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AA Retiring MD80 From JFK  
User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12204 times:

I read an email stating that AA will begin retiring MD80s from JFK on 11/18/10 and will be totally gone by 12/15/10. Flights will be replaced by 757s and 737s. The email listed aircraft changes for the following routes:

JFK-MCO: (2) 737-800s, (2) 757-200s

JFK-DFW: (1) 737-800

JFK-ORD: (1) 757-200

JFK-TPA: (1) 737-800

JFK-FLL: (2) 737-800

JFK-LAS: (1) 737-800

JFK-SEA (1) 737-800

Apparently it looks like JFK-MCO will get 2 more frequencies? Also, the email didn't mention the AUS service. Thoughts?

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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12186 times:

JFK-MCO back to 757s again? AA can't make up there mind on the route that's for sure. I remember flying JFK-MCO with a 757 back in 2003 and from LGA in 2007.


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User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12136 times:

Looks like they're cutting back on transcon capacity by putting the 738 on LAS/SEA. Interesting.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12114 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 1):
JFK-MCO back to 757s again? AA can't make up there mind on the route that's for sure. I remember flying JFK-MCO with a 757 back in 2003 and from LGA in 2007.

Make up its mind about what? Routes change equipment, frequently.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 2):
Looks like they're cutting back on transcon capacity by putting the 738 on LAS/SEA. Interesting.

JFK-LAS is supposed to go 2x daily; though with JFK-MCO showing 4x daily, maybe that is a change.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12054 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Make up its mind about what? Routes change equipment, frequently.

Also the fact that they dropped it and moved it to LGA for several years and then brought it back from JFK in 2008.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11926 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 4):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Make up its mind about what? Routes change equipment, frequently.

Also the fact that they dropped it and moved it to LGA for several years and then brought it back from JFK in 2008.

LGA/JFK-MCO were running concurrently. MCO-JFK came from the TWA merger, was dropped not long thereafter. MCO-JFK started as AA decided to concentrate LaGuardia slots on business routes and MCO is a good feeder for Europe, but MCO-JFK and MCO-LGA were running alongside each other until last April.



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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11907 times:

If I recall correctly there used to be 5 daily NYC-MCO flights operating at one time.

User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11517 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):

JFK-LAS is supposed to go 2x daily; though with JFK-MCO showing 4x daily, maybe that is a change.

Trying checking again tomorrow for sometime in December or beyond.  


User currently offlineAAAL From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11475 times:

This sounds correct and is the reason they haven't loaded the additional frequencies for NOV yet. There finalizing the final crew sequences and should be loaded soon. I think JFK-AUS will probably be a 738 as well. The MD80 struggles on the JFK-AUS route.

User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11264 times:

There are also 12 slots that AA will be getting from B6. Will we be seeing any new cities from JFK?

User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11100 times:

Quoting AAAL (Reply 8):
The MD80 struggles on the JFK-AUS route.

In terms of range or lack of capacity? I thought the M80 had longer legs than that...



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10732 times:

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 9):
There are also 12 slots that AA will be getting from B6. Will we be seeing any new cities from JFK?

This winter, five new routes - Columbus, Fort Lauderdale, Indianapolis, Norfolk, Rio de Janeiro and Tokyo-Haneda.



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User currently offlineNewYorkCityBoi From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

Wow AA269 JFK-SEA is the flight I fly on the most and it's always full, why do they degrade it from 757-200 to 737-800. How less number of seat this is?? Of course AA 738 is nicer but also less First class seats.

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9504 times:

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 12):
Wow AA269 JFK-SEA is the flight I fly on the most and it's always full, why do they degrade it from 757-200 to 737-800. How less number of seat this is?? Of course AA 738 is nicer but also less First class seats.

I'm not an AA guy, but a quick look at SeatGuru will answer your question. The 738s are 16/132 or 16/144 while the 757s are 22/166 or 16/166 (although the latter is an int'l config). Fewer seats, yes, but certainly not a "degrade" unless you're banking on upgrading to the six extra F seats. I'm sure AA has a reason (RASM/price pointing, etc.) although it's too bad they didn't consult with you beforehand!

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9204 times:

So are all of these MD80s just being re-positioned to different routes before their final flight to the desert or are these MD80s getting retired as these routes get swapped to the 738s and 757s? I know AA is going to retire the MD80, but needed the 738 deliveries to do so (IIRC). Thanks in advance for the clarification!

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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8871 times:

Five new JFK flights being added 11/18...

JFK - FLL +2 for 2 daily

JFK - MCO +2 for 4 daily

JFK - LAS +1 for 2 daily

AJMIA



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 2):
Looks like they're cutting back on transcon capacity by putting the 738 on LAS/SEA. Interesting.

One would assume that there is some fall off of demand on JFK-SEA, once the Alaskan cruise ship season has passed. It could be that that in the future, from mid-May to mid-September, AA will run a 757, while the rest of the year, it will be a 738.


User currently offlineAAAL From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7866 times:

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 10):
In terms of range or lack of capacity? I thought the M80 had longer legs than that...

Yep, but the difference is JFK. They basically plan for the slot allocation delays at JFK and forget about any enroute weather. It makes the MD80 weight restricted but it hasn't been that bad lately.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7376 times:
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The MD-80 wasn't seen much at AA in JFK. It used to fly once daily to a few domestic destinations including DFW, MCO, BOS,...not sure if JFK-BOS still sees mainline flights, JFK is more a hub for international and transcon flights. So I'm not surprised JFK stops seeing the MD-80 a lot sooner than LGA does. EWR which sees only 15 AA flights a day, maybe 20 at the most, still sees the S80.
The next major airports that will stop seeing the MD-80 are probably LAX and SFO, I would say one or two years from now. I am sure that LGA, DFW and ORD will continue to see them longer than that, for several years to come.

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 14):
So are all of these MD80s just being re-positioned to different routes before their final flight to the desert or are these MD80s getting retired as these routes get swapped to the 738s and 757s? I know AA is going to retire the MD80, but needed the 738 deliveries to do so (IIRC). Thanks in advance for the clarification!

I think it's a little bit of both. On one hand, they reposition some MD-80's to free up 737's and 757's and on the other hand American continues to take delivery of brand new 737's as they retire their oldest MD-80's. Maybe they do that because there is quite a considerable cargo traffic at JFK, the S80 can't fly long range missions with fully loaded cargo bins, the 757 can. That's probably why the MD-80 was pulled out of the MIA hub a long time ago.

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User currently offlinecaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 6111 times:

But this is the second time they are doing that no? Couple years ago JFK went a good bit of time without MD80 ops. In fact, I can´t even remember reading about the MD80s back in JFK.  So they being taking out, is less of a surprise to me.. D


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User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

What happened to the rumors about a 6th daily flight from JFK to LHR?

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

Quoting captaink (Reply 19):
But this is the second time they are doing that no? Couple years ago JFK went a good bit of time without MD80 ops. In fact, I can´t even remember reading about the MD80s back in JFK. So they being taking out, is less of a surprise to me.. D

It was big news in 2008 when AA started flying the S80 back into JFK. I think it started with JFK-MCO and eventually TPA. Both were moved from LGA during the summer fuel spike crisis. IIRC, JFK went from about 2004-2008 with no S80 service. Even crazier, when was the last time AA flew scheduled 738s into JFK? 2003?



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 15):
Five new JFK flights being added 11/18...

JFK - FLL +2 for 2 daily

JFK - MCO +2 for 4 daily

JFK - LAS +1 for 2 daily

Here's the schedules:

Fort Lauderdale
AA633 JFK 0735 FLL 1050 738
AA821 JFK 1535 FLL 1900 738

AA644 FLL 1150 JFK 1440 738
AA824 FLL 2000 JFK 2250 738

Las Vegas
AA257 JFK 1630 LAS 1930 738
AA771 JFK 1925 LAS 2225 757

AA258 LAS 0805 JFK 1605 738
AA786 LAS 1055 JFK 1905 757

Orlando
AA1777 JFK 0759 MCO 1059 757
AA1464 JFK 1200 MCO 1500 738
AA1917 JFK 1535 MCO 1840 757
AA1515 JFK 1930 MCO 2235 738

AA1516 MCO 0825 JFK 1055 738
AA630 MCO 1200 JFK 1430 757
AA1470 MCO 1555 JFK 1535 738
AA1782 MCO 1940 JFK 2215 757

Also, the new daily JFK-GIG flight begins on 18NOV10 too.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Have the schedules for JFK-IND, CVG, and ORF been posted yet?


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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 12):
it's always full

Doesn't mean they are making money on it. Load factor and yields are two different things.


25 LONGisland89 : Not yet, hopefully soon.
26 PRAirbus : GOOD RIDDANCE!!! Send ALL the MD80s to the desert; they're old and boring!!!
27 Bennett123 : You will not say that when it becomes all A and B
28 BOACCunard : Boring? I think the MD-80 has to be one of the least boring airplanes still flying in significant numbers. In the USA we are lucky to have quite a fe
29 United787 : Slightly off topic, but does AA only have one flight per day between these major hubs or was there only one MD-80 flight?
30 deltal1011man : yes but they have 15x DFW-LGA and 17x ORD-LGA
31 United787 : I understand but the flights to LGA are probably all NYC O&D... this explains to me why AA has fallen so far at JFK, how can you have a successfu
32 LONGisland89 : The JFK-ORD and JFK-DFW flights, as well as many others are timed for Int'l connections. Needless to say, I'm sure more frequencies can be supported.
33 Longhornmaniac : That's a little over the top, don't you think? Do you honestly believe that if AA needed more flights into JFK from DFW and ORD, they wouldn't have t
34 qqflyboy : The difference is UA doesn't have the international lift out of DEN that they have out of ORD and IAD, therefore they need to funnel those pax from D
35 qqflyboy : And how is it that AA has fallen so far at JFK? Europe (6 countries, 9 cities): LHR (x5), CDG (x2), MAN*, MAD, BCN, BRU, ZRH, MXP, FCO* South America
36 MAH4546 : I heard six - five in Europe and a sixth in Latin America.
37 Post contains images commavia : If that's to be believed, then I'm hoping for 757s to Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Glasgow/Edinburgh (one or the other) and Stockholm, a 767 to Moscow, and
38 LONGisland89 : Finally AMS!!! I'd also place bets for FRA and GLA.
39 MAH4546 : BOG requires that U.S.-Colombia go Open Skies, which actually has been hinted. Otherwise, though, I'm going to assume Lima. AA has ATI with LAN Peru
40 Post contains images United787 : Maybe a little over the top ...thank you for the explanations! This makes a lot more sense to me. I meant behind DL and B6. I would be curious to see
41 MAH4546 : "Seems" is all relative. On many competing routes, AA constantly out-performs Delta with higher average fares and often similar or higher local marke
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