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US-UA Apply For Temp. Reallocation Of Brazil Freq.  
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

United Air Lines, Inc. and US Airways, Inc.

OST-2010- Temporary US-Brazil Frequency Allocation
OST-2009-0003 - US Airways - Exemption Amendment - US-Brazil

July 15, 2010

Joint Application for Temporary US-Brazil Frequency Reallocation and Amendment of an Exemption

By this application, the Joint Applicants request the Department to temporarily reallocate seven frequencies held by United to US Airways to pennit US Airways to offer daily nonstop Charlotte-Sao Paulo service. US Airways also applies to amend its U.S.-Brazil exemption previously issued in Order 2009-4-6 by naming Sao Paulo (GRU) as an additional Brazilian cotenninal point. US Airways will provide daily nonstop service between Charlotte and Sao Paulo with B-767 aircraft having a seating capacity of 204 passengers in two classes. US Airways is prepared to commence service as soon as possible after all necessary government approvals have been obtained.

Source: http://www.airlineinfo.com/

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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9945 times:

I knew something was coming out today. I was already disappointed I was wrong.
Well, that will take care of United's dormant frequencies, but that also means that a possible plan of applying for additional frequencies fell through. Or would the DOT allow UA to warehouse frequencies like that?
At least, if approved, that keeps United from losing the frequencies altogether. I'm sure that those frequencies are being kept to fund future EWR-GIG service by the merged United.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9905 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Thread starter):
By this application, the Joint Applicants request the Department to temporarily reallocate seven frequencies held by United to US Airways to pennit US Airways to offer daily nonstop Charlotte-Sao Paulo service. US Airways also applies to amend its U.S.-Brazil exemption previously issued in Order 2009-4-6 by naming Sao Paulo (GRU) as an additional Brazilian cotenninal point. US Airways will provide daily nonstop service between Charlotte and Sao Paulo with B-767 aircraft having a seating capacity of 204 passengers in two classes. US Airways is prepared to commence service as soon as possible after all necessary government approvals have been obtained.

This shows what can happen when two airlines work together, its amazing.

Kudos to US and UA!



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9896 times:

Also, the proposal is for US to start CLT-GRU on January 11th, 2011, the day after the end of IAD-GIG seasonal service.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 3):
Also, the proposal is for US to start CLT-GRU on January 11th, 2011, the day after the end of IAD-GIG seasonal service.

Where do you get this? And I assume US will keep CLT-GIG?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24311 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9873 times:

The reallocation subject to DOT approval is basically a slot lease between United and US Airways for a 4 year-period between January 11, 2011 through end of lATA winter 2014-15 traffic season.


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9852 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
Where do you get this? And I assume US will keep CLT-GIG?

It's on http://www.airlineinfo.com/ . Yes, CLT-GIG will be kept.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9831 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):
t's on http://www.airlineinfo.com/ . Yes, CLT-GIG will be kept.

Thanks.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
US Airways for a 4 year-period between January 11, 2011 through end of lATA winter 2014-15 traffic season.

And I assume by then US will find its own way into GIG.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

Interesting - good for US. Now they'll finally get into GRU. And obviously UA - even if they can't actually talk to CO about it yet - is anticipating having access to GIG from the U.S. via CO's current flights, and doesn't feel it needs a nonstop from IAD. Smart on both their parts.

[Edited 2010-07-15 18:13:00]

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9801 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
And I assume by then US will find its own way into GIG.

You mean GRU.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9730 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
And obviously UA - even if they can't actually talk to CO about it yet - is anticipating having access to GIG from the U.S. via CO's current flights, and doesn't feel it needs a nonstop from IAD. Smart on both their parts.

I don't think that's it. I think US was prepared to have the frequencies stripped from United had they not agreed to the temporary reallocation. Moreover, the Brazilian ANAC has already mentioned a possible new amendment to the US-Brazil bilateral agreement.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9575 times:

Nevermind, I just read the Docket file

[Edited 2010-07-15 19:28:52]

User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9493 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
Moreover, the Brazilian ANAC has already mentioned a possible new amendment to the US-Brazil bilateral agreement.

Yes, the idea that at some point Brazil frequencies will become extremely sought after (or valuable...) because there won't be enough of them is just bunk. As long as TAM or any other Brazilian airline continues to do well in the US market, ANAC will continue to allow more frequencies. I heard that from somebody inside ANAC.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
And I assume US will keep CLT-GIG?

Looking at the DoT's latest numbers, US did not do very well with CLT-GIG over January 2010.

Now, could DL object to this transaction and request the frequencies to do DTW-GRU?

[Edited 2010-07-15 19:25:32]

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 12):
Now, could DL object to this transaction and request the frequencies to do DTW-GRU?

I don't think DL would be able to make a strong case though. US currently does not offer service to GRU. As stated above, US could've told UA that it would request to have those frequencies stripped since they were not using them. But who knows, AA and DL could try to put up an opposing argument.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9406 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 12):
Now, could DL object to this transaction and request the frequencies to do DTW-GRU?

Yes, DL should be able to do this.

Furthermore, I don't think this service will co-exist with GIG for long absent US being able to move CLT-GIG fares up to a reasonable level by the time GRU starts rolling.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9388 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 12):
Looking at the DoT's latest numbers, US did not do very well with CLT-GIG over January 2010.

It was their second month of operation, actually not even second full month.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 12):
Now, could DL object to this transaction and request the frequencies to do DTW-GRU?

They could try, but the probability of them being successful is very low. UA just needs to retreat and continue service. If the frequencies ever get stripped from United, US Airways has a bigger chance of getting them awarded, because they would be newcomers in the USA-GRU market.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9326 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 12):
Now, could DL object to this transaction and request the frequencies to do DTW-GRU?

I would think that they would be able to do so.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 13):
I don't think DL would be able to make a strong case though.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
They could try, but the probability of them being successful is very low.

I'm not so sure about that. DL can argue that their DTW-GRU service will offer more consumer benefits than CLT-GRU since it will offer the only other US-Brazil flight from the Midwest, while the Southeast already has plenty of service to Brazil. Given that US wants to take frequencies currently used to operate US-GIG service in order to offer US-GRU service, I don't think that either DL or AA will just sit on the sidelines.



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9303 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
It was their second month of operation, actually not even second full month.

Yes, but that was January.

Any airline flying any route US to Rio/SP should be able to at least fill up the aircraft. US did not do that, and the it seems they were discounting heavily.

Right now, mid-July, some flights for January 2011 are already booked full in coach.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9304 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
And I assume by then US will find its own way into GIG.

You mean GRU.

Yeah, sorry.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 12):
Looking at the DoT's latest numbers, US did not do very well with CLT-GIG over January 2010.

The flight has been getting better. Does ok on the weekends.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9290 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 16):
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 13):
I don't think DL would be able to make a strong case though.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
They could try, but the probability of them being successful is very low.

I'm not so sure about that. DL can argue that their DTW-GRU service will offer more consumer benefits than CLT-GRU since it will offer the only other US-Brazil flight from the Midwest, while the Southeast already has plenty of service to Brazil. Given that US wants to take frequencies currently used to operate US-GIG service in order to offer US-GRU service, I don't think that either DL or AA will just sit on the sidelines.

New entrant carrier wins above virtually any argument. Witness Hawaiian at HND and US Airways at PEK.

An exception was US Airways' failed CLT-BOG bid, but in the same proceedings, two new entrants - NK and B6 - were awarded slots.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9277 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 16):
DL can argue that their DTW-GRU service will offer more consumer benefits than CLT-GRU since it will offer the only other US-Brazil flight from the Midwest, while the Southeast already has plenty of service to Brazil. Given that US wants to take frequencies currently used to operate US-GIG service in order to offer US-GRU service, I don't think that either DL or AA will just sit on the sidelines.

I was thinking more on the lines of objecting to the transaction itself, but they could argue that UA shouldn't be able to choose to which carrier reallocate the frequencies. I don't know the precedent in these cases.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9267 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 20):
UA shouldn't be able to choose to which carrier reallocate the frequencies. I don't know the precedent in these cases.

True. I mean it was pretty much a given that UA would choose US over AA or DL.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9253 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
New entrant carrier wins above virtually any argument. Witness Hawaiian at HND and US Airways at PEK.

Yes, true.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 20):
I was thinking more on the lines of objecting to the transaction itself, but they could argue that UA shouldn't be able to choose to which carrier reallocate the frequencies. I don't know the precedent in these cases.

Yeah, I wouln't doubt that DL (and likley AA) will file objections.



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User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 20):
I was thinking more on the lines of objecting to the transaction itself, but they could argue that UA shouldn't be able to choose to which carrier reallocate the frequencies. I don't know the precedent in these cases

I would be willing to bet that both AA and DL will argue this. If anything they both have an argument for filing to have the frequencies stripped from United altogether now and having the DOT reallocate them.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 22):
Yeah, I wouln't doubt that DL (and likley AA) will file objections.

I don't know that it's worth it for AA. They don't need the frequencies, and to me it seems like that is getting awfully close to disagreeing for the sake of being disagreeable.



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25 C010T3 : Yes, but US was very (I mean very) late setting up in Brazil.
26 commavia : I'm not so sure - this doesn't seem like "disagreeing for the sake of being disagreeable" to me, but rather a fairly reasonable argument. Not knowing
27 C010T3 : Well, if it comes to that, there's is still CO that can try the last save.
28 Cubsrule : Maybe JFK-anything besides GRU/GIG. ORD/DFW-GIG on AA might also be stronger. But if AA or DL wanted either of those things, they'd have asked last r
29 MAH4546 : As in giving it to the airline that has the least threatening use for the slots, yes. If you are implying because they are buddy-buddy, no, that's no
30 LipeGIG : Thanks for sharing and it seems that US will finally get it. I rather say that they are protecting themselves and their valuable slots. Just confirm
31 FutureUScapt : This will be interesting to see. I have long argued, not that CLT-GIG would be a smash hit, but that it stood a chance to work. Clearly, it has not l
32 MAH4546 : Though it is interesting to note that the DL-US GRU swap application did state that US Airways intended to continue serving both, but it didn't say i
33 LipeGIG : That's a possibility Mark, but i doubt they will just leave GIG.
34 MAH4546 : The way the route is currently performing, I doubt US Airways will be staying. I say US Airways gives it one more winter season, tries to run it alon
35 smoot4208 : Would it be feasible to operate CLT-GIG non-stop 3 x weekly and 4 x weekly tag from GRU? I personally think that unless its MIA or NYC, a tag to GIG w
36 LipeGIG : All other airlines offer non-stop service to GIG, so the only way to US is to fly non-stop and if they have the chance to fly to both GIG and GRU, i
37 MSYPI7185 : I believe US can do just fine on both routes. I believe one reason that US and UA are working together is also the fact that they are both *A partners
38 hiflyer : Well...appears the merger gods have decided that this frequency does not fit into their immediate plans for the new United...and giving it to a *tar p
39 MAH4546 : The airlines are not working together at all. They do not have antitrust to Brazil and it is against their own interests to divert traffic to each ot
40 hardiwv : US showed the worst performance among all airlines flying US-Brazil together with JL. Even KE showed stronger LF flying daylight and 3 weekly in 3-cl
41 Post contains images USAirALB : Bingo. Yeah, but there are places that don't have nonstop service to JFK nor MIA. At ALB, you can only fly DL to JFK.
42 MAH4546 : Except that highly seasonal use of the frequencies can result in reallocation to another carrier. Granted, such reallocation will be entirely depende
43 USAirALB : Its an example. And about ATL, your kinda wrong. FFs at ALB hate DL. They took away our successful mainline to DTW and replaced it with half the capa
44 USAirALB : Why does DOT allow UA to do it then? If UA can provide seasonal service to GIG, US can too.
45 MAH4546 : ATL offers one-stop connections between GIG and about 100% of the U.S.-GIG market. I was not referring to what people like to fly on - the fact is th
46 USAirALB : I know. I'm just saying, many people in the ALB area will not fly DL, and ALB has a large Dividend Miles base. For the passengers that do fly ALB-XXX
47 MSYPI7185 : But being a *A carrier UA can book travel on a US flight to Brazil even though they do not have ATI. It happens all the time TATL and Pacific ops. Is
48 FutureUScapt : Well according to a US publication, they intend to maintain nonstop CLT-GIG service in addition to the CLT-GRU flight; I guess we'll see if this ends
49 MAH4546 : No, nothing is different. US* and UA* do codeshare internationally. It does happen, but codesharing is a very delicate tit-for-tat situation. There i
50 incitatus : US and all of us are taking for granted that ANAC will give them reasonable access to GRU. They could end being offered something less than ideal, li
51 LipeGIG : That's not a good comparison, Mark. Osaka is not among the largest 5 cities in Asia, Osaka is not an oil destination, Osaka is not a top leisure dest
52 MAH4546 : Absolutely perfect comparison, because Osaka is second fiddle in Asia's most important market from the U.S.; and Rio de Janeiro is second fiddle in S
53 LipeGIG : On this i agree and US would be the big winner as they use the planes with less business configuration (24/176) against JJ (30/175 or 40/220) AA (30/
54 C010T3 : Yes, biometric passports will start being issued this December.
55 incitatus : But the visa requirement is in effect because a large number of Brazilians would like to try the life in the US without getting proper permission. Th
56 LipeGIG : Use to be a big problem but now it seems more on what the US says it's their focus: It's around 5% right now while the US looks to nations with less
57 usflyer msp : I agree as well. BTW, US 762's are 18J/186Y which works out even better for tourism heavy markets.
58 hardiwv : I agree with Lipe, the focus has changed, it was time, because this has not been an issue with Europe since 2001 when Europe lifted visa for Brazilia
59 LipeGIG : They always use the B762 to GIG. US do not have 763. And that's the plane they will use to Sao Paulo also. Thanks for the correction. And it seems th
60 C010T3 : I'm sorry, but what specific country are you talking about? France was one of the last Western European countries that demanded visa from Brazilians
61 LipeGIG : Interesting as in 12 years we saw the market Brazil-France increase from 2 daily flights to 7 daily flights. I don't expect Brazil-US to grow so much
62 AAEXP : Well, I guess it goes both ways my friend.........
63 C010T3 : Well, except for the fact that Brazilians don't mind applying for visas like Americans.
64 AAEXP : It´s not that they don´t mind, because, trust me they do; I think they have just resigned to status quo as they do in so many other cases. Now, I g
65 MAH4546 : I think its just as ludicrous that America asks Brazilians for visas, but it does not go both ways. Brazil loses in tourism revenue, America doesn't.
66 steex : I'm certainly not as familiar with the nuances of the USA-Brazil market as you or many others here, but I wonder if AA/DL might find it worthwhile si
67 C010T3 : No, Brazilians don't mind as long as the conditions for the application, its process, its cost, its duration are reasonable, not to mention the accep
68 MAH4546 : Because that's the American mentality, sadly - places and countries are generic. Just think of how many Americans consider "Europe" or "Africa" to be
69 C010T3 : I don't know why you're bringing up corruption. It's a question of ego and vanity among our diplomats and congressmen.
70 AAEXP : Not correct, the US actually looses tourism revenue due to its visa restrictions. You know that, I know that. I relative terms, Brazil may lose more,
71 C010T3 : It's pure vanity when it's known that the country would profit economically from the withdrawal of visa restrictions.
72 MAH4546 : I don't agree at all. A Brazilian who is intent on visiting the U.S. will visit the U.S. They don't substitute Nice for Miami, London for New York or
73 FutureUScapt : Agreed; anecdotally I've talked I've talked to three individuals in the last two weeks who have been turned away from Brazil because of the visa rest
74 Post contains links LipeGIG : The link below shows that some US organizations wants also Brazil on visa waiver because they imagine their results. But that's my question: with not
75 LAXintl : Today the carriers filed polling results with the DOT affirming no objections to the transaction from fellow carriers. 'We have also polled all other
76 Post contains links C010T3 : The temporary reallocation has been approved today: http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...#documentDetail?R=0900006480b26e5f
77 EricR : There is nothing wrong with low yielding traffic as long as your cost structure is low enough to offset the lower yielding traffic. The most successf
78 hardiwv : Great news for GIG, GRU and BSB all with get boosted international networks. I have no doubt all flights will perform great: GIG-DFW 3 x w; GRU-DTW 5
79 incitatus : Please realize I said nothing about visa rejection rates. I said many Brazilian would like to try the life in the US. Most of them don't even try to
80 hardiwv : You assumptions are based on past data and disregard the fast pace the Brazilian economy develops and the deep improvements in the social fabric of t
81 Dellatorre : I personally don't think the abolishment of visa restrictions between US and Brazil is going to influence much the travel decisions of americans towar
82 hardiwv : Just look at the amount of charter flights Europe-North East Brazil and you will see the huge importance of visa free travel. many travel last minute
83 Dellatorre : Sorry but you are being too optimistic here. Europeans have always traveled much more to Brazil than felow Americans, even when visa restrictions sti
84 Cubsrule : If it's not too hard to get a visa, I don't know that has to be true. A traveler who really wants to go to Brasil (or China or Russia or anywhere els
85 incitatus : Why aren't you specific? Describe exactly what type of "European parties/segments" you are reminded of. Remember, I did not write anything anti-immig
86 Cubsrule : On the Brazilian side, it seems like going to a reciprocity fee (a la Chile and Argentina) makes the most sense.
87 incitatus : That would be another way to deal with the issue, but it creates different rules for Brazilians to the US and Americans to Brazil, which is seen by m
88 Post contains links hardiwv : You are saying it, not me. Such ideas are common among a small circle of European conservate parties, and normally grows when recessions or economic
89 incitatus : The latest industrial production data released in the last couple of days ago points to slowdown from Q1 2010. Assuming recent peak growth rates are
90 hardiwv : The slowdown is necessary to increase total factor productivity. Better to have problems coping with excessive growth rather than trying to ignite an
91 hardiwv : Got so involved in other discussions that I did not read your post! This means US will be able to start CLT-GRU daily until Winter 2014/2015. Rgs,
92 SurfandSnow : By that time, US should be able to get a permanent route authority without a problem.
93 hardiwv : Any indication of schedule? Would US be able to sustain GIG now that it plans to star CLT-GRU? Rgs,
94 Post contains links USAirALB : According to this article, they will still fly both routes. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...s-approve-us-air-service-from.html
95 LipeGIG : It all depends on how Brazilian airlines approach ANAC and the government it self. So far, there's no indication of a new bilateral round for 2011 an
96 Cubsrule : What's different poltically in Brasil versus Chile or Argentina?
97 incitatus : Only a handful of countries were considered by the UK to require visas. Brazil was one of them. No, it is not "wonderful" to be in this short list. O
98 hardiwv : Great news if US decides to keep both CLT-GIG and CLT-GRU. Certainly CLT is much better connecting hub than ORD/IAD for Brazil-US flights because of
99 Cubsrule : CLT's advantage of IAD isn't so much the location (they are virtually indistinguishable) as the much better passenger experience.
100 Post contains images USAirALB : CLT is much more open, and airy, and has more windows than IAD. Plus, no trains/mobile lounges are needed at CLT!
101 smoot4208 : CLT has more feed than IAD does as well. Also distance wise it is nearly the same. But geographically speaking, CLT/ATL is much better to South Ameri
102 Cubsrule : Better? Yes. Much better? I don't know that 100 or 200 miles more matters much when you are spending 16 hours getting to your destination.
103 LipeGIG : Specially that US fous on MIA, MCO and LGA a lot. Of course, as i keep saying competition is stronger at Sao Paulo as they count even with a daily fl
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