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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Hi guys , i have been away for quite sometime , i haven't been following Airliners new regularly . My question is : what's new for Egyptair , have they started taking delivery of their new B777's and A330's ? What's up with their plans launching Chicago and Toronto ? Any other major news for MS ?

Thanks..

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Here's an article in Flight International, mainly on the new communications suite for the new A330s:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...nair-connected-a330-in-august.html

The first of five new A333s is due for delivery next month.

A330-300 in new MS colours ... now that's going to be a beauty!

The airline is also due to start flying the 77W to JFK in December and I understand that it wants to add YYZ as its next North American destination.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1668 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

More expansion in Africa for MS
CO to start EWR-CAI, which may mean MS might delay YYZ, ORD and IAH (in no particular order, but are the three most likely US destinations)...or may not. No word yet.
The 77Ws are being used on short-ish runs to JED, DXB and LHR.
The A333s come next month, will replace the 77W on the CAi-LHR route, although tbh this route most def. warrants a 77W.
MS starting CPH using 738 3-4 times a week in October


User currently offlinejambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

i believe yesterday their chairman or ceo spoke that next summer they will be starting Toronto.
so that is confirmed. i know MS has an offline sales office in YYZ.

Well i donno if MS will also be restricted with frequency like Emirates, Etihad? If they are than it will be tough for MS since Toronto needs bothways conx with India atleast.


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 727 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
The airline is also due to start flying the 77W to JFK in December

That's good news as the current product is sub-standard, according to those who have used it recently.


User currently offlineegyptair269 From Egypt, joined Mar 2007, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Well most of the news has been mentioned already here, I'll just add to it.

Here is the latest article on EgyptAir:

http://atwonline.com/airline-finance...itive-expansion-0709?cid=nl_atw_dn

Feedback has been very positive from the EgyptAir 777-300ERs ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXathX_Xm3A )

EgyptAir will commence thrice-weekly CAI-Copenhagen service Oct. 1 aboard a 737-800 and it has been informally announced that next summer it will add Toronto as its second North American destination. (I will be the first passenger, absolutely delighted by that announcement  )

MS will launch mobile and Internet services onboard its new A330-300 fleet. Passengers will be able to use the Wi-Fi service throughout their flight to make calls through their mobile phones with the same international call rates of their service providers, according to the carrier. The new A330-300 will be configured with 36 fully flat seats in business class and 265 seats in economy. The new A330-300s are due to arrive next month.

Also:

--EgyptAir is contemplating launching a hybrid carrier at Alexandria


--EgyptAir will lease 2 B767-300ER aircraft over the peak Umrah/Ramadan/Summer season (10AUG10-19SEP10). The aircraft are configured with 285 seats in an all-economy layout.

Both B763s will almost exclusively fly CAI-JED-CAI, with each aircraft operating 3 daily rotations (for a total of 6 daily flights). TEgyptAir's existing scheduled services on the route remain unchanged.

This represents a significant capacity increase on CAI-JED over this period. Here is a breakdown:
the existing 5x daily scheduled MS flights on the route, equate to approx 15,500 seats per week.
the additional B763s flights will add a further 25,000 seats per week.
In total EgyptAir will offer over 40,000 seats per week on the route during AUG-SEP. To put this into perspective this is similar to offering 6 daily return flights with an A380.

In addition to this, Saudi Arabian Airlines are also offering a similar number of seats during this peak period.

-- Effective July 4th, the airline has increased flights on the prime European route, CAI-LHR, from 8 to 10x weekly flights.

--EgyptAir has begun releasing their W10 schedule:
Almaty: CAI-ALA will be canceled.
Tokyo: CAI-NRT increases from 3 to 6x weekly flights in September, and then 6 to 7x weekly (daily) from 01MAR10.
Osaka: CAI-KIX increases from 4 to 5x weekly flights from 01MAR10. 2 flights will continue to operate KIX-LXR-CAI on the return.
Damascus: CAI-DAM increases from 11 to 14x weekly (twice daily). (subject to government approval)
Kuwait: CAI-KWI increases from 10 to 14x weekly flights (twice daily). (Usually 21x weekly in summer and 10x weekly in winter).
Accra: will change from a night to a day flight like Lagos.
Marsa Alam: EgyptAir Express will expand operations from RMF with new domestic flights to Sharm El Sheikh (from 01JUL10), Alexandria (from 01JUL10), Luxor (from 01NOV10)and Abu Simbel (from 05NOV10). In addition the airline will operate 2x weekly charters from RMF to JED, KWI and AMM between 01JUL09-09AUG10.
OA Code Share: The long-standing code share with Olympic Air on the ALY-ATH route will end on 29OCT10. This was expected given the recent launch of HBE-IST by fellow Star Alliance partner, TK.
Airbus A330-200 Refit: The airline has indefinitely postponed the refit of the existing 7 A332 with the new interiors.


--EgyptAir have now published details of their new flights to Lusaka (Zambia) which launches 02NOV10. The flight will operate twice a week via Dar es Salam. The schedule for both DAR and LUN will be:

CAI DAR MS841 22:10 05:00 -2-4-57 5:50 A320 0
DAR LUN MS841 06:00 07:30 --3---7 2:30 A320 0
LUN DAR MS842 08:30 11:55 --3---7 2:25 A320 0
DAR CAI MS842 12:55 17:40 --3---7 5:45 A320 0
DAR CAI MS842 12:55 17:40 1---5-- 5:45 A320 0

The airline will have 5th freedom rights on the DAR-LUN-DAR sector, so they can passengers between both destinations.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5652 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Aww, no news about IAH and when they'll start that flight,eh? Ah well, looks like I'll be pax no. 2 on the CAI-YYZ inaug! Any dates on it yet?


Next trip: SLC-DEN-SLC-PHX-JFK-LAX-SLC with my wife and oldest daughter. F9 to and from DEN, US to JFK, AA 321 and CR7
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

And does Egpytair have rights to Toronto ........ ??

Why have they been serving Montreal, oh since, 2001?


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1668 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3928 times:

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 5):
--EgyptAir is contemplating launching a hybrid carrier at Alexandria

Hmm, interesing news. For too long MS has neglected ALY. Air Arabia Egypt recently launched a hub at HBE with flights to AMM, BEY, KRT, AUH and maybe a few more since then but I always thought that MS should run a few flights to Europe to interline with key *A hubs-and they've got FCO, MXP, VIE, BRU, FRA, MUC, ZRH to choose from. Although it's great that TK now has IST-HBE and soon to be *A carrier Olympic/Aegan already have ATH-ALY. If the Egyptian government manages to negotiate favourable visa waiver agreements with countries like Turkey and Lebanon, then we'd see demand on both sides.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 7):
Why have they been serving Montreal, oh since, 2001?

It was a summer only seasonal primarily servicing Egyptian Canadians.

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 5):
Almaty: CAI-ALA will be canceled.

Hmm, no surprises there.


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 880 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Any plans for MS to fly back to ABJ (Abidjan, Ivory Coast) as it was the case until 2006?

User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6314 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 5):
2 flights will continue to operate KIX-LXR-CAI on the return.

Wow, I had no idea it did this...is this to capture the Japanese tourist crowd?


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

They have been talking about Toronto since 2007 , it might be a little late now after THY , Etihad and Emirates launched their services to YYZ . But still , MS in YYZ will be nice to see , but from my experience with MS , i won't believe it til i see it   .
If this flight ever happens , it will serve , along with O&D market , East Africa , the Arabian Gulf region and may be the Indian sub-continent although there will be very tough competition from Emirates and Etihad .
My expectation is thrice weekly A330 service .





[quote=egyptair269,reply=5]Almaty: CAI-ALA will be canceled.

I wonder if it will be canceled only in the winter and comes back in the summer ! I was surprised when this route was announced in the first place .

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 5):
Tokyo: CAI-NRT increases from 3 to 6x weekly flights in September, and then 6 to 7x weekly (daily) from 01MAR10.
Osaka: CAI-KIX increases from 4 to 5x weekly flights from 01MAR10. 2 flights will continue to operate KIX-LXR-CAI on the return

Wow , demand from Japan is very high , i bet mostly Japanese tourists .

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 6):
Aww, no news about IAH and when they'll start that flight,eh? Ah well, looks like I'll be pax no. 2 on the CAI-YYZ inaug! Any dates on it yet?

And i will be number 3  
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 7):
And does Egpytair have rights to Toronto ........ ??

Why have they been serving Montreal, oh since, 2001?

I wonder if launching YYZ is the reason behind pulling out of Montreal .



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User currently offlineegyptair269 From Egypt, joined Mar 2007, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Quoting directorguy (Reply 8):
Hmm, interesing news. For too long MS has neglected ALY. Air Arabia Egypt recently launched a hub at HBE with flights to AMM, BEY, KRT, AUH and maybe a few more since then but I always thought that MS should run a few flights to Europe to interline with key *A hubs-and they've got FCO, MXP, VIE, BRU, FRA, MUC, ZRH to choose from. Although it's great that TK now has IST-HBE and soon to be *A carrier Olympic/Aegan already have ATH-ALY. If the Egyptian government manages to negotiate favourable visa waiver agreements with countries like Turkey and Lebanon, then we'd see demand on both sides.

Interesting indeed. The EgyptAir CEO refrained from releasing further details and stressed the “plan has not yet been adopted” but said that if MS proceeds, the hybrid will launch under a different brand because “EgyptAir is not in the business of LCCs and is a full-service carrier.”

Quoting directorguy (Reply 8):
Hmm, no surprises there.
Quoting sw733 (Reply 10):
Wow, I had no idea it did this...is this to capture the Japanese tourist crowd?

Yes, Japan-Egypt traffic is very high.

Tokyo (along with Osaka) are very much leisure-orientated route (think Japanese tourists to Egypt)

Things have been even better since MS deployed the B777-300ER to Japan. They probably made sure to deploy the newest in-flight product on one of the longest flights. When you consider all 3 Gulf majors (EK, EY and QR) have launched services to NRT this summer, MS is under pressure to offer a competitive product or loose traffic to the new competition. The matter is only worsened when you remember that Egypt is the biggest market between Japan and the Middle East/Gulf, so EK/EY/QR will all target this market via their respective hubs.

Here are MS's CAI-NRT passenger loads since introducing the B77W:
02MAY - 95
04MAY - 295
07MAY - 262
09MAY - 228
11MAY - 199
14MAY - 128
16MAY - 259

That averages 209 passengers per flight, equating to a 60.5% load factor. Not bad considering May traffic is generally not high.

Another problem with the Tokyo flight is the schedule, due to slot constraints in Narita. Ideally MS would like to use a similar schedule to their KIX/BKK/PEK flights with a midnight departure from CAI and a 6am arrival back to CAI. This will improve connections to the network.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 11):
They have been talking about Toronto since 2007 , it might be a little late now after THY , Etihad and Emirates launched their services to YYZ . But still , MS in YYZ will be nice to see , but from my experience with MS , i won't believe it til i see it .
If this flight ever happens , it will serve , along with O&D market , East Africa , the Arabian Gulf region and may be the Indian sub-continent although there will be very tough competition from Emirates and Etihad .
My expectation is thrice weekly A330 service .

Below is a list of the top 20 markets from Cairo without non-stop scheduled services. The list is based on total passenger numbers traveling between CAI and each city for the 12 month period ending March 2010:

YYZ -> 36,269
IAD -> 23,872
SYD -> 18,311
ORD -> 16,911
DEL -> 15,558
MNL -> 14,850
PVG -> 14,515
GIZ -> 12,297
MEL -> 11,754
IAH -> 11,116
MAN -> 9,845
SFO -> 9,546
GRU -> 9,406
HKG -> 9,125
CGK -> 8,487
BOS -> 8,336
CPH -> 8,306
ARN -> 8,258
ATL -> 8,157
HAS -> 7,784

As you can see Toronto tops the list with just over 36,000 passengers per year. That is equivalent to 50 passengers per day per direction. This data is from MIDT which is derived from bookings made through major GDSs. If you take into account direct bookings and online ticketing, this figure could increase from 36,000 to at least 55,000.

Here is a breakdown of the top airlines on CAI-YYZ:

AC&MS (Via LHR) -> 9,733
AZ -> 5,841
LH -> 4,402
AF -> 4,124
KL -> 2,601
BA -> 1,468
ACLH -> 1,414
TK -> 1,323
ACAF -> 1,165
ACLX -> 943

EgyptAir/Air Canada combined account for 27% of the market (interlining via European airports), Alitalia has 16%, Lufthansa has 12%, Air France 11%, etc

So as you can see, YYZ would be a GREAT market for EgyptAir to tap into. And delpoying the ultra-modern, luxurious MS A330-300s or B777-300ERs, will only make things better  


User currently offlineegyptair269 From Egypt, joined Mar 2007, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Oh, and I forgot to mention, EgyptAir has been named as 2011 IATA world meeting hosts:

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/art...d-at-2011-iata-world-meeting-hosts


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

What;s the YUL market size in relation to YYZ? There is very little direct bookings when it comes to Egypt services, most of is done through consolidation/ethnic agencies.

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 12):
Below is a list of the top 20 markets from Cairo without non-stop scheduled services. The list is based on total passenger numbers traveling between CAI and each city for the 12 month period ending March 2010:

YYZ -> 36,269
IAD -> 23,872
SYD -> 18,311
ORD -> 16,911
DEL -> 15,558
MNL -> 14,850
PVG -> 14,515
GIZ -> 12,297
MEL -> 11,754
IAH -> 11,116
MAN -> 9,845
SFO -> 9,546
GRU -> 9,406
HKG -> 9,125
CGK -> 8,487
BOS -> 8,336
CPH -> 8,306
ARN -> 8,258
ATL -> 8,157
HAS -> 7,784


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 727 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 12):
So as you can see, YYZ would be a GREAT market for EgyptAir to tap into. And delpoying the ultra-modern, luxurious MS A330-300s or B777-300ERs, will only make things better  

You certainly have done your homework,   looks like there is a market there for the taking...


User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

So as far as i CAN understand , MS Will get read of their all 3 x A342s .where Will they go ?
Tks rgds
dennys


User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Nice to see IAH as the top 3 for USA destination to CAI, wonder if CO will start a flight to complement there EWR service or let MS fly IAH-CAI?

User currently offlineegyptair269 From Egypt, joined Mar 2007, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting COalways (Reply 17):
Nice to see IAH as the top 3 for USA destination to CAI, wonder if CO will start a flight to complement there EWR service or let MS fly IAH-CAI?

Continental Airlines have announced they will launch new flights connecting Newark to Cairo International Airport from 18MAY2011.

The airline will launch the route with 4x weekly flight, increasing to daily during the peak summer period, then down to 5x weekly service. Flights will be operated with the B777-200ER.

Proposed schedule:

CO134 EWR CAI 17:30 10:55+1 11hr25min B777 0
CO135 CAI EWR 12:55 18:05 11hr10min B777 0

This will result in 3 carriers competing on the Cairo-New York route with a daily B77W from MS, daily B763 from DL and now 4-7x weekly B77E from CO.

One would of expected CO/UA to start Chicago-Cairo or even Houston-Cairo instead:

1. so not to compete directly with Star Alliance partner EgyptAir
2. offer better coverage of the CAI-US market beyond the CAI-NYC route.


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 14):
CPH -> 8,306
ARN -> 8,258

Maybe Egyptair could have done a triangle route like CAI-ARN-CPH-CAI to get more passengers from Scandinavia? Or is that a very old way of flying?
/ Sukhoi


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 12):
Yes, Japan-Egypt traffic is very high.

When i used to live in Egypt , i remember MS had twice weekly flights from NRT and twice weekly from Osaka , almost all passengers of the 4 flights were Japanese tourists .

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 12):
Here are MS's CAI-NRT passenger loads since introducing the B77W
Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 12):
Below is a list of the top 20 markets from Cairo without non-stop scheduled services
Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 12):
Here is a breakdown of the top airlines on CAI-YYZ

My friend i am puzzled by your Horus-like knowledge  , thanks a lot for the info .

Good to see Toronto on the top of the list , so the O&D market is big enough for at least thrice weekly service and may be more if we add connecting passengers .

I noticed that Turkish has a fair market share on the CAI-YYZ route , taking in consideration it is a new route to YYZ and that their connecting time in IST is horrible , but i mentioned in another thread that they are offering very competitive fares on the route .

[Edited 2010-07-14 11:53:00]


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User currently offlinejambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

nice. lets see MS yyz skd loaded asap.


Ethiopian Airlines also has plans to launch toronto next year.

We might see 2 new star carriers competiting in YYZ competiting for market to India, Dubai, East Africa.

[Edited 2010-07-14 14:31:04]

User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting egyptair269 (Reply 12):
Below is a list of the top 20 markets from Cairo without non-stop scheduled services. The list is based on total passenger numbers traveling between CAI and each city for the 12 month period ending March 2010:

YYZ -> 36,269
IAD -> 23,872
SYD -> 18,311
ORD -> 16,911
DEL -> 15,558
MNL -> 14,850
PVG -> 14,515
GIZ -> 12,297
MEL -> 11,754
IAH -> 11,116
MAN -> 9,845
SFO -> 9,546
GRU -> 9,406
HKG -> 9,125
CGK -> 8,487
BOS -> 8,336
CPH -> 8,306
ARN -> 8,258
ATL -> 8,157
HAS -> 7,784

By the way , i am surprised Los Angeles and Montreal are not on this list at all   



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

When Egxptair bought the 77Ws they announced that these planes would replace the 772s. Did they park one of the older 777s already?

User currently offlineegyptair269 From Egypt, joined Mar 2007, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 22):
By the way , i am surprised Los Angeles and Montreal are not on this list at all

Montreal is not included because technically, MS served montreal. The lis ist of the top 20 markets from Cairo WITHOUT non-stop scheduled services

Quoting na (Reply 23):
When Egxptair bought the 77Ws they announced that these planes would replace the 772s. Did they park one of the older 777s already?

Negotiations are still underway with Transaero on the sale of the B777-200s.

But once the notorious 777-200s are sold, and once the A340s are sold, and once the A330-200s are retrofitted. EgypAir will have a complete world-class long haul fleet akin to leading carriers. Think of it B777-300ERs, A330-300s and A330-200s all with PTVs in all classes, lie flat business seats, and wifi and mobile technology. Wow. EgyptAir is seeing its best days ever.


25 Post contains links jambo : since DEL is number 5 in the list of top markets without nonstop service to/from Cairo, it should go for launching delhi after copenhagen. and also be
26 ETinCaribe : True, LAX missing but SFO is up there, how come? And with IAD, does MS has plans to fly to that Star hub? Looks like it could justify the move.
27 MSYYZ : I think they used to back in the 80's if i am not mistaken . If they exercise all the options MS long-haul fleet would look like this : 10 A330/200 6
28 GlobalCabotage : After the merger, IAD-CAI and ORD-CAI will happen, be it on MS or UA/CO metal.
29 MSYYZ : I think the 2nd destination Egyptair is interested in in the US is Washington . Then may be Chicago . I am wondering if we will see MS's growth and e
30 GlobalCabotage : I agree with IAD being next US destination followed by ORD. YYZ would be a nice fit, but I'm not too familiar with Canada aviation agreements.
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