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JFK Peak Time Departure Question  
User currently offlinen88kb From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 56 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

Hi,
I flew BA JFK-LGW a couple of years ago and was quite surprised that was no waiting for take off. We taxied to 22R and departed straight away. The time was around 6pm and I thought this would of being peak time for JFK. Even the pilot announced that we would have to wait for at least 30 mins. Could the flight be fast tracked in any way?

Cheers,

N88KB

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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4587 times:
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On good days at peak departure times (evening), when the winds are favorable, JFK uses two runways for takeoffs (usually the combination of 31L and 22R). Eastbound European departures would usually use 22R while westbound and southbound departures would use 31L. This speeds things up considerably and usually means anywhere from 10 to 25 minutes of taxi time.

User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

Quoting n88kb (Thread starter):
Could the flight be fast tracked in any way?

Three years ago, I was on an LT flight JFK-DUS (at the time it was still LT). We had been delayed at the gate for some reason or other and were then given a priority taxi for some reason. In any event, we waited for a three or four a/c to take off, and then when we were first in line, they changed runways. We went from first...to last.

But as panamair was saying, there were probably two runways in use on the day of your flight.



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User currently offlinedartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4207 times:
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What day of week was it? Some days are much worse than others (Saturday is notably better).

User currently offlinen88kb From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Quoting dartland (Reply 3):



If I can recall it was a cold late Janurary Monday. Funny I was actually looking forward to experience the JFK jam. Don't get much congestion like that in Australia!

Thanks for the replies.

N88KB


User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3763 times:
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Quoting n88kb (Reply 4):
If I can recall it was a cold late Janurary Monday. Funny I was actually looking forward to experience the JFK jam. Don't get much congestion like that in Australia!

I love the JFK Conga Line because there is nothing like it in teh world. Is it charming, no, its like George Steinbrenner and the Yankees, a very New York type of thing.


User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

This thread cracks me up. Trust me, when you've sat in the JFK Conga line enough times (for both departure and arrival), it loses its romance quite quickly!

@ OP, agreed with the others, probably a good day where they were using a dual-runway setup for departures.


User currently offlinedartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3659 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
I love the JFK Conga Line because there is nothing like it in teh world. Is it charming, no, its like George Steinbrenner and the Yankees, a very New York type of thing.

Awesome quote. As a New Yorker and Yankees fan -- I agree completely.

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 6):
Trust me, when you've sat in the JFK Conga line enough times (for both departure and arrival), it loses its romance quite quickly!

Also very true. Nothing quite like the words "we are 48th in line for take-off" to induce a collective groan from the passengers.


Of course the best thing about the departure delays at JFK is that when there is no line, you land at your destination way in advance. One Saturday evening JFK-LAX on VX we pulled into the gate at LAX 75 minutes early. I guess VX didn't adjust their schedules for Saturday flights when the line is generally much shorter.


User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3616 times:
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But teh opposite is also true, if you take a morning or very early afternoon flight out of JFK there is no wait ( most of teh time).

Once, going to Colombia to a wedding, connecting in Miami on AA( I avoided LGA like a plague), the JFK to MIA flight on an A300 had a no hassle taxi( it was a long way though, JFK runways are long) and no wait to take-off, it was lunchtime.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

One thing is for sure JFK is a mess during peak hours because in my optinion the FAA or whoever is in charge of the traffic coordination do not have things under control. I mean it is a joke if supposedly a thunderstorm is miles and miles away and the whole airport almost colapses by delaying departures and arrivals drastically.

User currently offlinedc10srule From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 9):
One thing is for sure JFK is a mess during peak hours because in my optinion the FAA or whoever is in charge of the traffic coordination do not have things under control. I mean it is a joke if supposedly a thunderstorm is miles and miles away and the whole airport almost colapses by delaying departures and arrivals drastically.

LXA340 - keep in mind that there are 2 other very busy airports in the vicinity (LGA, EWR) that severely constrict the ability of JFK to make unilateral runway changes (to avoid weather) without affecting those other operations.
I agree that operations may grind to a halt during adverse weather but, unlike most other airports, JFK has a very unique setup that defies creativity and ad hoc runway changes.

Air France can tell you a thing or two about operations in and around thunderstorms. Any delay is a small price to pay to arrive safely at the other end wouldn't you agree?

JA



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User currently offlineTWA757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

My cousin was flying JFK-AUS on B6 on Monday night. Her flight was supposed to leave just after 8 pm and it didn't take off until just before 12:30 am, putting her into Austin just before 3 am CST. I didn't envy her that night. I know there were also weather issues earlier in the week, but I'm sure Monday nights at JFK are also terrible anyway.

User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3233 times:
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Part of the problem at JFK today maybe JetBlue. The last few times flying out of JFK during the " Inernational push" there were as many JB A320's as Delta 767's. JB could be encouraged to have less evening flights since it doesn't fly to Europe. There should be an adjustment of the peak time costs to favor widebodied airplanes.

User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

Quoting TWA757 (Reply 11):
I'm sure Monday nights at JFK are also terrible anyway

Based on personal experience, Thursday-Saturday is a lot worse-Mondays usually tend to be fairly sane.

The post-peak period, when some of the delayed flights take off, can also be quite problematic. I was on the CX JFK-YVR-HKG two years ago, and our 10:50pm departure was stuck behind some leftover traffic.



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