767 were mentioned.

  

Also hearing that in addition to BCN there will be another Europe route, and I'm thinking its Manchester or Milan.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10821 times:

Quoting SATexan (Reply 18):
I need to get upto speed on the recent US-Brazil awards but can anyone quickly tell me if AA gets these frequencies to start DFW-GIG, can they move them to start MIA-FOR/MAO should DFW-GIG not be successful?

Yes, but any change can be subject to objections from other carriers.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10791 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 22):
Quoting SATexan (Reply 18):
I need to get upto speed on the recent US-Brazil awards but can anyone quickly tell me if AA gets these frequencies to start DFW-GIG, can they move them to start MIA-FOR/MAO should DFW-GIG not be successful?

Yes, but any change can be subject to objections from other carriers.

No, these frequencies are freely transferable.

Certain older Brazil-U.S. frequencies are subject to objections (even then, most of those have been lifted since AA, DL and UA in the past filed to have the restrictions lifted), but not these. AA can use these wherever it wants except GRU, and no carrier can object. And the frequencies can be used to GRU in the future when those restrictions are lifted.

That is why DL also wants the frequencies - they will not be locked into ATL-MAO/BSB.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10720 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
No, these frequencies are freely transferable.

So, when it was about DL and the LAX-GRU frequencies, AA could object, but when it's the other way around, it's not possible anymore. Interesting... You even mentioned the JFK-BOG case...

Delta Applies For DTW-GRU (by mah4546 Apr 8 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting MAH4546:
Same reason it objected to, and successfully blocked, Delta's transfer of JFKBOG frequncies to ATLBOG: it could potentially lock Delta into the market. But it would have required AA asking to use them somewhere.

It's not like that whole story about streamlining regulatory procedures has been approved yet. The DOT hasn't issued a NOAT or even an answer to all the requests for the new procedures to be applied to frequency-limited markets. Is there something further to it that I don't know?

[Edited 2010-07-09 14:01:40]

25 LipeGIG : Perfect, they only need to move them when they want. That's why i don't understand US approach... they have such frequencies, don't know why they wen
26 MAH4546 : The thing you don't know is that all Brazil frequencies created in 2008 and later do not have city-pair restrictions beyond the initial restriction.
27 SATexan : Great! AA can use these frequencies to their best economic interests outside of GRU though in the longer run I think DFW-GIG will do well.
28 2travel2know2 : IMHO, AA won't go up to DFW-GIG in the near future, but an extra flight Xmas season might be money in the bank.
29 Post contains links C010T3 : It's pretty much the other way around as it seems. The following order gave the flexibility to AA, UA, DL and CO for the original 105 frequencies: 20
30 LipeGIG : No doubt one or two additional flights might be interesting. AA still have unused frequencies that they can use to increase services. From the origin
31 AF086 : Given the strong cargo numbers on the DFW-GRU service, I wonder if they will be also good on this new serivce to GIG. Also does anyone know roughly th
32 LipeGIG : That's for sure a good point when LF got higher on DFW-GRU. Plus, there's a lot of cargo from Texas (specially IAH area) coming to GIG and Macae for
33 hardiwv : Cargo is an important component of AA DFW-GRU and I agree it will also play an important role on DFW-GIG. With the high competition and current fare
34 LipeGIG : Agreed, and as i mentioned, with more passengers capacity for cargo decrease, for cargo demand also grows. AA runs very good cargo operations out of
35 hardiwv : DFW-GRU also has a very small O&D market. As I mentioned above, DFW will mainly serve to provide GIG with worldwide connectivity plus boost cargo
36 LipeGIG : No doubt as DFW is AA largest hub. Further, DFW will provide better coverage for LAX and SFO markets, two good O&D markets to GIG with something
37 hardiwv : My bets are on AA transforming DFW-GIG daily. They will quickly find out that MIA-GIG and JFK-GIG will be taken by O&D, while they need to feed G
38 LAXdude1023 : DFW-GRU is much larger than DFW-GIG. DFW-GRU is actually larger than IAH-GRU. Of course its all about connections for DFW-GIG.
39 hardiwv : Thanks, I had not time to look at figures, but had no idea DFW-GRU O&D market was so large since I cannot see much business or VFR traffic for su
40 LAXdude1023 : Its not large per se. It is just larger than IAH-GRU. But niether would fill a ERJ with O&D.
41 SCL767 : That would be awesome when MIA finally gets a non-stop to Córdoba. It looks like the new daylight B777 flights between MIA and EZE will become year-
42 hardiwv : I thought so. The same way AA has very successful operations MIA-VVI B752. I dont think AA will route ASU via GRU especially because is slot-restrict
43 LipeGIG : Agree, with less than 10,000 passengers/year as O&D, but i do expect O&D to grow with the non-stop. I believe to transfor DFW-GIG into daily,
44 C010T3 : Well, AA is discontinuing GIG-GRU service. They might as well start flying to ASU instead, because the slots will not wait for them.
45 LAXdude1023 : If I remember correctly, DFW-GRU has about 45-50 PDEW and DFW-GIG has about 20 PDEW. IAH-GRU is closer to 25 PDEW.
46 SCL767 : AA does not operate MIA-VVI anymore. Currently, AA flies MIA-LPB-VVI-MIA 2x daily (B752). However, the B752 is perfect for a MIA-ASU route IMO. AA wi
47 SkedGuy : DFW-GRU is about 35 PDEW compared to IAH-GRU, which is 30 PDEW -- so DFW is still slightly larger. DFW-GIG is only about 10 PDEW compared to IAH, whi
48 LipeGIG : Not right now, correct ? Yes, AA can operate MIA-GIG-POA or MIA-GRU-POA, but would make more sense to add ASU as it's a market without non-stop from
49 Post contains links SCL767 : Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 48): Quoting SCL767 (Reply 46): AA will offer those connections at MIA; could AA operate a MIA-GIG-POA or MIA-GRU-POA service?
50 2travel2know2 : It's true AA is keeping aircraft daytime in Brazilian airports and that there are connecting possibilities to/from DFW and JFK if AA routes ASU via a
51 LAXdude1023 : Thanks for the update.
52 LipeGIG : Interesting that when CO applied for IAH-GIG it states that the O&D was around 60 PDEW. Almost one year of the route and we had a 30% increase, a
53 MAH4546 : AA is expected to announce service to Asuncion for 2011, but the plan is for ASU to operate non-stop from Miami with a 763.
54 LipeGIG : No expectation for a tag service from GRU or GIG this year ? Would you agree it's a good idea to (re)develop the market ?
55 IrishAyes : So why is the 763 being used instead of a 752?
56 commavia : Interesting. I am not at all surprised to see AA examining ASU, but I am surprised they are apparently planning a 767 - I was expecting a 757.
57 MAH4546 : I don't know why, I'm only speculating, but I've heard ASU (and COR, which is rumored to launch around the same time), will be a 763. I speculate par
58 SCL767 : I can understand why the B763 could possibly be deployed on MIA-ASU. Paraguay is landlocked and AA will be able to cash in on cAArgo. Also, since loc
59 Post contains links hardiwv : I am not sure whether you are right, note that not even IB flies ASU. ASU has limited demand and yields, but because of capacity contraints airlines
60 SCL767 : IMO, the B752 is a good size a/c for MIA-COR. MIA-ASU will operate non-stop. Paraguay is poorly served and dependent on regional flights to neighbori
61 hardiwv : The same way I do not think AA will put the B763 in ASU. IB has no intention to open ASU in the short to medium term. LP does not fly ASU, the same f
62 SCL767 : Why not? AA may choose to operate to operate the route 5x weekly. The point I am trying to make is that the current airlines that serve ASU do not of
63 LipeGIG : I suspect that a MIA-ASU with B763 will not depend on connections. I don't know if MIA-COR is able to be operated by B752. I think it's too much beca
64 SCL767 : Like MAH said it's primarily a VFR route. This is why I think the B763 will be utilized on MIA-ASU. As far as MIA-COR is concerned a B752 can fly it,
65 LipeGIG : Agreed, but will be a leisure one, and will have all the business from Paraguay. I believe it's enough to fill a good portion of 28C with reasonable
66 SCL767 : AA will add on 3 extra weekly non-stop flights between SCL and MIA for the high season. So thrice weekly, AA will use 6 B763s to/from SCL. MIA-GYE is
67 LAXdude1023 : Does anyone know when we might hear if AA is allowed DFW-GIG?
68 LipeGIG : That makes 5. They probably will use one day MIA, other day SCL, then MIA..correct ? It's daylight both ways ? Difficult to say as DOT do not establi
69 SCL767 : The B763 over-nights in GYE; however it may also operate a domestic sector along with the MIA-GYE-MIA sectors. AA 945/AA 940 DFW-SCL-DFW operates dai
70 LipeGIG : So we have 5 frames at SCL. Rio in fact with the additional 3 flights from MIA, on certain days, will have 6 on peak season. That's why i consider it
71 Post contains links B377 : Delta withdraws application to exchange their more restricted Northern Brazil frequencies for three of these less restricted ones: http://www.regulati
72 LipeGIG : May be we see DL coming with something else, like 3 additional ATL-BSB or ATL-VCP. The only way to try to get these 3 frequencies is to apply for a n
73 MAH4546 : Delta does not use its current 10 frequencies sufficiently to apply for these. And ATL-VCP is a joke of an idea.
74 C010T3 : It seems that Delta does not want to have new precedent set by the DOT. It would limit their ability to attempt such transactions in the future. I agr
75 LipeGIG : Well, nor AA uses. The game is on for both. And ATL-VCP is a joke for you, but to get the frequencies, they can do it as they know in the future they
76 MAH4546 : Nor AA uses? AA uses ten of its eleven of its Northeast frequencies year-round. Unlike Delta, AA uses 100% of its Brazil frequencies the majority of
77 LipeGIG : AA is not currently using also 2 of their unrestricted frequencies. Mark, the only airlines using 100% of their frequencies right now are CO and US.
78 aacun : The last I heard COR might be tagged out of Santiago, but I also heard it may start off in JFK so that means a JFK-SCL route could be also in the work
79 SCL767 : LAN Chile currently operates the route 6x weekly (B763). The JFK-SCL market is not large. Also, AA will operate MIA-SCL-MIA 10x weekly for the high s
80 Post contains links B377 : Looks like you nailed it! Today they are requesting 3 restricted slots for ATL-GIG with the intention of moving 3 unrestricted slots currently used t
81 C010T3 : You mean DTW-GRU. The only thing blocking DL to do that before was the US slot swap. It seems that US and DL have negotiated that the swap if approve
82 LAXdude1023 : It will be interesting, but I do think AA has a slightly stronger case since DFW-GIG is a brand new market.
83 B377 : I tend to agree. Was somewhat surprised that DL didn't go for 3 DTW-GIG frequencies. That would be a contender against the AA request. Then if they w
84 LipeGIG : It's interesting to see that DL do not give up ! They already lose a similar application in 2009 (with the difference at that time they did not said
85 MAH4546 : I wonder if AA would try to do it like MVD, with a mix of non-stops and one-stops to keep it daily. JFK-SCL sounds very odd - the local market is act
86 incitatus : What is your calculation? I could be wrong but I believe AA is currently using all of them.
87 LipeGIG : Incitatus, From their unrestricted 47 frequencies i see they are using 45: 7 JFK-GRU-GIG 10 DFW-GRU 21 MIA-GRU 7 MIA-GIG +2 seasonal weekly MIA-GIG ti
88 incitatus : MIA-GIG is being flown twice daily except on Thursdays.
89 SCL767 : That would be great if AA flew JFK-LIM-COR. AA would get feed from both JFK and LIM since both are OneWorld hubs. Also, the LIM based crews could ope
90 LipeGIG : Seasonal increase during the last weeks of July only. Mostly of this month and next was just 9x weekly. I didn't know they were introducing more flig
91 Post contains links C010T3 : AA had already accepted receiving regional frequencies in order to fund its MIA-BSB. That would enable shifting those frequencies to fund the new DFW-
92 LipeGIG : Great news, thanks for sharing. Good to see that AA got the DFW-GIG flight and will be able to start to sell it immediately !
93 biggsfo : Maybe ASU could also be served via LIM (MIA-LIM-ASU).
94 SCL767 : This is great news for both DFW and GIG. That would certainly work in AA's favor since LAN does not operate into ASU and AA will be able to offer con
95 LipeGIG : The problem with LIM would be the fact that it performs very well for LIM market, and so will be hard to fill seats with a good fare, and the increas
96 SCL767 : Not at all; just look at AA's fares between EZE and MVD. Also, AA's LIM based crews could operate this potential service. This will significantly low
97 hardiwv : Thanks for sharing this important development. This means AA will launch DFW-GIG while DL will boost DTW-GRU with 5 weekly frequencies. Any ideas on
98 hardiwv : ASU market is to a large degree JJ territory and will remain so for a long time. I dont see AA venturing into ASU after the problems they had. Rgs,
99 LipeGIG : It is a local territory of JJ. But could become a territory for the North American routes, if AA introduce a widebodie which could lead to premium cu
100 hardiwv : But JJ will continue holding the market since it flies ASU 3 daily better suiting business travellers, JJ could also deploy the A332 for the morning
101 LipeGIG : Hardi, to the United States, to cover the business market, as we are discussing, you just need a timely ASU 1800 GIG 2015 that would allow connection
102 hardiwv : Lipe, I dont see the justification for such flight. As I mentioned, tag-ons are expensive and nowadays it is perfectly feasible to run MIA-ASU nonsto
103 LipeGIG : At GRU it does not make sense because AA can offer the additional seats to the local market and connections without a problem. In my mind, AA will ad
104 MAH4546 : AA will be using a 763 when it returns to Asuncion, which is likely to be in May-June with a 763. Cordoba is also strongly rumoured to be added, and
105 hardiwv : COR tag-on makes sense but I dont see GRU tagged as it would deplete capacity in the GRU market as flight would need to share sales between COR/GRU.
106 MAH4546 : Yes, non-stop 763. The 752 has enough trouble getting to Salvador during the winter (albeit ASU is slightly closer); the large Y cabin and cargo capa
107 hardiwv : Plus the B757 to be used in BSB. Expectations are for a possible future upgrade of SSA to B763. As you said, ASU will be nonstop, and I agree. As for
108 SCL767 : IMO, I don't think AA would split their only daily non-stop service between SCL and MIA with COR. LA would obviously benefit because it would most li
109 MAH4546 : Believe it - that's what it is currently looking like. DFW-SCL is often only 60% full and MIA-SCL is often only around 70% full. While lucrative, the
110 hardiwv : It seems AA will neeed to find out ways of improving its performance in SCL through tag-on or reducing capacity as 60% LF seems below average. Rgs,
111 AA1818 : Depends on what fares are like. I have heard of Caribbean and Central American destinations which are hugely profitable with c. 45% LFs due to very h
112 2travel2know2 : MIA/DFW-SCL-ASU might do it. Now please lets go back to write about AA DFW-GIG!
113 LAXdude1023 : Do we know an exact start date? The flights dont seem to be loaded yet.
114 MAH4546 : There is nothing to improve. SCL is a low competition, cargo-lucrative high-fare market.
115 LipeGIG : Hardi, what you are not looking is that you share capacity on 3 routes, not only one. A tag to GIG makes sense in my view. DFW-GIG could be even incr
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