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OAG Changes 7/16/2010: AA/AC/DL/F9/FL/G4/JL  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

AA
JFK-HND 0>1 JAN-

AC
PBI-YUL 0>1/WK DEC-

B6
IAD-MCO 2>3 OCT-

CO
GUC-IAH 0>4/WK DEC-

DL
ATL-CUR 0>1/WK DEC-
BDL-LAS 0>1/WK SEP-
BOS-LAS 0>2/WK SEP-
CMI-DTW 2>0 SEP-
DTW-FNT 6>4 SEP-
FNT-MSP 1>2 SEP-
JFK-FPO 2/WK>0 SEP-
LEX-MSP 1>2 SEP-
MEM-TLH 3>2 SEP-

F9
DEN-ASE 3>4 DEC-, STILL DH4 (?)
DEN-HDN 0>1 DEC-
DEN-LGB 2>9/WK DEC-
DEN-MKE 3>4 OCT-
DEN-OKC 4>3 SEP-
DEN-PDX 4>5 OCT-
DEN-PHF 4/WK>3/WK OCT-
DEN-PHL 1>5/WK OCT-
DEN-SFO 4>5 OCT-
STL-PVR 0>1/WK DEC-

FL
GPT-TPA 0>3/WK NOV- (Reverses last week I think)
MKE-STL 4>3 SEP-

G4
BLI-LGB 0>3/WK AUG-
LGB-SCK 0>5/WK AUG-

JL
SFO-HND 0>1 OCT-
SFO-NRT 1>0 OCT-

JO
HNL-HND 0>1 NOV-

NK
LAS-ORD 5/WK>0 JAN- (didnt realize this was ever loaded, mistake?)

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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BOS-LAS 0>2/WK SEP-

Good to see more BOS-LAS service...perhaps with the US Airways cutbacks from 3X to 1X and with B6 only operating 1X flight DL decided to re-enter the market. Though I think it can support at least daily service from DL. I would expect WN to enter this market sooner or later as LAS is one of their biggest stations and to complement their MHT/PVD-LAS service.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BDL-LAS 0>1/WK SEP-
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BOS-LAS 0>2/WK SEP-

Good to see DL restarting these routes. Now DL will fly to:MSP,DTW,ATL,CVG,JFK,CUN,MCO,PBI,TPA,RSW,FLL,LAX

That's quite an operation! I hope they may restart SLC soon!



E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

Really interesting to see DL back into some LAS P2P routes. DL flew both BOS and BDL in the past - I believe BOS was a daily 738 and BDL was a 3x weekly 738. I'm still surprised that BDL hasn't gotten their SLC flight back, especially now that LAX/LAS have/are going to come back online. Sort of off topic, but I'm also wondering if DL will try BOS-LAX again. It's a saturated market, but for feed into their growing gateway in LA, maybe it's worth it?

Minor changes at CVG with the recent updates - both changes also involving BDL and BOS. BOS is getting 2x mainline (320s) in addition to 2x CR9s. I don't think DL has had that much capacity on that route in over two years. BDL gets one of the CRJ flights updated to a CR7: F class into CVG for the first time in ~2 years.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 3):
Really interesting to see DL back into some LAS P2P routes. DL flew both BOS and BDL in the past - I believe BOS was a daily 738 and BDL was a 3x weekly 738. I'm still surprised that BDL hasn't gotten their SLC flight back, especially now that LAX/LAS have/are going to come back online. Sort of off topic, but I'm also wondering if DL will try BOS-LAX again. It's a saturated market, but for feed into their growing gateway in LA, maybe it's worth it?

I've been thinking this would be nice, perhaps with an A319. Maybe upgrade to a 738/A320 if demand warrants. However, LAX's new cities (HND, SYD) can be reached via other hubs (DTW for the HND flight, ATL for SYD).


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4661 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Good to see DL restarting these routes. Now DL will fly to:MSP,DTW,ATL,CVG,JFK,CUN,MCO,PBI,TPA,RSW,FLL,LAX

Notice the LAS flight is the same time as the LAX flight is on other days

I am still waiting to see how BDL-Florida will play out with B6. Whether DL intends to fight, or whether they are just keeping the flights in there for now to piss B6 off knowing they will eventually scale back.

BDL-FLL currently has zero non stop and last year had 1-2x in the winter, this winter will have 5x along with a 2nd MIA, so I can't imagine yeilds being overly stellar if everyone stays in the game.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1718 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5768 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9
DEN-ASE 3>4 DEC-, STILL DH4 (?)

CRS' still show the Q400 well into December. A lot of ambiguity about what's going on with ASE. It's believed the E90 will eventually be certified to fly into ASE but no one from inside F9 or Republic (on this forum) has any confirmation on that. If and when that decision is made, Republic will have to begin proving runs of the E90 or whichever aircraft it chooses for ASE.

The Q400's left flying are leased versions and no idea if the return dates this fall are iron clad or if leases are flexible.

[Edited 2010-07-13 14:04:25]

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6748 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL
ATL-CUR 0>1/WK DEC-

Glad to see this one returning, since CUR is a favorite dive destination for my family and I would rather eat glass than connect at MIA.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5726 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BDL-LAS 0>1/WK SEP-
BOS-LAS 0>2/WK SEP-

These have been on DL's downloadable route map for a couple weeks now but I wondered if it was a mistake. Guess not.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DEN-MKE 3>4 OCT-

This makes 6 daily total because 2 flights use the YX code.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MKE-STL 4>3 SEP-

They cut the 6am MKE-STL which was by far the worst performing of the 4, given it was almost all O&D. I hope they use the slack in the OO fleet by trying something new like CID. CAK does well now as a no competition market so I think they should try others.



717,72S,732/3/4/5/G/8/9,744,752/3,763/4,772/3,D9S/5,M8/90,D10,319/20/21,332/3,388,CR2/7/9,EM2,ER4,E70/75/90,SF3,AR8
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 3):
SLC flight back

I have heard that CLT-SLC is coming/returning, either on DL or US.



E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

Japan Airlines is entirely canceling NRT-SFO ?? i see the value of Haneda, but they're now on a downward spiral towards destroying its NRT hub (since u still can't realistically use HND as a outside-of-Japan-connections hub).

that would be like BA switching their NYC-London flights all to LCY and canceling Heathrow service.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 8):
They cut the 6am MKE-STL which was by far the worst performing of the 4

I take that back partially, as of right now they show a really weird schedule past early September. It operates 4 daily on Mondays including the 6am, 3 daily on Tuesdays including the 6am, 3 daily on Wed-Fri not including the 6am, and 2 daily on Sat/Sun without the 6am. Doesn't make much sense to me, it must not be final.



717,72S,732/3/4/5/G/8/9,744,752/3,763/4,772/3,D9S/5,M8/90,D10,319/20/21,332/3,388,CR2/7/9,EM2,ER4,E70/75/90,SF3,AR8
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9328 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 4):
ATL for SYD).

Then you have to fly BOS-ATL-LAX-SYD. I would pick BOS-LAX-SYD over that every time(ok I wouldn't, what airline geek would take a 737 over a 777?)



yep.
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 9):
I have heard that CLT-SLC is coming/returning, either on DL or US.

Erm, I was referring to BDL-SLC.  


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 13):
Erm, I was referring to BDL-SLC.

Yeah, I know. I think they both have a good shot of coming back.



E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
Japan Airlines is entirely canceling NRT-SFO ?? i see the value of Haneda, but they're now on a downward spiral towards destroying its NRT hub (since u still can't realistically use HND as a outside-of-Japan-connections hub).

that would be like BA switching their NYC-London flights all to LCY and canceling Heathrow service.

When you're bankrupt you sometimes have to take drastic action. And accordiing to this week's news, JL is in even worse financial shape than previously announced and is requesting an even larger government bailout.

JL announced in April that when the new HND-SFO route starts in October, NRT-SFO would be dropped. If they can fill the HND flight with Japan O&D traffic, that's going to generate higher yields than carrying a lot of connecting traffic via NRT.
http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201004/001531.html

[Edited 2010-07-13 18:43:22]

User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK
LAS-ORD 5/WK>0 JAN- (didnt realize this was ever loaded, mistake?)

I havent seen this loaded yet.. however I do know at some point next year they will operate ACY-ORD-LAS and return, but I don't believe it will be in January, most likely not until spring.

Hers is the press release:
http://www.sjta.com/acairport/news_item.asp?publicationID=20&ID=1657



I have no association with Spirit Airlines
User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):

I am still waiting to see how BDL-Florida will play out with B6. Whether DL intends to fight, or whether they are just keeping the flights in there for now to piss B6 off knowing they will eventually scale back.

DL will be ending BDL-TPA after Labor Day if that is any indication...

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 9):
I have heard that CLT-SLC is coming/returning, either on DL or US.

Not to make this about CLT, but I really doubt you will see DL restart CLT-SLC. It makes even less sense for them now than it did in 2008, since most of the smaller cities in the NW can be reached via MSP. Adding an SLC flight would open but a half dozen cities or so that don't currently have 1-stop service from CLT on DL. IMO, there is a much better chance of seeing US on this route than DL.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 17):
Adding an SLC flight would open but a half dozen cities or so that don't currently have 1-stop service from CLT on DL. IMO, there is a much better chance of seeing US on this route than DL.

Your right, and these cities probably have little market flying to CLT. BDL has a better shot. I think US has a good shot in SLC-CLT though.



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User currently offlinekbmiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CMI-DTW 2>0 SEP-

Does this mean that CMI will only have American Eagle?


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9328 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 17):

DL will be ending BDL-TPA after Labor Day if that is any indication...

Yes but it will be coming back in Jan sometime.

Just looked comes back on Dec. 18

[Edited 2010-07-13 20:13:53]


yep.
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 17):
DL will be ending BDL-TPA after Labor Day if that is any indication...

DL is basically breaking down the last of their once extensive Florida P2P route network, as they're also ending BDL-PBI that day. MCO will be the only BDL-Florida route for DL come September.

It's not a direct reaction to B6, who isn't even starting their flights to BDL until November, and TPA/PBI aren't even BDL launch cities for them. DL is making it pretty clear on a larger scale that they're done with these types of routes. Look at Boston. They're down to only MCO as well.


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