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AF443 Returned To GIG, Not Working Toilets  
User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10066 times:

Just a few days after the false bomb alarm flight AF443 had to return to GIG due to non-working toilets.

http://avherald.com/h?article=42e42b76&opt=0

From airfrance.com:

Flight left from Rio de Janeiro (GIG) at 16:23 Tue 13 Jul 10
Returns from Rio de Janeiro (GIG) at 22:12 Tue 13 Jul 10

Scheduled departure from Rio de Janeiro (GIG) at 23:55, Wed 14 Jul 10
Scheduled arrival in Paris (CDG) at 15:35, Thu 15 Jul 10

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User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9995 times:

Quoting Robffm2 (Thread starter):
Flight left from Rio de Janeiro (GIG) at 16:23 Tue 13 Jul 10
Returns from Rio de Janeiro (GIG) at 22:12 Tue 13 Jul 10

Scheduled departure from Rio de Janeiro (GIG) at 23:55, Wed 14 Jul 10
Scheduled arrival in Paris (CDG) at 15:35, Thu 15 Jul 10

long delays and plane went tech again the next day, not noce for the passengers?!

regards
musapapaya



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9962 times:

Nobody would have talked about this non event if it didn't occur on a GIG-CDG flight ...   

User currently offlinealwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9799 times:

Does that explain the 2 AF B744 I saw at GIG this morning?

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9496 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
Nobody would have talked about this non event if it didn't occur on a GIG-CDG flight ...

lol

That's for sure now one of the routes with the "most" visibility to AF
Good that we receive almost "daily" information about real loads... 420 and now 437.. that's good for AF, at least.

Quoting alwaysontherun (Reply 3):
Does that explain the 2 AF B744 I saw at GIG this morning?

Yes ! One will depart late night



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User currently offlineULMFlyer From Brazil, joined Sep 2006, 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9404 times:

Maybe thay should have landed at SSA and then asked for a "mãe-de-santo" to bless the airplane and the airline!

How are they getting such high loads with all this bad publicity (though the bomb threat is not really their fault)? Low yields compared to JJ or LH? Not enough capacity to Europe for July (winter vacation)?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9185 times:
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Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 5):
How are they getting such high loads with all this bad publicity (though the bomb threat is not really their fault)? Low yields compared to JJ or LH? Not enough capacity to Europe for July (winter vacation)?

In fact there's a true lack of flights from Rio to Europe right now (JJ will close the gap next August with 5x weekly GIG-FRA and 3x weekly GIG-LHR). AF service isn't bad and i believe it's just a (sad) combination of two separate incidents.

AF history in Rio is strong and they've been the airline with the most seats between Rio and Europe (and will continue even with TAM new operations!) plus July is the busiest month !



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User currently offlineDanVS From Brazil, joined Jul 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9119 times:

Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 5):
How are they getting such high loads with all this bad publicity

Cheap tickets.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
AF service isn't bad

Service isn't bad, but there's no PTV/AVOD and the 744s seem aged (and the one in question is 18 years old).
Pax from Rio would have a better experience if AF used a combination of 773+772 on this route, instead of the 744+332.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24906 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9070 times:

Quoting DanVS (Reply 7):
Pax from Rio would have a better experience if AF used a combination of 773+772 on this route, instead of the 744+332.

I disagree. 10-abreast in Y class on a 747 is more comfortable than a 10-abreast 777. And the 332 is the best of all with it's 2-4-2 configuration.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8803 times:
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Quoting DanVS (Reply 7):
Service isn't bad, but there's no PTV/AVOD and the 744s seem aged (and the one in question is 18 years old).
Pax from Rio would have a better experience if AF used a combination of 773+772 on this route, instead of the 744+332.

In fact there is PTV for their premium customers (Business and upper deck where they place Frequent Flyers) and 3 out of the 12 B744 have PTV on all seats.



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

Quoting DanVS (Reply 7):
Service isn't bad, but there's no PTV/AVOD and the 744s seem aged (and the one in question is 18 years old).
Pax from Rio would have a better experience if AF used a combination of 773+772 on this route, instead of the 744+332.

AF B747 is complete trash. Sorry to say this, but they are the worst in AF/KL fleet and should be avoided at all cost. AF B747 has the oldest business cabin, to be avoided always.

No wonder they are about to be phased out from AF fleet, but avoid it while you can.

Rgs,


User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Lol,i wish AF changes the flight name lolol!

This flight has flown into the path of fame :P!

Anyways, loos not working in a Boeing 747 is a problem indeed   



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User currently offlineNorlander From Faroe Islands, joined Sep 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

They should put one of their A388 on this route. Then it's state of the art, with inflight entertainment and good better seating.

Are there any plans to do that?



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6277 times:

Twelve replies under this title and the word "merde" has not apperaed. That's what I would have said as a passenger on that flight.  


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User currently offlineTJM321 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 10):

I second this; just flew AF332 to BOS a couple of months ago on F-GITD, and the 744 wasn't in the best of shape. Would have rather had a 332, 777, or even a 343. GIG-CDG could use something more passenger-friendly (albeit perhaps less nostalgic) than the 744.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):

I'm sure it was brought up more than once  


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

How come the flight had to return to GIG? Why not REC? Just wondering.

User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

Quoting TJM321 (Reply 14):
I second this; just flew AF332 to BOS a couple of months ago on F-GITD, and the 744 wasn't in the best of shape. Would have rather had a 332, 777, or even a 343. GIG-CDG could use something more passenger-friendly (albeit perhaps less nostalgic) than the 744.

Exactly. This is why I always avoid the B747, in the case of GIG I fly daylight with the A332 to avoid the B747.

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 15):
How come the flight had to return to GIG? Why not REC? Just wondering.

Perhaps because in GIG it would be easier to repair and AF would not need to spend on hotel accommodation?

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5116 times:
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Quoting Norlander (Reply 12):
They should put one of their A388 on this route. Then it's state of the art, with inflight entertainment and good better seating.

Are there any plans to do that?

In fact not, but the A388 would be fantastic. May be in the future, if Rio continues to improve and attract business.

Quoting TJM321 (Reply 14):
I second this; just flew AF332 to BOS a couple of months ago on F-GITD, and the 744 wasn't in the best of shape. Would have rather had a 332, 777, or even a 343. GIG-CDG could use something more passenger-friendly (albeit perhaps less nostalgic) than the 744.

The daylight used a A332 but for the redeye CDG-GIG, the problem is that the demand is big and unless AF decides to use smaller planes, even the B744 in general is not able to deal with the demand.

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 15):
How come the flight had to return to GIG? Why not REC? Just wondering

AF staff provide support in Rio. REC is not a base for them.



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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 16):
Perhaps because in GIG it would be easier to repair and AF would not need to spend on hotel accommodation?

Being 3 hours into an 12 hours flight I'm pretty sure that it was clear from the beginning that they would have to stay overnight.

Quoting Robffm2,reply=0
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Flight left from Rio de Janeiro (GIG) at 16:23 Tue 13 Jul 10
Returns from Rio de Janeiro (GIG) at 22:12 Tue 13 Jul 10

Scheduled departure from Rio de Janeiro (GIG) at 23:55, Wed 14 Jul 10
Scheduled arrival in Paris (CDG) at 15:35, Thu 15 Jul 10


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4608 times:
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Quoting robffm2 (Reply 18):
Being 3 hours into an 12 hours flight I'm pretty sure that it was clear from the beginning that they would have to stay overnight

Correct, plus they need to fix the lavatories. I do not expect TAP MHRO at GIG to have full staff at 1 AM and the crew would have to rest for a new journey.



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 18):
Being 3 hours into an 12 hours flight I'm pretty sure that it was clear from the beginning that they would have to stay overnight.

Indeed, but AF has corporate agreement with hotel chain in Rio called Windsor. I know that business pax are put at the Windsor Excelsior Hotel in Copacabana - it happened to me this year, with a late AF arrival meaning I could not get my connection with G3 and AF ground staff told me they have a very good hotel agreement with Windsor chain. They also told me that AF Y pax are put at the Windsor Guanabara at downtown Rio. And you can complain as you want, they will not put you at a hotel in Ipanema or Leblon...forget about it...

Also note that maintenace facilities in GIG are much better as compared to REC, so I think both factors played a role when deciding to return the aircraft to GIG instead of landing REC. GIG also counts with ground staff to provide assistance.

Rgs,


User currently offlinealwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
In fact not, but the A388 would be fantastic. May be in the future, if Rio continues to improve and attract business.

That's a good "if".
For the massive metropolitan city that it is, GIG is disgrace for Rio.
I use Santos Dumont whenever I can.....

The signs "we are working to make Rio International one of the best airports in the world" always make me chuckle.
The 1st time I saw them it was a supporting smile, it by now became a sarcastic grin.

It is still a horrible concrete jungle with a pathetic choice in shopping / dining.
And the 1 man receiving the custom cards at "Nothing to Declare" did not make the toilet unhappy pax of AF any happier.
I got caught for over an hour the other day, a queue as long as the room with all conveyor belts.
The lack of ATM's at arrivals did not help the experience.

With the Olympics and the FIFA World Cup coming up, I guess we will see some sweat flying around there in the years to come.

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User currently offlineRodRB From Brazil, joined Feb 2010, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Not a good week at all for AFR in Brazil.

AFR455 GRU-CDG with 227 pax on board was cancelled this afternoon due tecnical problems in the fuselage!

Portuguese only : http://noticias.br.msn.com/artigo.aspx?cp-documentid=24889953


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4199 times:
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Quoting alwaysontherun (Reply 21):
For the massive metropolitan city that it is, GIG is disgrace for Rio.
I use Santos Dumont whenever I can

It's getting better, but don't expect Brazilian airports made of glass anytime soon. They will continue to be made in concrete and the big problem is the old project but not the material. I agree that the best would be to begin again and build a world-class terminal replacing T1 and T2, with a concourse.



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Quoting RodRB (Reply 22):
Not a good week at all for AFR in Brazil.

AFR455 GRU-CDG with 227 pax on board was cancelled this afternoon due tecnical problems in the fuselage!

Portuguese only : http://noticias.br.msn.com/artigo.as...89953

Correct, AF455 B772 also canceled due to fuselage problem! 227 pax onboard (91% load in this 4 class configured airplane). Horrible week for AF in Brazil...

Quoting alwaysontherun (Reply 21):
For the massive metropolitan city that it is, GIG is disgrace for Rio.
I use Santos Dumont whenever I can.....

GIG is a shame to us all in Brazil. And the renovations INFRAERO is undertaking in GIG is a complete joke as the airport remains very oudated and old fashioned. GIG neds a complete new and modern terminal.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 23):
. I agree that the best would be to begin again and build a world-class terminal replacing T1 and T2, with a concourse.

Correct, Lipe. They new to build a new terminal replacing T1, this is the only way ahead.

Rgs,


25 robffm2 : Scheduled Sao Paulo, Guarulhos Intl (GRU) - Brazil 16:15 le 15 July 2010 Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - France 08:25 le 16 July 2010 Rescheduled Sa
26 LipeGIG : Another problem yesterday , now with AF445 (the late night GIG-CDG) with Airbus A330-200. Flight rescheduled for departure late night Sunday due to te
27 AF1624 : Why is all that happening only on the AF brazilian routes ? So much occurences in such a small period of time make me think of sabotage rather than co
28 LipeGIG : I don't know what is going on, but it's very strange that always on Brazil-CDG route. Agree that the A332 is a real nice product.
29 varig md-11 : I believe all A332s with AF have PTV...at least all the ones I flew had them Are you sure you don't mix up with the ex-UTA 767 AF had years ago? old
30 LipeGIG : I believe AF is a little more comfortable. It carries less passengers than JJ A332.
31 varig md-11 : Now you mention it, it's true some JJ A332s have these Y seats just in front of the toilets...the Ycabin seems a bit more crowded indeed And there is
32 LipeGIG : Correct. JJ big advantage is the small F cabin (talking about GIG-CDG) but 6 out of 36J are not available for sale as they are reserved for the crew.
33 Post contains links ULMFlyer : http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2010...r-problemas-tecnicos-917175940.asp My sister sent me the link above (she's about to buy a GIG-CDG ticket), but
34 LipeGIG : They had problems with the B744, A332 and B772. I did not consider the first one, which was not an aircraft problem, among them.
35 AF1624 : When Hi ! When I say "old tv screens", I actually mean PTV's but without video on demand. Some of them have like 9 channels that run different movies
36 Post contains images goldorak : all AF A332 have PTV and all are with VOD
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