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What's Going On With The OMP (ORD)  
User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

What's the latest with the OMP?

Landed on 27R on Sunday. What a great addition this runway has been.

What's the time frame like on the remaining runway work:

Future 8C/28C: completion of construction, this is tied up in appeals court?

Future 8R/28L: when is this slated for construction?

Extension of 9R/27L: when is this going to be done? It looks like the land west of the current threshold is being leveled.

Future 9C/27C: when is this slated for construction?

I realize there is information on the OMP website, but that has not been updated in sometime.

Is this all in hold pending an agreement between the City of Chicago, AA, and UA on how to pay for the future development?

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User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Does anyone have any further insight beyond what is posted on the OMP website?

User currently offlineairfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

Did you see the Spring '10 construction update?

http://www.cityofchicago.org/content...al/pdf/033010_Spring2010Update.pdf

I found these links after a quick Google search. A lot about the current demolition work...

http://www.cdrecycler.com/cdr-july-august-cleared-for-landing.aspx

http://www.bensenville.il.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=1188

http://www.bensenville.il.us/index.aspx?NID=298



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

Quoting KDCA (Thread starter):
Future 8C/28C: completion of construction, this is tied up in appeals court?

Future 8R/28L: when is this slated for construction?

Do you mean 10C/28C and 10R/28R?

If so, the link provided by airfinair says that 10C/28C is currently under construction. It sounds like a few things have to happen first:

Is the cemetary relocation still held up in the courts or is that underway?

Are the new FedEx and United cargo facilities under construction? Is the OMP paying for those new cargo facilities? I am guessing that the OMP paid fair market value for their old facilities which is being used to partially fund their new facilities...correct?

I thought 10R/28L was going to be next but it sounds like it is not.


User currently offlineairfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

The last article on the cemetery lawsuit I could find:

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...uments-in-ohare-cemetery-case.html



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User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

I thought the cemetary was in the way of 10R/28L, not 10C/28C although maybe I'm wrong. I know 10R/28L is supposed to be the last one to open and that the extension of the existing ones and their respective paired new ones have higher priority.

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3893 times:


View Larger Map

You can see the extension of 10L/28R in this image...10C/28C will run directly south of it through the cemetary and cargo buildings...

[Edited 2010-07-15 12:54:28]

User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Ok, that makes sense. For some reason I thought it was further south

User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Thanks for the replies.

When the OMP is complete, will ORD be able to handle 4 arrival streams? Is there enough spacing for simulataneous approaches to 10C/28C and 10R/28L?


User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

What's to happen to the cargo ramp area along Irving Park road on the south side of the airfield? The map on the OMP website seems to show that it will sit between 10C/28C and 10R/28L -- will it be largely unchanged? Seems a bit close to me eye -- is that safe? Any other airports where cargo ramps sit between two runways so close together?

Also, I'm surprised to see the International Terminal extension known as Terminal 6 in the map as I believed this was canceled. Anyone if it is back on the drawing board?


User currently offlineDC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
Are the new FedEx and United cargo facilities under construction? Is the OMP paying for those new cargo facilities? I am guessing that the OMP paid fair market value for their old facilities which is being used to partially fund their new facilities...correct?

As with all facilities at ORD, the buildings are owned by the City of Chicago. Carriers lease their space. So the old facilities
are simply buildings to be removed. OMP didn't have to buy anything.


User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

I've always wondered what the plan is with Irving Park Rd. Are they going to be diverting it around the new runway or are they going to run it under the runway? And what about that railroad that crosses Irving Park just west of the cargo road?

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3768 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Nice to see the OMP moving along. Didn't the cemetery want the south-suburban airport in Peotone to be built in full in place of ORD expansion (which would have involved destruction of homes)?

Anyway, any news on Concourse L? Last I checked, no one has taken over the four empty gates from the old Delta Flight Center. (One common-use ex-DL gate is used by NK and 3E.)
-Could AA along with BA and IB take over the gates after the BA/IB alliance is done, adding an FIS facility between K and L in the process?
-Or could AA take over the gates to enhance the AA/B6 codeshare, with B6 then moving into L gates subleAAsed from AA to enhance their ORD service?
-Is VX still interested in ORD and L?
-Could WN could start a small ORD operation to complement MDW?



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineboeingkid From United States of America, joined May 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

Ok as far as the L gates at ORD Air Choice one is at L10B for now L1 is AA Delta has been parking spare CRJ's and Airbus at L3 L5 and Spirit is at L9 and sometimes they use L7. OMP update we have most of the new runway built (the one on top of the former lake ORD). What we dids was build it in 2 sections we built beyond the Southwest Cargo Areas and we built in front on the cargo areas when we knock the cargo down we will fill in the middle. We are still working out details to relocate the burial plots.

The plan for Irving Park from what I been told is to relocate it again I dont know if they will put it under the new runway or not but we are going to move it yet again.

But all work up here is halted due to the Laborers 150 strike. We have had minor construction since July 2nd. Nothing major


User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting boeingkid (Reply 13):
The plan for Irving Park from what I been told is to relocate it again I dont know if they will put it under the new runway or not but we are going to move it yet again.

I guess I'll just have to wait and see. But I do have to say it is quite surreal to drive down Irving Park now with most of the homes gone. It's too bad that Transformers 3 didn't have a need to destroy a residential area instead of Michigan Ave. They could've had a lot of fun in that neighborhood.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3118 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
Do you mean 10C/28C and 10R/28R?

If so, the link provided by airfinair says that 10C/28C is currently under construction. It sounds like a few things have to happen first:

Is the cemetary relocation still held up in the courts or is that underway?

Are the new FedEx and United cargo facilities under construction? Is the OMP paying for those new cargo facilities? I am guessing that the OMP paid fair market value for their old facilities which is being used to partially fund their new facilities...correct?

I thought 10R/28L was going to be next but it sounds like it is not.
Quoting ORDFan (Reply 9):
Also, I'm surprised to see the International Terminal extension known as Terminal 6 in the map as I believed this was canceled. Anyone if it is back on the drawing board?

The work on the east end of 10C/28C has been going on for a while. Last April, my flight arrived on 22L due to strong gusty winds from the southwest. Due to the construction of the new runway, we had to taxi back to the east end of 10/28 (eventually 10L/28R), then turn onto the runway and taxi about 3000 feet, then turn right and into the AA alley between G and H.

Also, AS used to use L2A and L2B for its operations. Now, it uses L1.

As for the diagram of T6 next to T5, my guess is that is an old diagram that should not have been used. The concept of a western terminal was to appease DuPage County and other suburbs, to get them to drop opposition to expansion.

What I found interesting is the line indicating that an underground train was going to connect the western terminal to the other three domestic terminals. Several years ago, one of the local network affiliates found a document indicating that the new terminal would be linked with the other terminals via buses using Elmhurst Road, Irving Park Road, Mannheim Road, and Interstate 190.

Can you imagine the travel time during rush hours?

What I don't get is how some people will get to the proposed western terminal. The plan is to build a connector between Interstate 294 and Interstate 90, running around the south and west sides of the field.

That's fine if you're coming from the northwest suburbs on eastbound I-90 or from the south and west suburbs on northbound I-294.

But if you're coming from the north suburbs on southbound 294 or from the Loop on westbound I-90, I don't see the easy way to get to the western terminal, other than to exit I-190 at Mannheim and go around the north or south end of the field.

What I like about ORD is that I-190 is the access road to Terminals 1,2, and 3. Very few airports have an Interstate highway as the road leading to arrival and departure levels.


User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 15):
What I found interesting is the line indicating that an underground train was going to connect the western terminal to the other three domestic terminals. Several years ago, one of the local network affiliates found a document indicating that the new terminal would be linked with the other terminals via buses using Elmhurst Road, Irving Park Road, Mannheim Road, and Interstate 190.

Wow!! I can't believe they thought that would work.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 15):
Can you imagine the travel time during rush hours?

Rush hour wouldn't be that bad, worse would be getting caught by a train crossing Irving Park. That's an easy 15 minutes.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 15):
What I don't get is how some people will get to the proposed western terminal. The plan is to build a connector between Interstate 294 and Interstate 90, running around the south and west sides of the field.

That's fine if you're coming from the northwest suburbs on eastbound I-90 or from the south and west suburbs on northbound I-294.

What I don't get is how they would consider that a western entrance? If you still have to go east of the airport to go to the west side that doesn't make much sense. The only way it would be a western entrance would be if they managed to extend the aptly named Elgin-O'Hare Expressway (Which neither goes to Elgin nor O'Hare) to the airport so at least half of the name is right. Which would make it easy to get to from Joliet and Naperville by heading north on I-355.

The western terminal is a good idea in theory, but so far it's execution is far from ideal. Connecting pax and bags from that far out would be horrible. And working for DL we get a lot of pax and bags connecting to both AA and UA. And to get to T5 would probably take 15 min. The only way this would work if it's the first terminal in a total reconfiguration of the terminals to something akin to ATL or DEN.


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