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AC Already Cutting Back MEM  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

The morning flight on MEM-YYZ went from daily service to X347 two days ago, and will be discontinued altogether on September 4. It's currently scheduled to come back on November 7, but we'll see if that happens. The second flight...4:20pm departure...is still operating daily for the foreseeable future. This was always sort of a head scratcher of a route considering DL flies it twice daily as well, but if they can make it work, good for them.

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User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Could it be that more Americans from southern states want to visit Toronto and use DL to connect through MEM than there are Canadians wanting to visit MEM? That may very well be why DL appears to make their MEM-YYZ service work.

User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

AC has a super hub at YYZ and wants to fight for market share. Having lived for 8 years (from 2001 to 2009) in Toronto and traveled extensively for work, I can tell you that AC has a huge entrenched brand in the business community.

AC recently launched flights to secondary destinations (Portland, Maine, Ontario, CA, etc....) and they will flight tooth and nail for their turf. The Memphis market is probably too tiny for AC and picking a fight with DL is nowhere near fighting WJ on their recently announced MSY service, but AC can make things work though its higher fares and its Toronto based loyal community.


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

There is no advertisment they are here.I would not have know they were here had i not seen it posted on airliners and i travel often. No Television, or Newspaper ads that ive seen. I couldnt tell you what a/c they even fly in here.

Do they just throw planes on routes with no visability in a city



i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1604 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
This was always sort of a head scratcher of a route considering DL flies it twice daily as well, but if they can make it work, good for them.

The addition was made by AC after DL had canceled MEM-YYZ, so there was a period with no service at all on the route. DL only re-added MEM-YYZ with 2x daily CR9's in response to AC's 2x daily CRJ's. That is a decent increase in capacity on the route from DL alone, as going back to NW days, MEM-YYZ was generally 2x daily 50-seaters.

It's also interesting that they went with CR9's on MEM-YYZ considering that, at the time, ATL-YYZ was the only other DL route with first class service to YYZ. Even that was only 1x daily CR9 (mixed in with a bunch of CR7's, which had no FC at the time), while service from MSP, DTW, JFK, and CVG was all 50-seaters. So essentially, there were twice as many FC seats on MEM-YYZ as there were into YYZ from the entire remainder of DL's network.

[Edited 2010-07-18 11:19:33]

User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Who works AC in MEM?


"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 5):
Who works AC in MEM?

United



Our Returning Champion
User currently offlineCMHARJ From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 127 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Who works UA in YYZ?

User currently offlinebriboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Quoting CMHARJ (Reply 7):
Who works UA in YYZ?

Above the wing, United does. Below the wing I think it is United, but don't quote me on that!



next up: YYC, SFO, SYD, AKL, WLG, CMB, BKK, SIN, FRA, VCE, JFK
User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1276 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting CMHARJ (Reply 7):
Who works UA in YYZ?

I know Swissport does UAX below wing, not sure about UA mainline but I believe also Swissport.



You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
User currently offlinetropical77W From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 9):
I know Swissport does UAX below wing, not sure about UA mainline but I believe also Swissport.

True.

US i believe still has their own people atw and btw.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17275 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 4):
DL only re-added MEM-YYZ with 2x daily CR9's in response to AC's 2x daily CRJ's

   That's what you get when you add 4 daily flights on a market size less than 30 PDEW that couldn't even support a single DL flight. Disaster all around.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2144 times:

This reduction or "cutback" on the Memphis route was previously scheduled for the summer and is not new.

User currently offlineCRJ 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Actually, It's expressjet (COEX) that handles AC in MEM not UA.

User currently offlineCRJ 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

I work these flights often, the outbound flt from MEM-YYZ in the morning has pathetic loads.....we've gone to YZ with 1 pax onboard. I've often wondered how they could justify that many flts and even RONs, when BNA only gets 2 turns a day with no RONS. Only a matter of time I think before we see MEM go the same way. To be honest, I'd far rather have an overnight in BNA than MEM.

User currently offlinesirloin From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1565 times:

Perhaps this may warrant its own thread, but I'm curious, what is it with all the regional jets on YYZ flights, even from other major cities? Toronto isn't exactly a small city by any stretch of the imagination, and yet it seems like an overwhelming amount of flights between YYZ and the US are on small aircraft. Is there really not that much of a market?

User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1981 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Quoting sirloin (Reply 15):

It more comes down to frequency. Going to NYC for instance you will see lots of smaller aircraft, however flights leaving frequently... So instead of say 5 321 sized aircraft per day, you can have 10 E175s and cover the day with more flights. It's the same everywhere for some airports having a couple a day in an CRJ is better than having 1 320 etc...



Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2096 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

Quoting sirloin (Reply 15):
Perhaps this may warrant its own thread, but I'm curious, what is it with all the regional jets on YYZ flights, even from other major cities? Toronto isn't exactly a small city by any stretch of the imagination, and yet it seems like an overwhelming amount of flights between YYZ and the US are on small aircraft. Is there really not that much of a market?

YYZ has crazy high landing fees so carriers often use the lightest aircraft possible.


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