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Oneworld ATI Decision(s) May Come This Week  
User currently offlinessides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3043 times:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...egulators-may-be-close-to-a-d.html

Looks like both the DOT and the European Commission could issue their final decisions some time this week. If I'm not mistaken, these are the only obstacles remaining -- I don't think the US DOJ has any more input.

Anyone else have other information?

Great news for AA, BA, IB and pax in both the US and UK.


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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2917 times:

About damn time.

This should have happened a long time ago. But better late than never.

Is there a possibility that the EU could impose more restrictions? They typically just rubber stamp what the DOT says.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11529 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Quoting ssides (Thread starter):
If I'm not mistaken, these are the only obstacles remaining -- I don't think the US DOJ has any more input.

Correct. DoT, not DoJ, has final say in these matters - DoJ only advises, but does not have determinative rulemaking authority. At this point, the only way for DoJ's issues to be applied would be for Obama to personally intervene and direct the Secretary of Transportation to account for DoJ's issues, which I personally don't see happening (Obama's got way bigger fish to fry these days than AA's antitrust immunity application).

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
About damn time.

  

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
This should have happened a long time ago. But better late than never.

Indeed. This is going to finally give Star and SkyTeam some meaningful competition, and completely transform the economics of the Atlantic for AA, BA and Iberia.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
Is there a possibility that the EU could impose more restrictions? They typically just rubber stamp what the DOT says.

According to most of the reportage I've been reading, the EU has been "market testing" their proposed remedies for months now. I don't see any substantial opposition from any other major market players like Lufthansa, Air France, etc., as I think they've all moved on and don't really care enough about it at this point to try and foil BA's ATI deal. The only real opposition I see to this is Virgin, but Branson has already done such a great job of rendering himself irrelevant in so many circles anyway that I'm not sure how much traction his whining is going to get in Brussels. He claims he'll take this to court in order to stop it - but not sure how far that will get either.


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 2):
He claims he'll take this to court in order to stop it - but not sure how far that will get either.

If ATI is given a go ahead to start, even if he tries to take it to court, ATI will probably commence before he has the chance.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11529 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

The latest reporting from The Wall Street Journal:
User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
The latest reporting from The Wall Street Journal:

I think you might be missing a link bro.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11529 posts, RR: 61
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
I think you might be missing a link bro.


Apologies - last post should be deleted (issues with the system).

I can't get this stupid thing to post, but go to Google and search "Looming Alliance to Boost BA."


User currently offlineMcMax From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

It is about time. Earning miles on BA transatlantic flights will open up more choices for Aadvantage members. However, I do have my concerns about how ATI is going to be implemented. If it means AA adds more flights to Europe on AA metal: great. If it means AA drops flights because BA can serve those destinations: then maybe great or maybe not so great. It depends on how AA/BA harmonize their elite programs.

Will BA honor AA SWUs on their flights? Will BA return to giving elite bonuses? If the answers to those questions are No and No, then on a per-flight basis, ATI will actually not be that great for Aadvantage elites because there would be (1) little incentive to take BA metal (except for perhaps better service or a better seat) due to the lack of SWU and mileage accrual, and (2) AA has now reduced its own flights to previously served destinations thereby reducing SWU availability and mileage bonuses. On the flip side, it would mean more AA metal to new cities, which would benefit AA elites to those new cities. Six of one, half dozen of another.

At the end of the day, ATI is still important for AA/BA. After all, if AA doesn't survive, then my questions are all moot anyway.



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User currently offlineSkedGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 135 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
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Quoting McMax (Reply 7):
Will BA honor AA SWUs on their flights? Will BA return to giving elite bonuses? If the answers to those questions are No and No, then on a per-flight basis, ATI will actually not be that great for Aadvantage elites because there would be (1) little incentive to take BA metal (except for perhaps better service or a better seat) due to the lack of SWU and mileage accrual, and (2) AA has now reduced its own flights to previously served destinations thereby reducing SWU availability and mileage bonuses. On the flip side, it would mean more AA metal to new cities, which would benefit AA elites to those new cities. Six of one, half dozen of another.

I agree with you 100%. The harmonization of the elite programs (or lack thereof) really could make or break this from an AAdvantge elite flyer standpoint.


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