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AA DFW-NRT Diversion To Aleutian Islands July 11  
User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20087 times:

I heard from someone at AA that today's (July 11) AA flight 175 from DFW to NRT diverted to SYA in the Aleutian Islands to due to indication of fire in the cabin. I haven't seen anything in the news about this yet and flightaware.com says "result unknown." Does anyone have any further details? This is certainly an interesting diversion and quite the unusual "airport" to see an AA 777!

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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20024 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Thread starter):
This is certainly an interesting diversion

Probably not so interesting to the terrifying pax on board, many of whom were probably sleeping when the plane had to suddenly land and be evacuated! Also, this being summer, I imagine the pax from warm locales were unprepared for the chilly Aleutian temps...



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User currently offlinecentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19878 times:

I wonder when the last time a US carrier landed in Shemya. It used to be a regular refueling station for NW back before non-stop was possible.


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User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18996 times:

It's in ANC now...

AAL175
American Airlines "American"
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200 (twin-jet) (H/B772/Q)
Origin: Eareckson As (PASY / SYA)
Destination: Anchorage Intl (PANC)

Route n/a
Date Sunday, July 11 2010
Duration 1 hour 57 minutes
Status Landed over an hour ago.
Distance Direct: 1451 sm
Scheduled Actual/Estimated
Departure 11:04PM HADT 11:04PM HADT
Arrival 01:58AM AKDT 02:01AM AKDT
Speed
Altitude Unspecified


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18355 times:

Fire indication light in the cargo area (N777AN).

User currently offlinebobprobert95 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18297 times:

I can tell you after Google mapping that place I wouldn't want to stop there. You might have to do something really wrong to get stationed out there!

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12065 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17974 times:

SYA for almost 25 years was used by SAC RC-135S Cobra Ball aircraft for reconn mission near Kamchaka to watch USSR RVs on ICBM tests.

User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17361 times:

It looks like a nice place to divert to!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/facility/images/eareckson_shemya-island.jpg


User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17083 times:

How is the plane serviced in a place like Shemya? Are there air stairs for the passengers to get off the aircraft. Is there a fueler to fuel the aircraft?

User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16557 times:

The Air Force moved out of Shemya in 1995. All the airport needs are handled by contract people now. Their job is operations and maintenance of the 10,000 foot runway.

User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14731 times:

Wow, interesting stuff and interesting photo of the island. So when the aircraft was moved to ANC, I assume that the pax were on there as well and that a replacement aircraft was sent to ANC? This must be a logistical nightmare. Once the plane landed in SYA, then what? There aren't any "hotels" or "restaraunts" there!

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14654 times:

Quote:
"The plane landed safely," American spokeswoman Andrea Huguely said. "There was no reported fire in the cargo area."

The airplane arrived on Shemya at 3:52 p.m. The 197 passengers departed the aircraft while American employees checked out the airplane. Eventually, they reboarded the airplane, which then arrived in Anchorage early Monday morning.

American will fly in a fresh aircraft and crew to take the passenger on to Tokyo, leaving Anchorage at 8 a.m. Tuesday Alaska Daylight Time. It'll arrive at Tokyo Narita at 8:30 a.m. Japan time Wednesday. That's nearly two days later than originally scheduled.

"The passengers are being accommodated in hotels in Anchorage until their continuation flight to Narita, Japan," Huguely said.
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...merican-airlines-passengers-g.html

The high yesterday at ADK was 51F so I'm assuming that it was near that in SYA.

UAL

[Edited 2010-07-12 11:08:28]

User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14625 times:
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I think Reeve Aleutian Airways was last US airline to probably go there. It doesnt seem to have been the most popular diversion locale since.

They (RV) used the 727-100s at the end of their existance, on an ANC-ADK-SYA-ANC routing.

As a sidenote, I had a black lab that I named her Shemya after this island.



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User currently offlineThule From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13999 times:

Let me get this straight: the Air Force moved out years ago, there's no "settlement" aside from airport buildings, and there's no scheduled air service there.

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 9):
All the airport needs are handled by contract people now. Their job is operations and maintenance of the 10,000 foot runway.

So... the only purpose of this place is an airport? An airport that's used for... a few diversions? Does any airline or private traffic ever use this for refueling?

I can just imagine the conversation:

"What do you do for a living?"
"I work on Shemya."
"Doing what?"
"Maintaining a runway."
"Why?"
"So I can get paid."


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13865 times:

Quoting Thule (Reply 13):
Let me get this straight: the Air Force moved out years ago, there's no "settlement" aside from airport buildings, and there's no scheduled air service there.

So... the only purpose of this place is an airport?

Not quite - there's also a Cobra Dane radar installation there, to monitor the Russian ballistic missile program.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15499 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13739 times:

Quoting bobprobert95 (Reply 5):
I can tell you after Google mapping that place I wouldn't want to stop there.

You would if you thought that your plane was on fire.

Quoting Thule (Reply 13):
So... the only purpose of this place is an airport? An airport that's used for... a few diversions?

Kind of. I think that Wake Island is the same way, but I think Boeing pays to operate that airport to make transpacific ETOPS easier.



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2993 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13618 times:

Wow. That looks like an interesting place to divert from an A.net airliner enthusiast perspective. However, if I was a naive, regular pax - that would be a horror. There is nothing on that island. Looking at the Google Maps overview of the airport is almost even more horrific.

I'm actually a little jealous!


Aeroflot777


User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13620 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
You would if you thought that your plane was on fire.

Exactly, your train of thought isn't to divert somewhere that people will be comfortable and warm, it's to get that baby down ASAP! Seems like AA handled it well considering the circumstances


User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13375 times:

Can anybody get some pics of it in ANC??   

Besides the EVA 77W, pax 777's are a rare sight!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13281 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 16):
That looks like an interesting place to divert from an A.net airliner enthusiast perspective. However, if I was a naive, regular pax - that would be a horror. There is nothing on that island. Looking at the Google Maps overview of the airport is almost even more horrific.

NW used Shemya as a refuelling stop on their transpacific flights in the 1950s. They actually leased and operated the airport for several years after the military pulled out (they later returned). I think NW ended their activities there in the early 1960s after jets made the stop unnecessary.

Following excerpt from NW's history timeline from their former website.

1956

January 1: Northwest leases Shemya Island in the Aleutian chain from the U.S. government for use as a fuel stop on the North Pacific route, thus becoming the first airline to operate its own airport.


[Edited 2010-07-12 13:49:52]

User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13105 times:

I take it, whoever works this airport is going to have lots of down time. I'm going by the above picture.


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User currently offlineN9801F From Samoa, joined Apr 2004, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12823 times:

It seems odd to me that they left SYA for ANC (1,455 mi) when it's about the same distance to NRT (2,013 mi).

The "risk" seems the same, and the disruption to pax and ops is vastly lower with SYA-NRT.

You'd think it would be easier to fix a 777 in NRT than ANC - especially since NRT is a much bigger AA station than ANC.

Any ideas????


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12783 times:

USAF article from 2009 on Shemya, now officially known as Eareckson Air Station. It says there are about 140 personnel there employed by a contractor, and only a few uniformed military personnel.
http://www.elmendorf.af.mil/news/story_print.asp?id=123159775


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12515 times:

Quoting N9801F (Reply 21):
It seems odd to me that they left SYA for ANC (1,455 mi) when it's about the same distance to NRT (2,013 mi).

The "risk" seems the same, and the disruption to pax and ops is vastly lower with SYA-NRT.

You'd think it would be easier to fix a 777 in NRT than ANC - especially since NRT is a much bigger AA station than ANC.

The disruption would be greater if they had flown that aircraft to NRT and it had gone out of service there. AA would then have to cancel whatever US bound flight that aircraft was scheduled to operate thus inconveniencing even more pax. This way, AA can take the broken plane back to DFW and fix it with their own facilities and the fresh aircraft can then fly the pax onward to NRT and resume the normal schedule.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12501 times:

Quoting N9801F (Reply 21):

You'd think it would be easier to fix a 777 in NRT than ANC - especially since NRT is a much bigger AA station than ANC.

Any ideas????

If the aircraft needed any serious inspection or work it would no doubt be cheaper to do in ANC given the facilities there. Clearly the cheaper and better option than NRT if you ask me. I don't even want to know what NRT's resident carriers would charge for such services.



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25 mayor : I was stationed on "The Rock" in '68 for one year*. Quite an experience. We had AS 727 combis that did the regular weekly run back and forth from ANC
26 mtnwest1979 : Excellent to see first hand experience from there! When I saw years ago that when the Navy was at Adak and there were over 5,000 people there, with a
27 Post contains links Pensacolaguy : Just heard about this..I'm glad that the aircraft was able to successfually land at Eareckson As Airport (Shemya, AK) [PASY/SYA]. The replacement airc
28 mayor : Once they left SYA, there aren't alot of places to divert to if they had any additional trouble, heading west. Heading east there's Adak and Cold Bay
29 jeffrey1970 : I would not mind spending a night in Anchorage. It is a beautiful city.
30 nonrevman : I am hoping that an airliners.net enthusiast was on board and will post a trip report. It would especially be interesting to read about the experience
31 CWAFlyer : A co-worker of mine used to be a C-130 engineer in the Coast Guard. I've heard him talking about flying into Shemya quite often.
32 ThreeIfByAir : According to some of the news reports, the luggage and cargo was unloaded at Shemya due to the fire suppression system being expended. How did they un
33 9252fly : I've seen ULD's loaded and unloaded from aircraft using fork-lifts. It's a lot slower though.
34 rfields5421 : Why do so many people think a diversion landing has to be terrifying? Sure Shemya isn't much to visit - it wasn't much in 1973 and 1974 the last times
35 777STL : I flew this route back in December. If only.....
36 francoflier : How's Adak like? I often wonder about these 'mysterious' airports when crossing the pacific, particualrly since they're our only enroute alternates w
37 Post contains links and images mayor : Here I am on Shemya, circa '68, doing my studies
38 jetset : While not a US carrier, I did find another significant diversion to Shemya 1993, April 6. A China Eastern Airlines MD-11, on a flight from Beijing to
39 Numero4 : For some reason I was certain it was Korean Airlines (maybe because of Flight 007), so I couldn't find it. Thank you very much sir! On a sidenote, I
40 N9801F : Thanks, mayor - I think this is the #1 reason. I'm guessing SYA-NRT requires ETOPs, whereas SYA-ANC does not. And since the cargo fire suppression sy
41 sw733 : Yeah no kidding, I am on AA175 every 8 weeks or so connecting on to HKG...granted, if I had important meetings to make, I would be a bit frustrated,
42 Post contains images DFWEagle : The passengers were evacuated and all cargo and luggage was removed from the aircraft. Since the cargo fire suppression system had been activated, al
43 Post contains images mayor : Man, I'm pissed.......we never had a K-loader when I was there......just a forklift!!
44 mtnwest1979 : About the same but there are a few more folks and buildings from what I have seen of ADK. Plus AS flies out to ADK 2x week, EAS IIRC. I have a dvd of
45 Cubsrule : Assuming ADK is an acceptable alternate, you don't need SYA; ADK, ANC, and PKC cover the north Pacific just fine. But as Francoflier points out, ADK
46 Oshkosh1 : Having been in the Navy...and VISITED Adak...the running joke on the base was that "there was a woman behind every tree" There were like 3 trees on th
47 Post contains images sw733 : Well, based on mayor's nerdy pics, 3 was more than they needed in the whole Aleutians
48 Post contains links MLD9S : I haven't seen this posted yet....unless I missed it. Apparently, (according to one of the crew members from the plane) the aircraft involved in this
49 AVLAirlineFreq : So...how did the cargo and luggage get to ANC? And how long did that take?
50 Post contains links Chase : Looking at the picture posted above, I see only one runway. Ditto with the map at the bottom right here: http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/PASY
51 BMI727 : It appears to be an old and disused part of the airport. If you look closely, you can see a taxiway linking that to the main portion, and buildings h
52 mayor : There was an old, north/south (more or less) runway when I was there but it was out of use, then. All we had was the 10,000 ft. main runway. More than
53 Post contains links C172Akula : According to the Calgary Herald today, another AA flight from DFW-NRT diverted to YYC yesterday around 3pm. They had to shut down one of the engines.
54 Post contains links AALuxuryLiner : It looks like AA 61 is now enroute from YYC to KIX according to Flightaware. http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...764&airlineCode=AA&flight
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