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United At IAD, Private Terminal  
User currently offlineshieldm1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 24 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

I've heard rumors about a PRIVATE United terminal at IAD, completely separated from the main gates/terminal. It would open on what is known as Old Ox Rd. Probably not a great idea since they operate out of an extremely inexpensive building now, although it is very narrow and not too keen on the eye. Anyone heard anything about new gates for United here like this?

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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

I never heard anything about this but I will agree with your their mailine terminal is just terrible. It would make some sense if they wanted a new terminal which I would say for a hub like IAD would make sense. Probably depends on what type of funding they will have to put in and how much the DC metro Airport Authority and other Government Agencies put in.


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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8672 times:

IAD is probably one of the biggest craphole airports in the US. The outside of it literally looks like a tin roofed barn with all the sheet metal. The walkways between the gates are so narrow and the gate areas are so small that when you have several international flights leaving at the same time across the hallways, the departure lounges literally mix together across the hall. It also makes getting from one gate to another very difficult because of how narrow the terminal is. The original building is beautiful, but United's terminal(s) are just horrible as they stand.

UAL


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8640 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
IAD is probably one of the biggest craphole airports in the US. The outside of it literally looks like a tin roofed barn with all the sheet metal. The walkways between the gates are so narrow and the gate areas are so small that when you have several international flights leaving at the same time across the hallways, the departure lounges literally mix together across the hall. It also makes getting from one gate to another very difficult because of how narrow the terminal is. The original building is beautiful, but United's terminal(s) are just horrible as they stand.

I dont use IAD often however I flew out of IAD last october IAD-LAX and I found terminal B to be nice besides for the UA Express area. Plenty of room, nice airy feeling. But as I said UA terminal is horrible and much too small for 777s and 747 going to Asia.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9637 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8610 times:

What IAD needs is a hangar. Maintenance can almost be impossible in the winter there. You can't do boroscopes and lubing below freezing and it is a nightmare to do things like that outside. I think a hangar to support their operation is next on the list for IAD.


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8585 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
What IAD needs is a hangar. Maintenance can almost be impossible in the winter there. You can't do boroscopes and lubing below freezing and it is a nightmare to do things like that outside. I think a hangar to support their operation is next on the list for IAD.

That seems crazy, that a hub as large as IAD does not have a hangar. Seems like a pretty simple and cheap structure to build also.



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User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8463 times:

Ok...lets get technical..grin.

The Terminal That is where the counters and baggage claim are. Opened in 1962 and a historic landmark. Worth a visit just for the architecture.

The Concourses...A+B run from UAX at one end to DL at the other with most carriers at IAD inbetween except USAir, UA, AC...only couple years old and wide open, spacious, well thought out except for the temp UAX end of A. C+D where UA sits...originally a low one level maintenance ops functional area only...temporary second story added with jetways in the 80's and as typical in DC...still there. Cramped..congested... And do not leave out Z for USAir and Sun Country squat...another temp facility.

Originally opened and operated solely by the FAA the feds got out of the business and turned it and DCA over to the MWAA years back. A new C+D has been on the drawing boards for years...the new train stops where C will be in the future if money every get's turned loose to start it up. Right now it seems the airport folks are concentrating more on expanding the current customs in the terminal and getting the Metro to the airport than improving the facilities for the largest tenant.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8429 times:
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Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
The original building is beautiful, but United's terminal(s) are just horrible as they stand.

You mean the main terminal building is beautiful?
Yes, it should be -- given it's an architectural landmark.



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And every couple of months, a study is done on how **C-D** could be updated. And the studies always go on hold and are never executed. So the "70's Show" paint scheme and the bad Las Vegas lounge carpeting will probably be there another ten years.

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User currently offlinemy1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

This has been in the mix for years. When the plans were drawn for the new runway the rumors started. One rumor that I found interesting was the removal of the current Landmark building, extending the cargo block and building a PRIVATE Customs terminal and then making a new FBO of of the new runway.

One thing you will learn from DC Airports... stories change so many times in a week! Just wait for building and then you know.

My1le


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7009 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
You mean the main terminal building is beautiful?
Yes, it should be -- given it's an architectural landmark.

Thanks, Kgai, for gathering these lovely shots of IAD. Wasn't it designed by the same guy that did the St. Louis Arch?

Quoting shieldm1 (Thread starter):
...a PRIVATE United terminal...

Do you mean a place for 757s? Or more? Airstairs on the tarmac? Like a real DC PS service for dignitaries?

Heck, UA/CO should just make the old main terminal their private one (just dreaming).


User currently offlineshieldm1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 9):
Do you mean a place for 757s? Or more? Airstairs on the tarmac? Like a real DC PS service for dignitaries?

The way UA is situated now, mainly in the C and D gates, would move to this new terminal/gates. It's only a rumor, and they did in fact open other gates even further out where they are currently planning on building and where the trains run to but these closed down pretty quickly. I mean quickly by I never even knew they existed until my buddy told me he took a flight out of them once, ha.


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6843 times:

Quoting shieldm1 (Reply 10):
...they are currently planning on building and where the trains run to...

The best thing for UA would be if their terminal were very near to a train station--better even if one were inside it. Isn't IAD supposed to get a Metro stop soon or something? I know personally that DCA's convenience went way up when they got a Metro stop.


User currently offlineshieldm1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 11):
Isn't IAD supposed to get a Metro stop soon or something?

Yes, and sadly no. MWAA wants a metro stop, and the funds have been allocated as far as I know, but Metro is building a purple line north of the district first, then focusing on Dulles/Loudoun County. We will see this change within ten years I HOPE!


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6765 times:

When that happens, IAD will be a true world airport.

User currently offlinemy1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

My guess is that:

1) Landmark will move locations - Customs will design a new terminal for the overseas flights. IAD is gaining a new carrier it seems every couple months. With Turkish Airlines starting in November there is simply not enough gates for these flights. Qatar is regularly parked on the remote gates awaiting a gate or people movers.
2) Cago 6 will be extended - More and more cargo companies are showing up. Arrow (No longer flying) FedEx (keeps increasing flights and a/c), UPS, Kallita Air, and several others.
3) They still have plans to build a new terminal right between the new tower or R Gates and the UA Express flight gates. It is weird... I use to get on planes there and now the gates are go, to then be built again.
4) Something is going to be built over near the new runways.... that is to much land and nothing going on there.

My1LE
ERAU - 2013


User currently offlineMSJYOP28Apilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6626 times:

Quoting shieldm1 (Reply 12):
Yes, and sadly no. MWAA wants a metro stop, and the funds have been allocated as far as I know, but Metro is building a purple line north of the district first, then focusing on Dulles/Loudoun County. We will see this change within ten years I HOPE!

Have you been on the toll road lately? or to Tysons Corner? They are both torn up right now with construction from the Silver Line. Dulles will have a metro stop by 2016, so 6 years. The Tysons portion will be finished in 3 years.


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6496 times:

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 15):
Dulles will have a metro stop by 2016, so 6 years.

I hope it is conveniently located. This still doesn't solve the mystery of the private terminal from the OP.


User currently offlineMSJYOP28Apilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

The one thing I am curious about is what happens to the Continental gates when the merger goes through. Will UA keep the ExpressJet and Commutair ops where they are now or consolidate them with other express ops? This would open up a few gates on the B concourse for new flights.

Wouldnt a new international or United concourse by Landmark ruin the benefits and purpose of the new underground people mover? Dulles spent a lot of money building the train system. Surely, many of the international airlines would want to use a new international concourse since it makes it easier for customs. However, for connections it would be a hassle because the new international concourse would have no people mover station for people connection to and from other terminals. If they do build a new international concourse, I would rather them build a nice one instead of a temporary facility. I think a better solution would be to work to make the new United concourse so that it can fit all of UA and UAX ops along with their Star Alliance partners at IAD. Put a customs facility in there so that connections are easier. When the new UA/Star concourse is built, tear down UAX A concourse and expand the B concourse. A small international concourse by Landmark would be a waste of money since it could only serve a small amount of the new airlines. If you build it too big, you have a large B concourse with a lot of empty space after spending millions to expand it and put a people mover through it.

The current C/D concourse people mover stop was built a few hundred yards away from the concourse since this is where the proposed new United terminal will be. There are also future plans for a 5th runway 12R/30L and a south main terminal closer to route 50.

Metro will be at Dulles within 6 years. The trip to DC will be around 45 minutes to an hour depending on where you are going in the city. Fares will likely be on the high side to help pay for the costs of bringing metro out to Dulles. They are already creating special tax districts in Herndon/Reston to raise taxes in those areas for the Silver Line.


User currently offlineMSJYOP28Apilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6458 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 16):
I hope it is conveniently located.
http://www.dullesmetro.com/stations/dulles.cfm


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

MSJYOP28Apilot:

"If they do build a new international concourse, I would rather them build a nice one instead of a temporary facility."

Just thinking--the new UA/CO will already have flagship hubs at SFO, DEN, IAH, ORD, and EWR--the dowdy operations at IAD could be the first to see the new branding or world-hub idea.

[Edited 2010-07-16 23:21:24]

User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 18):
Quoting Schweigend (Reply 16):
I hope it is conveniently located.
http://www.dullesmetro.com/stations/...s.cfm

Thanks, I guess it will be. From the above-quoted dullesmetro site:


Location: Below ground in front of the passenger terminal

Type of Station: Underground

Station Facilities:

* 1 station entrance in tunnel in front of main terminal connecting to baggage claim level

Scheduled to open: Phase 2 completion date is 2016

Fares: Will be set when the station opens, and will be similar to other Metrorail lines. For more information, visit the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority site at www.wmata.com.

Schedule: Trains are anticipated to run every seven minutes in the peak period (rush hours) and less frequently in the off peak.



So it will be right next to baggage claim.


User currently offlineMSJYOP28Apilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

The Landmark building is on the north side of the airport by the threshold for 19C. A long way away from the new customs building they are now building in the main terminal. Old Ox Road is north of the airport. This would not be a place for a new terminal since it is right over the glidepath to 19C/19R and a long way from all the other terminals. Just look at it on the map! There is simply not a lot of space on that side of the airport when they have a lot of space to build around the new Tower.

Dulles is relatively open about what they are doing. http://mwaa.com/dulles/749.htm All the projects future and recently completed are listed here. There is no mention of any new concourse by Landmark or Old Ox Road. Neither of which are convenient due to their locations.

http://mwaa.com/file/airporttrainsystem.pdf Page 1 of the PDF shows plans for 3 more concourses and a new terminal south of the current concourse B. I would imagine that this is what Dulles would do before anything else since it is logical given the people mover system and current layout.

[Edited 2010-07-16 23:21:20]

[Edited 2010-07-16 23:22:10]

[Edited 2010-07-16 23:24:24]

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Heres what MWAA and UA planned at one point to do with C/D...I'm not sure if this is still going to be plan going forward when they do decided to replace the concourses.

http://www.kpf.com/project.asp?R=1&ID=60



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User currently offlineshieldm1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6077 times:

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 15):
Dulles will have a metro stop by 2016, so 6 years.



I couldn't trust a contractor though with any timeline. Although this is a major project, the purple line will still be finished first. I can't wait to see Metro at IAD! This will mean I won't have to drive all the way to Vienna anymore to jump on..


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

After the merger I wonder if refurbishment/contruction of a metro line would excellerated if UA threatened to scale down IAD or even de hub it?

25 kgaiflyer : The Purple Line is **light rail** that cuts through 'old money' neighborhoods in Maryland -- taking tennis courts, recreation lands, and clipping fro
26 Post contains images kgaiflyer : The Dulles Access Road medial barrier is already dug up and track is being laid. Now, all they now have to do is connect it to something.
27 STT757 : DL doesn't have a maintenance facility at JFK.
28 tharanga : I'd dismiss it as a rumor that got twisted along the way somewhere. The master plan has always been for a nice new C/D concourse to be built beyond t
29 flylku : You are being too kind, but that only applies to the C and D gate midfield. Agreed. This midfield is as pleasant as any I've pass through anywhere. I
30 FlyPNS1 : The purple line has no funding and until it gets money it is going nowhere. Given the fiscal mess of both state and federal budgets, it's unclear whe
31 KLM777300ER : I am obviously biased since I'm a DC area born and raised guy, but in my opinion, Dulles is really not that bad at all. C/D obviously is a craphole, b
32 flymia : I agree. I fly almost all my flights out of DCA since it is a short metro ride away but I do enjoy flying out of IAD also. Its a decent airprot and I
33 tharanga : That's the key. The only bad part is their "temporary" concourse. Everything else about the IAD experience is great, I think, aside from getting ther
34 shieldm1 : I suppose I got the wrong information, but yes I've seen the story on the news and I think it's ridiculous that they even plan to build this line. Th
35 MSJYOP28Apilot : If the Silver Line isnt complete by 2016, heads will surely roll since the toll road pricing is going up 25 cents every year to pay for it and a speci
36 kgaiflyer : Actually -- the *exact opposite* seems to be happening to Dulles. Airlines that formerly only flew into NYC now fly to WAS. Examples are AI, EI, NH,
37 atcsundevil : Customs has been done as has the new security checkpoint -- both of which look amazing. The only problem with customs is if you don't have a pen, you
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