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Allegiant To Announce COS To LGB & AZA  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Allegiant has a 10am press conference scheduled today to announce new flights from Colorado Springs.

The new destinations from COS are supposed to be AZA and LGB.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/beach-101574-phoenix-air.html

The Arizona service comes after US cancelled COS-PHX earlier this year.

The potential LGB announcement would likely use the remaining G4 slot openings at LGB.


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Can someone remind me just how many LGB slots they have?

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

2 daily slots.

The announced usage so far (before knowing COS) is:
Sun 2 flights (SCK, BLI)
Mon 2 flights (SCK, IDA)
Tues 1 flight (BLI)
Wed 1 flight (SCK)
Thurs 2 flights (SCK, BLI)
Fri 2 flights (SCK, IDA)
Sat 0 flights



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Looks like both routes start Sept 15.

Flights will operate Wed/Sat to both AZA and LGB.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 3):
Flights will operate Wed/Sat to both AZA and LGB.

Maybe they will have 1 more city out of LGB...could do Tues/Sat combo.

Good for COS!


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5603 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

I sure wish G4 would consider COS-SAN. That route did well with XJ and I know there is a (hidden) market over that city pair. (Actually DOT figures for 4Q09 show 90 pax/day flew between SAN and The Springs and who-knows how many flew SAN-DEN and then surfaced down the 25. So the market isn't all that hidden.)

Pardon me; just doing some more California Dreamin' here...

bb


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Well, could COS-HNL be far behind?

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 2):
The announced usage so far (before knowing COS) is:
Sun 2 flights (SCK, BLI)
Mon 2 flights (SCK, IDA)
Tues 1 flight (BLI)
Wed 1 flight (SCK)
Thurs 2 flights (SCK, BLI)
Fri 2 flights (SCK, IDA)
Sat 0 flights
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 3):
Flights will operate Wed/Sat to both AZA and LGB.

Stockton must be losing a Wednesday frequency, then, as only one is currently available.

-Dave



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):
Well, could COS-HNL be far behind?

That's a long stretch for even a 752.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):
Stockton must be losing a Wednesday frequency, then, as only one is currently available.

No, remember they only need 1 Wednesday slot for COS-LGB. COS-AZA is not slot limited. SCK-LGB is staying at 5X per week for now.

It leaves a Tues/Sat combination left at LGB for possibly one more city.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 8):
No, remember they only need 1 Wednesday slot for COS-LGB. COS-AZA is not slot limited. SCK-LGB is staying at 5X per week for now.

LOL! "Moron, party of one, your table is now ready!" - I need to think before I type.  

-Dave



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7):
That's a long stretch for even a 752.

No not really. Just one example, DL does JFK-AGP at 3,659 miles. COS-HNL is only 3,357.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 10):
No not really. Just one example, DL does JFK-AGP at 3,659 miles. COS-HNL is only 3,357.

I don't really know anything, but based on the discussions in the Hawaiian G4 thread, and the coincidental addition of COS to the network, I am inclined to think that COS is at least in the running as one of the Hawaiian-originating airports. If I were G4, I'd certainly be looking to get the most bang for my buck out of any new city. They obviously have plenty of options to choose from already to Hawaii, but my sense is that COS may be on that list at some point, too.

-Dave



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
I sure wish G4 would consider COS-SAN. That route did well with XJ and I know there is a (hidden) market over that city pair. (Actually DOT figures for 4Q09 show 90 pax/day flew between SAN and The Springs and who-knows how many flew SAN-DEN and then surfaced down the 25. So the market isn't all that hidden.)

Pardon me; just doing some more California Dreamin' here...

I have no real hard numbers but I did the SAN and ONT flights to COS a lot when XE (not XJ) was doing branded and those flights always had good loads.

What I am not so sure of is that COS can pull pax out of DEN. Even living in Highlands Ranch South of 470 driving to COS was still very inconvenient. 470 makes it too easy to get to DEN. There are always going to be people like my wife who would rather take the drive because the airport experience at COS is small and easy but I think that there are too many like myself who would rather spend less time in the car and have all the options that DEN provides.

Now if there was a HNL flight that was far cheaper than anything out of DEN I would make the drive to COS from my current location about 60 miles North of DEN but I doubt that they could be THAT much cheaper than what United can do out of DEN.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 11):
I don't really know anything, but based on the discussions in the Hawaiian G4 thread, and the coincidental addition of COS to the network, I am inclined to think that COS is at least in the running as one of the Hawaiian-originating airports.

Uhmmm, its not a coincidental addition Dave. (I've had these kind of days too   )

COS-LAS has been flown by Allegiant since Feb 14, 2002. Its second only to FAT-LAS in terms of history and number of years that G4 has continuously flown any route.

But Allegiant has said several times in presentations since the 757 purchase was announced that the aircraft would allow them to reach the Rockies from Hawaii. So I think COS is a strong contender.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5603 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 12):
I have no real hard numbers but I did the SAN and ONT flights to COS a lot when XE (not XJ) was doing branded and those flights always had good loads.
What I am not so sure of is that COS can pull pax out of DEN. Even living in Highlands Ranch South of 470 driving to COS was still very inconvenient. 470 makes it too easy to get to DEN. There are always going to be people like my wife who would rather take the drive because the airport experience at COS is small and easy but I think that there are too many like myself who would rather spend less time in the car and have all the options that DEN provides

Thanks for the catch on "XJ", UAL'; I even looked it up but my fingers didn't pay attention to what my so-called brain told them to type.

As far as COS vs DEN, fares will certainly play a major part in the decision about which cx to use from which airport. Normally DEN would be less expensive than COS but then G4 can change that equation easily. I know there are folks in the DEN-area who would prefer the 60 mile dirve south -- like your wife -- while there are people all over Colorado who will drive right past their local airport all the way to DIA for flights.

All I am sure of is that a lot of people who show up today as SAN-DEN traffic are really headed for COS. G4 probably has good figures on the amount of that leakage but I still think 2 or 3x weekly between The Springs and SAN would be successful for G4.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7):
That's [COS-HNL] a long stretch for even a 752

Someone (UAL'?) feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but did UA not use the 757 on DEN-HNL in the not-too-distant past? (I'm positive I remember putting my son on one for his return from HNL to Aurora about 9 years ago...)

bb


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Congrats G4! I wonder if US will bring the route back with YV?

On a side note, while looking at the artists drawing of the terminal expansion at Phoenix Mesa Gateway airport that is currently underway, the picture shows 4 or 5 white computer generated MD-80s and coming in from the side their is an all white 757 nose ( to the second set of doors) joining them. Coincidence or a hint of things to come? ( I know its a pipe dream but...)



Hope everyone is having an outstanding day!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Yes UA has eek'ed out DEN-Hawaii on 757s.
One thing to note however they have a relative spacious ~180 config, compared to cattle car ~220 that Allegiant will end up with. Difference in 40 passengers and bags is a lot of weight.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 8):
SCK-LGB is staying at 5X per week for now.

It leaves a Tues/Sat combination left at LGB for possibly one more city.

Looks like I spoke too soon.

I was just in the res system and SCK-LGB will drop to 3X per week as of October 4 and stay there thru the end of the current booking window (1/31/11 is the current booking window for Allegiant).

That will now mean 1 open slot at LGB still remains for G4 on Mon/Tues/Thurs/Sat, the Mon/Thurs will be available starting Oct 4.

We should see 1 or 2 more cities announced for LGB to use those in the coming days.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):

Yes UA has eek'ed out DEN-Hawaii on 757s.
One thing to note however they have a relative spacious ~180 config, compared to cattle car ~220 that Allegiant will end up with. Difference in 40 passengers and bags is a lot of weight.

That's a good point. Though G4 won't have any cargo so maybe that will help. I wonder if there will be restrictions during the summer.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Yes UA has eek'ed out DEN-Hawaii on 757s.
One thing to note however they have a relative spacious ~180 config, compared to cattle car ~220 that Allegiant will end up with. Difference in 40 passengers and bags is a lot of weight.

Aaaaand COS is 1000 feet higher than DEN. Asked this in the last thread but got no response: what kind of range doeas a heavily loaded 752 have when taking off from 6200 feet, in 100 degree weather like this week?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5603 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Perhaps if COS-HNL is getting a little iffy as far as range, G4 will do a tag-on arrangement, such as COS-FAT-HNL. Maybe not even carrying local traffic between CO and CA on the flight, but just stopping in FAT for fuel, ETOPS checks, and of course, more pax. (Of course any other California city could be substituted for Fresno.) This would not require a change to the G4 "no connections" policy, and it would also negate the need for any ETOPS-certified personnel in COS.

Of course this type of scheduling could also open up other mountain zone or even midwest cities to direct service to Hawaii.

I can't recall any statements from management excluding this idea from possibility.

bb


User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2188 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
Perhaps if COS-HNL is getting a little iffy as far as range, G4 will do a tag-on arrangement, such as COS-FAT-HNL. Maybe not even carrying local traffic between CO and CA on the flight, but just stopping in FAT for fuel, ETOPS checks, and of course, more pax. (Of course any other California city could be substituted for Fresno.) This would not require a change to the G4 "no connections" policy, and it would also negate the need for any ETOPS-certified personnel in COS.

While that would reflect a departure from their traditional business plan, I agree that could very well be the answer for thin markets. High density 757's will be a challenge to fill on a 12 month basis. As to COS-FAT, there is a limited O&D in the market. AIr 21, when they did FAT-COS with a stop in SLC, put maybe 25 pax on their daily flight. Maybe?


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 13):
hmmm, its not a coincidental addition Dave. (I've had these kind of days too )

Oye.   Some days, I should just listen.

-Dave



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