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Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4123 times:

Hi everyone!

Not sure if you have heard of this. Boeing planned a B 747-700 a few years ago. It is called the NLA and it has similar size, as well as outlook as the A 380.

Boeing747-400 has the details for this. Since he has posted a topic, as well as a photo about the B 747-700 (NLA).

Before Boeing reaches the BWB point, they may need a huge plane to compete with the A 380. So, is there a chance for this aircraft? The B 747-700 (NLA) I mean.

Any idea?  Smile



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User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3843 times:

This photo and article was taken from Teahan's post awhile ago.




I think it would of been a beautiful bird, but Boeing realized in the 80s that it was to early to think of such a plane. I think Boeing wil soon realize that the time has come and start selling the 747X and -Stretch seriously.

Rgds,

B744


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3801 times:

Thanks for the info.

But do you think they will EVER launch the B 747-700 some day? I mean......... eventually. I believe so. When the time has come.........

How about you?  Smile


User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3791 times:

I think Boeing will eventually launch the larger 747s, but the 747-700 was dropped a long time ago. So, will the 747-700 be launched? No. But Boeing will launch larger 747s when the time comes.


Rgds,

B744


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3780 times:

Sounds cool.

As you may know, Boeing cancelled the B 747-500/600 project a few years ago. However, they relaunched similar products which are the B 747X/B 747 X Stretch.

So, do you they they will do that to the B 747-700X eventually? I mean launching an NLA which is as big as the B 747-700X........

Possible?


User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Of course, when the market comes, Boeing will launch a new NLA. But it will be awhile because the A380 and 747X Stretch will be doing the NLA business for a long time.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

Good to hear that. Maybe in 10 years time? What do you think Boeing747-400?

I heard that the NLA is even bigger than the A 380. Can anyone confirm this?

 Smile


User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Yes it is larger. I'd say more like 20 yrs time before we see another NLA after the A380 and B747X Stretch. The A380 is actually like a 747 with a long upper deck, it isn't as big as you think, it is smaller than the C5, and a little larger than a 744 in dimensions, only it has the long upperdeck.

User currently offlineCYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

It looks almost identical to the A380! I think Boeing should concentrate on aircraft sizes that they are producing now. All they are doing is distracting possible A380 customers.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

That would be cool!

Correct! The A 380 is not that hig. It is just slightly bigger than the B 747-400, with its stretched upper deck. The AN 225 is WAY bigger.

The new NLA (Probably called the B 747-700) will be a successor of the B 747X Stretch. Probably UAL, BA etc WILL order the NLA when Boeing launches it in 20 years time.

The future of the B 747 is unlimited!!!! Boeing has great plans in hand for the B 747. Let us now see how successful the B 747-400 LR will be (Sorry to burst the bubbles of those who think that the B 777 is everything).  Smile




User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

One more thing, nice chat with you Kevin.  Smile

User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

I don't think the 747-700 will ever be launched. I do think that Boeing will come out with a large and different plane, but it will probably have it's own name. The NLA war of 2001-2020 has only begun with the A380 and larger 747s, so let's not even start guessing what happens beyond that United Airline.  Smile

Nice to chat with you to.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

True. The new NLA will probably have its own name. But I will not rule out the possibility of it being a family member of the B 747.  Smile

However, what I would like to point out is that: Boeing has indeed put in a lot of effort into the B 747 and will continue in doing so. The future of the B 747 is unlimited.

The first weapon is out......... The B 747-400LR.

Anyway, let's see.



User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

*ahem*

re: "(the A380) is smaller than the c5"

-The C-5's MTOW is 840,000 lbs, MUCH less than the A380 (base model's will be 1,235,000 lbs)

re: "The An-225 is WAY bigger (than the 380)".

-I believe the An-225's MTOW is 1,322,750 lbs or so, only 8% or so bigger than the base A-380, and certainly LESS than the eventual stretched version.




Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

I doubt that the A 380 will ever be built larger than the AN 225.

AN 225 is the largest plane ever built.


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3700 times:


First, let me say that the Boeing 747 is my favourite aircraft of all time. That having been said, I do not think that we will see anything significantly bigger from Boeing....there will not be any justification for it. Airbus will satisfy the narrow market that aircraft of that size can generate.

The biggest market for the 747 from now forward will be as a "cheap" super freighter. I say cheap because it will be able to sell for much less than the A380 freighter.

Another market will appear when the 747 starts to become a prestige-enhancing flagship for third world airlines. This happened to the 707 when the 747 appeared. The first signs of this have already begun to show. Just this week Air Gabon ordered a 747-400 for its flights to Europe and major African capitals. Air Namibia also ordered and received one last year for service to Europe.

Boeing realizes that the time has come to move on from the 747 and into the world of near-supersonic and supersonic aircraft. Unlike large cruise ships, most people do not like sitting aboard large planes for long durations. The world wants SPEED not size. I bet that they will concentrate on getting a very fast plane with the capacity of the 777 into the air by 2020 (the supersonic "issues" should be resolved by then). They have already made a move in that direction by focusing their efforts on the new Sonic Cruiser. The issue with that one is that it will only fly at Mach 0.98.

As Boeing gets closer to producing a large superfast transport, Airbus will realize the mistake that they have made by investing in the A380.


User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

 Smile

you may well be right Des, but in any case, the 225 will not be WAY bigger than the 380. don't get me wrong, I love the Antonovs... just stating a fact!




Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineBoeing747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

A plane after me, Boeing how thankful I am. I feel so honored!!!~~~~~

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Reggaebird:


Existing B 744 customers DO NEED the capacity of B 744s and many of them DO NOT need the A 380. So, there are still plenty of rooms for the B 747-400LR.

The reason why we aren't getting that many B 744 orders is because......... the B 744s owned by existing customers are way too new to be replaced. Do expect large orders of the B 744LR when existing B 744s need to be replaced.


Des


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

BOEING747-700:


You are right!  Smile  Smile  Smile

I hope Boeing will re-launch the B 747-700 some time in the future.


Des


User currently offlineYqfca From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Boeing is going ahead with a longer range version of the 747-400 called the 500. The dimentions of this aircraft are the same as the 400 except for the winglets, that will be of different design. The take off weight will be increased and consequently the range. For the 600 or stretched version there was no interest from the airlines. So Boeing pulled their engineers from that project to focus on the "Sonic Cruiser" that has received a lot of interest from the airlines.

User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Jean Leloup,

The A380 is really not as big as you think. It is a few ft longer than a 747, and has the upper deck all the way. The C5-A is bigger than the A380, regardless of MTOW. THe A380 will fit into airports nicely with 747s, because it will be sort of like seeing a 747 with a long upper deck when you're there. The An-225 is MUCH bigger than the A380.


User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Well, the A380 is very fat if you want to compare it to a 747! The u/d of a 747 can only have a 3-3 configuration of economy but the u/d of the A380 can have a 340 configuration of 2-4-2!! So the 380 is NOT like a 747 with a stretched u/d. I think that the difference will be obvious.

User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Boeing747-400,

In reality, the A380 has a significantly wider wingspan and weighs much more than the 747-400. Almost all of the existing airports that hope to service the airplane will require infrastructure upgrades to accomodate it. Gate areas must be widened, taxiways (and possibly runways) must be widened and strengthened, jetways will need to be modified (and possibly replaced) and the ramp areas must be strengthened to prevent the planes from SINKING while on the stand.

These requirements are already being discussed/addressed at airports like LHR, JFK, SIN and SYD but there are much more that will need to get moving soon.

Thornton


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Boeing also had a proposal for a "super widebody". This particular aircraft had an economy seating arrangement of 12-14 abreast seating on one deck. A 3-4-4-3 arrangement I think. This did grab the attention of some airlines because the evacuation worries were not as great as for the double deck arrangement. I remember reading about it in AW&ST, but I don't remember when it was.

As far as the 747-700, it won't happen. To much emphasis on the sonic criuser and updating the 744.


25 United Airline : Boeing_nut: You mean the BWB? That is a double decker as well. However, safety issues is another problem that Boeing has to solve. For the B 747-700,
26 Boeing nut : No, not the BWB. It was a standard configuration aircraft. I'll try to find the article.
27 United Airline : Double Deckor???
28 Reggaebird : UnitedAirline, Please see the comparison chart on the attached URL. It believe that it shows that the A380 is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than the 747-400. W
29 Tg 747-300 : It's nicer than the A380 thats all I can say. The cocpit on the 2. floor is much nicer, and it still has the 747 look alike nose. Hope to see it one t
30 Boeing747-400 : Reggaebird, The A380 will not be as large as the C5-A. However, when you see a 744 and a C5-A close up together, there really isn't that big of a diff
31 Reggaebird : Boeing 747-400, The width of the fuselage is irrelevant. Please look at the wingspan figures for the A380. There is a 50ft difference in the width and
32 Boeing747-400 : Of course it is wider and taller, but so is the C5-A. I am just telling you, all and all, don't expect to see a huge difference in B744 and A380 size
33 Reggaebird : Boeing 747-400, With all due respect, if you don't think that those dimension increases make a difference, then I would question your knowledge about
34 AA767Boy : this is a Boeing vs. Airbus war in the makings.
35 Boeing747-400 : No need to talk like that. I never denied that the A380 is bigger. It is bigger than the 744. But, not a lot bigger as you say. If you look at the who
36 Post contains images Reggaebird : OK, we agree to disagree. However, I think that I understand why you refuse to see the truth. Let's just say......"it's always BIGGER in Texas". Stop
37 Post contains images Boeing747-400 : You think I understand why I don't see the truth? Well, look who think's they're always right now. I tell yuo what I've seen, and that we will see the
38 Jean leloup : Hate to add fuel to the fire, but Here we go: 747-400 A380-100 C-5A Length 232 ft 240 ft 247 ft Wingspan 211 ft 262 ft 223 ft Height 64 ft 79 ft 65 ft
39 Reggaebird : Just some dimensions to hammer the point home! B747-400 - 231' 10" long, 211' 5" wingspan, 63' 8" tall C-5 Galaxy - 247' 10" long, 222' 8" wingspan,
40 Boeing nut : United, No, not a double decker. It was an oval fuselage design, but from side to side. Not top to bottom. Still trying to find the article.
41 Boeing747-400 : Reggaebird, Maybe I was wrong on the C5 thing, however I still hold my case. I don't know what you and Jean Leoup consider to be significantly bigger.
42 Ienjoyplanes2 : im not too familiar with the whole 747-700/A-380 thing but personnaly I'd be scared to fly on such a big aircraft and i dont think itll develop. its c
43 Post contains images Reggaebird : Dearest Boeing 747-400, It amazes me that you are able to come up with such ridiculous logic to justify your arguments. I will have to remember that t
44 Boeing747-400 : Regardless of which plane uses what euipment at XXX airport, you are still wrong. An aircraft has to be a lot bigger than another aircraft to be signi
45 Post contains images Reggaebird : Miu pachore Boeing 747-400, Oel chiem jalaen spas doi gratsap doi emtoret! Alai voereis A380 spasnut viuteno climerot fos FASEILVINOU peited spas 747-
46 Post contains images Boeing747-400 : Could you please translate that? Or are you too afraid of my response?
47 Post contains images United Airline : I agree. Translate that if you are a man!
48 Boeing747-400 : What language is it in? French it looks like, but the translator makes no sense.
49 Post contains images AerLingus : Ich habe einen Zweifel, daß Fluglinien ein NLA anders als das A380 kaufen. in irgendeiner Situation: Wir müssen die Tatsachen konfrontieren: Niemand
50 The Coachman : I've been looking over the stats for wingspan, height etc. The thing that got me was that the A380's wingspan is LONGER than the fuselage. In the jet
51 Post contains images Boeing747-400 : I read Aerlingus because I know what language that is, and I can translate it. What is Reggaiebird's post in?
52 Post contains images AerLingus : Esperanto???????
53 Joni : Voi hyvänen aika teidän lapsukaisten kanssa. Boeing lopetti 747X ja 747X Stretch ohjelmansa jonkun aikaa sitten eikä uusia NLA projekteja ole silt
54 Reggaebird : Joni, Thanks for providing some logical counterpoint. Your item about load per wheel is well taken but the overall surface load will require some airp
55 Boeing747-400 : Reggaebird, When you say an airplane is significantly larger than the other, you mean it is a lot bigger. Now, the An-225 is an example for a plane si
56 Post contains images Reggaebird : Miu DUINCEN pachore Boeing 747-400, Naom veistai oliges voereis A380 ite 744 noveneit uveiten "Superjumbo" irde "Jumbo"? Leisea A380 puntie fos FASEIL
57 Reggaebird : Hi Everyone, One thing that was not mentioned in this thread is that Boeing inherited the "MD-12" when it merged with McDonnell Douglas. My understand
58 United Airline : The NLA is the B 747-700. And I guess the MD 12 is the BWB. Regards.
59 Post contains images Boeing747-400 : The MD-12 was an extended MD-11 that would match the new 747s and the A380. Is was designed just before Boeing bought MD. Reggaebird, I'm still wonder
60 Post contains images United Airline : Yeah! Say it in English if you are a man! Oh sorry about the confusion. The MD 12 is indeed a stretched MD 11. And it was inherited by Boeing. That is
61 Reggaebird : Hello again, The MD-12 was NOT a stretched MD-11 nor was it the blended wing-body aircraft. It was a four-engined double decker that looks very simil
62 Post contains images United Airline : Oh I see. Thanks for the info!
63 Dasheighty : It seem at least to me that boeing is going to eventually shift everything to thier 777 I see mor and more airlines leaning towards that and the A340
64 Reggaebird : Dasheighty, Regarding the issues that you raised....Boeing is banking on those very thoughts. They've said all along that the market for such aircraf
65 Boeing747-400 : I said it wrong, what I was talking about was the MD-XX, which was a stretched MD-11 to fight the 777 and A340 sales, but it was cancelled after Boein
66 Post contains images Reggaebird : Boeing747-400, Don't worry, I wasn't confused.
67 Post contains images United Airline : I was a bit confused though.
68 Post contains images Reggaebird : Surprise, surprise!!!
69 Boeing747-400 : I never said you were confused Reggaiebird, I meant I'm sorry for mis-typing the other post about the MD-12, the confusion about the discussion. No ne
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