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SRQ & Condor To Discuss Possible Service To SRQ  
User currently offlineOceanic From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 134 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

This is an interesting development. SRQ airport officials and Condor Airlines are meeting on Monday 7/19 to discuss plans for a direct route from FRA-SRQ.

http://www.lbknews.com/2010/07/16/lo...oat-key-club-supports-flight-plan/

Looks like the community is trying to get organized as well to help sweeten the deal. What do you think the likelihood of success is if this route ever does get off the ground?


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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

That would be great news. I know SRQ has been working with Condor for years trying to get service started. Sarasota is in a location that both the Brits and Germans enjoy. Most Germans take the direct flights into RSW and the Brits take BA to TPA. If the SRQ flight is coordinated with RSW and Orlando flights and promoted effectively then it should be successful, visit the mouse and the beaches. The Gulf Coast would reap a huge benefit in late summer when Europeans take vacations. A large population of Germans own homes in the area as well.


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User currently offlineOceanic From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

I noticed in an older article I found online that the service is targeted to be twice-weekly.

http://www.yourobserver.com/news/sar...3120105385/New-airline-targets-SRQ

I think that would give it a good chance for success. Should be interesting to see what happens on Monday.


User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

This would be great. But, they would not be able to fly a fully loaded B767-300 out of SRQ. The runway is to short. So would they have this as a -1- stop route?

Chuck


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1547 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 3):
This would be great. But, they would not be able to fly a fully loaded B767-300 out of SRQ. The runway is to short. So would they have this as a -1- stop route?

The runway isn't that short. Its 9500 feet and its nearly at sea level. I'd imagine that they would be ok, as long as they don't schedule a departure late in the afternoon (the heat of the day). Otherwise, I would think it should work out.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineFlyingAlex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 1):
A large population of Germans own homes in the area as well.

Whether they can tap that market is probably one of the biggest factors that will influence the success of the route.

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 3):
This would be great. But, they would not be able to fly a fully loaded B767-300 out of SRQ. The runway is to short. So would they have this as a -1- stop route?

Chuck

I'm not 100% up-to-date on the B767's performance data, but 9500ft/2896m doesn't seem all that short to me. One other thing to keep in mind is that Condor often does not have much cargo on board, so the aircraft wouldn't necessarily be as heavy as you think.



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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

SRQ does not have any equipment to load and unload containers. I also know they expanded the customs facility, which was needed. When I worked there in the late 90's we had 737/320 flights from Canada that would need to clear. So 120-150 pax packed the CBP facility to the gills. Clearance was not user friendly.


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User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Ok. I thought they had a short runway. That is because every time I flew into SRQ, it was on a B757. And when we landed it was like standing on your head to stop that bird. I can see a B767-300 departing their if they do it in the morning and with out alot of cargo. I hope it happens. I have allways use/liked SRQ when my grandparents where alive and
living in the area. I remember what it was like back in the 70's with Eastern Airlines. How times have changed.

Chuck


User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Sorry another question. Does anyone have any old pic of the old airport? If so can you post them so I can take a look
at them. Thanks again


User currently offlinejetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3366 times:
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Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 4):
The runway isn't that short. Its 9500 feet and its nearly at sea level. I'd imagine that they would be ok, as long as they don't schedule a departure late in the afternoon (the heat of the day). Otherwise, I would think it should work out.


I have flown on both TWA from Maui to St. Louis and AA to O’Hare nonstops on B-767-300’s and Maui’s runway is only 7000 feet long, so 9500 feet of runway should be enough even with the farther distance they will be flying.

Flying eastbound they should have the advantage of a tail wind most of the way, which will help shorten the flying time, which means less fuel and a lower take off weight

JetStar


User currently offlineFlyingAlex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 7):
I can see a B767-300 departing their if they do it in the morning and with out alot of cargo.

A morning departure back to Germany would all but kill any chance of the route's commercial success. If departing during daylight hours was an issue (and I'm still not convinced it would be), the sensible course of action would be to plan for a departure after sunset.



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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Quoting FlyingAlex (Reply 10):
A morning departure back to Germany would all but kill any chance of the route's commercial success. If departing during daylight hours was an issue (and I'm still not convinced it would be), the sensible course of action would be to plan for a departure after sunset.

Yup, a 1600L arrival and an 1900L or 2000L departure.



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User currently offlineOceanic From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 7):
Ok. I thought they had a short runway. That is because every time I flew into SRQ, it was on a B757. And when we landed it was like standing on your head to stop that bird. I can see a B767-300 departing their if they do it in the morning and with out alot of cargo. I hope it happens. I have allways use/liked SRQ when my grandparents where alive and
living in the area. I remember what it was like back in the 70's with Eastern Airlines. How times have changed.

Chuck

The runway used to only be 7,000 ft. It was lengthened to its current 9,500 ft several years ago.


User currently offlineOceanic From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Just saw a new article was posted, not sure if this means the meeting went well or not. Interesting none the less.

http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=12841030


User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 3):
This would be great. But, they would not be able to fly a fully loaded B767-300 out of SRQ. The runway is to short. So would they have this as a -1- stop route?

They fly twice weekly to FLL and the runway is 500' shorter than at SRQ!

Quoting FlyingAlex (Reply 10):
A morning departure back to Germany would all but kill any chance of the route's commercial success. If departing during daylight hours was an issue (and I'm still not convinced it would be), the sensible course of action would be to plan for a departure after sunset.

Schedule would be similar to the FLL schedule. Arr at about 7PM and Dep at about 10PM in FLA. This would allow for flights to conect with LH in FRA before dep to FLA. If you check the FLL sched you'll find thats how it works. If DE decides to fly to the Fla Gulf Coast it would be on different days as FLL allowing for use of the same acft as well as creating complimentary service.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6437 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Would making SRQ a tag-end from RSW be feasible?

Hey CMHSRQ, which gate is the actual international gate, is it B8?

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 8):
Does anyone have any old pic of the old airport?

This probably won't work:

http://web.archive.org/web/200512230...minals.topcities.com/sarasota.html

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 7):
I remember what it was like back in the 70's with Eastern Airlines

Don't get me started.... 

and National, don't forget National !



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User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 15):
Would making SRQ a tag-end from RSW be feasible?

About as feasible as Skybus buying Wn next week.



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User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

I did not realize the FLL had a shorter runway. Then again they would explain why I feel like I'm on my head everytime I land in FLL on any size of aircraft. Also, I have heard that the landing/ground fees are very high in SRQ. Is this true?

Chuck

P.S. Thanks again for answering my questions folks.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Coming west from Europe, the flights might use Bangor, ME as a tech-stop...especially if the headwinds are particularly strong.

User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 15):
Hey CMHSRQ, which gate is the actual international gate, is it B8?



Yes, located ground level at B8

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 17):
Also, I have heard that the landing/ground fees are very high in SRQ. Is this true?



Landing fees are $0.88 per 1000lbs GTOW, a better indicator is cost per enplaned passenger though. I'm not sure what that is.



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User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18):
Coming west from Europe, the flights might use Bangor, ME as a tech-stop...especially if the headwinds are particularly strong.

No need the B767-300er with winglets has the range without problems to reach florida regardless of the season.
There is more issue with flights from SRQ-FRA or FLL-FRA. But rest assured that if FLL works then SRQ would work given the extra 500 ft.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6437 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting billreid (Reply 16):
About as feasible as Skybus buying Wn next week.

I meant IF runway length at SRQ was an issue. So how about an explanation instead of sarcasm, okay?



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User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 21):

Quoting billreid (Reply 16):
About as feasible as Skybus buying Wn next week.

I meant IF runway length at SRQ was an issue. So how about an explanation instead of sarcasm, okay?

Sorry, figured most knew that tag flights do not EVER work without 5th freedoms. The problem is the inability to pick up pax so the load is reduced by about 50% without a true reduction in cost. Airlines have a great deal of problem with profitability without reducing load to 50%, therefore a tag with RSW is about as possible as Skybus buying WN next wekk. I mean it wont happen ever!

Think of the cost of pushing a 767 to 20,000ft to fly people 75 miles with no revenue. Cost would exceed $25,000 when factoring all costs in without any money to be made. It would make more sense to make a bus carry the pax.
Besides Ft. Myers is really not that nice a destination and is in decline.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Quoting billreid (Reply 22):
Besides Ft. Myers is really not that nice a destination and is in decline.

Would you care to explain that statement? Being a Florida resident six months of the year in Naples just south of Ft Myers, any decline is not evident to me. Maybe you are using irony, but if so, it is too subtle for me.


User currently offlinekrsw757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Quoting billreid (Reply 22):
Besides Ft. Myers is really not that nice a destination and is in decline.



While, I agree that the tag-on probably wouldn't work, Ft. Myers actually has a pretty big German market and in fact saw Air Berlin increase to 4x weekly to DUS. So I wouldn't necessarily call it in decline.


25 billreid : AB has never had profitibility on that route. Go check the fares and you'll see. There is a common incorrect belief that full planes are profitable.
26 bobnwa : I thought the subject was Ft Myers being in decline, not fares on AB or fares on BA to TPA. The economy and housing market are doing quite well in So
27 N92R03 : I remember when both Condor and Martinair served TPA. Ahh, the good ole' days...
28 billreid : Where do you get your stats? The Ft. Myers region has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation and the foreclosure rate is extremely terri
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