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Farnborough Airshow 2010 Official Thread  
User currently offlineModerators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 56607 times:
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As you all know, the Farnborough International Airshow is taking place on 19-25 July 2010. As this is a very important event, we are creating this official thread with the purpose of providing a summation of everything happening during the event.

We will also allow, and actually encourage, the creation of a separate thread for every aircraft or engine order being announced.

When posting news, please make sure to back them up with a source. If you can't provide a link, a fair use excerpt of the journal you are referencing would be sufficient.

Thank you everyone for your cooperation. Have fun and enjoy the Farnborough coverage here on the forums!

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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4137 posts, RR: 90
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 56600 times:
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The first announcements are being made but not for any airplanes but rather Aviatiion Partners Blended Winglets for two carriers;

Malaysia Airlines to Equip Boeing 737-800s with Blended Winglets

FARNBOROUGH, England, July 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Aviation Partners Boeing Blended Winglets will be installed on all 35 of the 737-800 aircraft that Malaysia's national carrier, Malaysia Airlines, has on order with Boeing. The first aircraft will deliver later this year, with deliveries continuing into 2013.

"We are very pleased that Malaysia Airlines decided to install Blended Winglets on its entire fleet of 737-800 aircraft," says Aviation Partners Boeing CEO John Reimers. "This commitment assures they are operating the most efficient aircraft available with greater flexibility to meet the changing needs of the industry in Southeast Asia."


End - Source

China Southern Airlines Orders Blended Winglets For Boeing Next Generation 737 Deliveries

RTTNews) - China Southern Airlines has ordered Blended Winglets for its future Boeing Next Generation 737 deliveries. Also, Aviation Partners Boeing said that the order, that provides for winglet installations on 55 aircraft delivering between 2011 and 2015, is APB's largest winglet order to-date in China.

End - Source

More also at http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/

Regards



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User currently offlinealwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 56577 times:

Let me kick it off by asking who is welcome at the show and who is not?
I've heard a number of over 800 planes in total, certain planes are obviously welcome; like the different types of the larger manufacturers.

But are there many private planes on display?
If I were to own something "unique", would I be able to book a landing slot and a nice place on the apron?

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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 56288 times:

Do private A/C of spectators and prospective customers land right at Farnborough during the Airshow, (for those fortunate enough to arrive that way?)

Is there enough parking for them?

How do they regulate departures and arrivals when there are demonstration T/O and landings and fly-bys happening?



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User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 56163 times:

Did Emirates announce their order for 22 B777's yet?

User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55597 times:

According to the below, EK is ordering more than 30 B777s...

- The Australian
- USpost today
- Sports USA
- Houston-news.com
- etc.

Even Google news picked up the story...let's see how many it will be at the end of the day/show.



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User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55558 times:

BA 24 787s (somewhat of a surprise order, but may not. They need new long haul aircraft. Good to see a new 787 order though!

http://www.automatedtrader.net/real-...7-aircrafts-to-join-longhaul-fleet

Attention

This seens an order dated yesterday according to the website, but probably is an automatic generated page announcing an old order today! Xcuse me. ..
Can't they prevent this kind of misleading pages?


[Edited 2010-07-19 02:41:00]

[Edited 2010-07-19 02:42:10]

User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55532 times:

Since the EK 'order' is nothing but a conversion of a previously placed multi-type order by DAE, several sources have estimated that the order needs to be between 35 and 40 planes, otherwise the value of it is reduced.

I'd say it is going to be 36, just a bet.


User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55477 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 6):
They need new long haul aircraft. Good to see a new 787 order though!

If they are to replace the existing B767'a I wonder if we will see them in future on certain longer European routes.


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55485 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 6):
BA 24 787s (somewhat of a surprise order, but may not. They need new long haul aircraft. Good to see a new 787 order though!

http://www.automatedtrader.net/real-...fleet

That's not a new order, that's the one they placed back in 2007.



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User currently offlineJack From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55440 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 6):
BA 24 787s (somewhat of a surprise order, but may not. They need new long haul aircraft. Good to see a new 787 order though!

Don't they have that number on order already. Is this new ?


User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55388 times:

Airbus is marketing the A380 under the cool-sounding slogan:

it takes an A380 to compete with an A380.


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 55214 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 11):
it takes an A380 to compete with an A380.

I don't like the A380 but I must admit.... I do like this slogan!
Ironic. 



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User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 55177 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 11):
it takes an A380 to compete with an A380.

Certainly a good slogan   


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2104 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 55122 times:

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 12):
I don't like the A380 but I must admit.... I do like this slogan!

Have you ever flown on it? The thing is the best long hauler out there from a PAX point of view. Made the mistake of bringing my family over to KL via SIN on an SQ bird. My son will not fly anything but SQ A380 from now on!!! Mind you he was starting from a low level, his favorite airline used to be DL!!!


User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 55077 times:

Love the slogan. 

Now they need to face off two A380s like they did with the LH and EK birds at Berlin.   



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4137 posts, RR: 90
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 55090 times:
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Bloomberg and Businessweek are reporting that GECAS will order 100 narrow bodies consisting of 60 A320 family and 40 B737s.

Emirates confirm order for 30 777-300ERs. More at Emirates Confirm Order For 30 B777-300ERs (by PanAm_DC10 Jul 19 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Mutliple sources

[ EDIT - Add link to Emirates 777 order thread ]

[Edited 2010-07-19 03:04:02]


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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 54755 times:

Quoting col (Reply 14):
Have you ever flown on it? The thing is the best long hauler out there from a PAX point of view. Made the mistake of bringing my family over to KL via SIN on an SQ bird. My son will not fly anything but SQ A380 from now on!!! Mind you he was starting from a low level, his favorite airline used to be DL!!!

No, I still haven't!!!  
Maybe just after I will experience a flight on it... I will change my mind, exactly as your son did.   

[Edited 2010-07-19 03:14:40]


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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 54550 times:

Appers that Saudia will be identified as an 12x UFO B777-300ER customer (in German):

http://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/news/new...us_Saudi-Arabien.html?cid=17989798

Air Lease Corp is expected to order 50 A32x:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE66I0VE20100719

MAS orders PW4000s for its A330s:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...ific_business/view/1070211/1/.html



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User currently offlineJack From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 54536 times:

On the Airbus website.

Air Lease Corporation (ALC), the recently formed aircraft financing and leasing company, has chosen to place its first firm order for new aircraft directly from a manufacturer with Airbus. The order is for 20 A321 aircraft and 31 A320 aircraft.


User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 53428 times:

AEROFLOT SIGNS FOR 11 AIRBUS A330-300 AIRCRAFT

Aeroflot Signs For 11 Airbus A330-300 Aircraft (by aviationbuff Jul 19 2010 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2010-07-19 05:22:33]

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4137 posts, RR: 90
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 52887 times:
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Quoting Moderators (Thread starter):
We will also allow, and actually encourage, the creation of a separate thread for every aircraft or engine order being announced.

Just to add to the Moderators note. As the industry is recovering from the past years we are allowing each order to be discussed in its own thread. So please feel free to start a thread if you have a new order announcement. This can be from any OEM, not just Airbus and Boeing. Some orders already have their own threads so please feel free to participate in them;

Saudi Arabian Airlines To Order 12 B777-300 ER (by ManuCH Jul 19 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Air Lease Corp. Ordering 20 A321 And 31 A320 (by ManuCH Jul 19 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Emirates Confirm Order For 30 B777-300ERs (by PanAm_DC10 Jul 19 2010 in Civil Aviation)

At the end of each day we'll be sure to update total orders for ease of reference in this thread



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 52239 times:

So what is the current overall orders stand?

Airbus
Aeroflot 11 x A333 (confirmation of previously announced order)
Gecas 50 x A320
Air Lease 31 x A320 + 20 x A321

Boeing
Emirates 30 x 77W
Saudia 12 x 77W
British Airways 24 x 787
Gecas 40 x 737

[Edited 2010-07-19 05:38:34]

User currently offlinecerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 51878 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
British Airways 24 x 787

As noted by others above, are we sure this is a new order?

Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
Gecas 50 x A320

Not (yet) formally announced?


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3386 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 51852 times:

I'd read the current position as :

EK 30 * 773ER (12 new and 18 already booked as a UFO)
Saudia 12 * 773ER (all previously a UFO)
Air Lease 51 * A32X (firm)
GECAS 40 * 737 (firm)
Aeroflot 11 * A330

with GECAS expected to order some A32X and Air Lease some 737s if the news report are to be believed - I think that the BA 787s are an accidental republising of an old news story (link no longer works)


25 Stitch : Well 12 of them are new orders (to add to the 18 they previously ordered as UFOs). And an order is an order. I mean EK's 32 A388s were a "compensatio
26 Post contains links aviationbuff : GE CAPITAL AVIATION SERVICES ORDERS 60 A320 FAMILY AIRCRAFT GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS), the commercial aircraft leasing and financing arm of
27 Post contains images slz396 : Before the start of this show, John Leahy commented he was quite confident Airbus would be able to double the number of orders Airbus has year to date
28 PlaneAdmirer : That's like being impressed with Ivan Boesky's ability to pick takeover candidates when Boesky was trading on insider information. It's not like JL w
29 slz396 : Oh I know that, but still he's able to make a big show out of something as dull as announcing orders by creating a lot of drama to it. The public pre
30 Thorben : Airbus Aeroflot 11 x A333 (confirmation of previously announced order) Gecas 60 x A320 Air Lease 31 x A320 + 20 x A321 Boeing Emirates 30 x 77W Saudia
31 Post contains links EBGARN : Norwegian Air Shuttle has just announced an order of another 15 737-800 for delivery 2014-2016: http://www.norwegian.se/about-norweg...1f5f7e46c&t
32 Chiad : But I think that we should remove 18 x 77W for EK and 12 x 77W for Saudia since they were already in the books and not from the Airshow. The 11 x A33
33 Lumberton : General Electric is having a huge day with the GE90 and CFM. I wonder how many of Hazy's 51 A320/A321s will be CFM powered?
34 FCKC : French newspaper "Les Echos" says LAN Chile (and probably all their affiliates) will announce an up to 70 A320s order at the show.
35 Post contains links and images astuteman : So much for the "soft" narrowbody backlog.... That would make 236 narrowbodys in the show already if I include the LAN speculation...... edit - an in
36 slz396 : Some of those 70 may very well be just options though... on the other hand, is there any chance we will see LAN order some more A318s?
37 Post contains images EPA001 : Well, developments at such a big show as Farnborough always turns out to be require that the news desks should work overtime. Otherwise their news an
38 CFBFrame : SO no one thinks that a A350 deferral/cancellation is not a BIG thing? Which configuration was it for? We all know how hard it is for Airbus to say th
39 Post contains images EPA001 : Since the A350-1000 is still at least 5 years away, and the first free slots are for 2017 at the earliest, this comes as no surprise to me. The B77W'
40 CFBFrame : Okay, I get it, you're joking!!!! Took me awhile, I thought there may have been a language barrier when I first read your post!!!
41 SCL767 : No, LAN will not order anymore A318s.
42 eugegall : Does anyone know what time BOE787 will depart tomorrow? Im thinking after the show around 16:30 Local time?
43 Aeroflot777 : Definitely. The order was previously known - now it's just official. The government was just saying there aren't enough orders for Russian planes. Bu
44 B738FlyUIA : There any thoughts about the Sukhoi Superjet orders? As there are Alitalia and Malev... maybe some others that "might" be in the SkyTeam Alliance?
45 Post contains links Mortyman : Norwegian is exercising their purchase rights from their previous order of 42 NG 737 from 2007 according to Boeing: " The airline is exercising purcha
46 CFBFrame : Based on the comment from Aeroflot777 above, the order should or should not be included? Do you count MOUs or firms? Do you remove the deferrals/canc
47 Post contains images scbriml : All that wss previously announced (but not by Airbus) was that Aeroflot WOULD order more A330s. Now they have. How can that not be a new order? Both
48 motorhussy : Hey MOD's, how about starting an Official Orders Thread like in prev. years? Regards MH
49 scbriml : From the opening post in this thread:
50 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Day one has showed positive signs of a recovery for the industry and we saw some major announcements, below are a few currnently being discussed elsew
51 motorhussy : @ scbriml Yeah thanks buddy, I realise this, but for an at-a-glance summary, not so easy. Or are you suggesting I should start one... MH
52 CFBFrame : My point exactly!!!! Just post the orders and do not attempt to define whether an announcement is a good order or bad.
53 Post contains links Blackprojects : A new Variant from Augusta Westland was anounced today at the Show. AW169 http://defensenews.com/blogs/farnbor...westland-unveils-aw169-helicopter/ Th
54 motorhussy : Indeed, unencumbered by political or personal bias, just the facts. Thanks CFBFrame, can't just be us on the same page. Regards MH
55 motorhussy : And from a marketing perspective, good imbuing it with North American connotation.
56 Stitch : I don't see why it should not be. We count option conversions as new orders, so why not purchase rights?
57 leothedog : I have a question: Why did Boeing not send a 474-8 to Farnborough? Since sales have been sluggish, might not have hurt to put one of those on display
58 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : This is a new order and one specifically announced at Farnborough, from the media release; FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall
59 einsteinboricua : Seems orders are starting to pick up. May we be looking at a rebound in the airline industry? I expected that slogan from EK or VS. Either way, nice m
60 Post contains images engineergreg : Very simple, Boeing does not make a 474-8. I believe you meant 747-8. Good question though, I have wondered the same thing given the 747-8's sluggish
61 leothedog : *Hitting myself over the head with a frying pan* No excuses. I messed up. But yeah, great opportunity to showcase it. Maybe Boeing feels it's more im
62 Stitch : They evidently were considering it, but they felt it better to keep all the planes in the US performing flight test and certification duties. I would
63 pnwtraveler : To bring a 748F to the airshow would have been much more disruptive to the testing regime it is at now. It has nothing to do with sales. To prep the a
64 Post contains images engineergreg : Nothing to worry about there, we all have our moments That's one possibility. Or perhaps it's a gamble, realizing that the 747-8 has a slim chance of
65 Post contains links and images cosmofly : "Boeing would announce a "significant number" of orders over the next couple of days" http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66I1VZ20100719 We may stil
66 okie : GECAS would be Tango Uniform if it was not for a massive infusion of Obama Bucks at taxpayer expense, so lets hope at least those A320's are GE power
67 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Sukhoi have secured an order from Indonesian carrier Kartika Airlines for the Superjet. Russia's Sukhoi signs $951 mln Superjet deal FARNBOROUGH, Engl
68 Post contains links kaitak : Flybe has ordered 35 Embraer 175s, with options for 65 more. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...rcraft-from-u-k-carrier-flybe.html Terrific news!
69 SCL767 : LAN Airlines S.A. considers the A32S family to be "the workhorse" of the airline. By 2018, LAN Airlines S.A. intends to have a fleet consisting of up
70 Post contains links david_itl : QR has ordered 3 "business jets" from Bombardier per this article.
71 SSTsomeday : Perhaps if the manufacturers counted/announced their orders and cancellations the same way and in a more timely manner, then simple stats would not b
72 CHRISBA777ER : Some idiot on Bloomberg is about to tell us why the A380 was never built to be profitable and was just an EU vanity project at massive taxpayer expens
73 AustrianZRH : So the question is - what is his username? Which is exactly what they do in their spreadsheets and their accounting. The press releases now, that's s
74 Post contains images slz396 : Interesting he still dares to show their face on television... The superjumbo plane is about to hit its original break-even sales numbers with more t
75 scouseflyer : Would that be this week, have you heard a whisper?
76 Post contains links r2rho : Nice! Good news for Sukhoi! And I think there is still more potential for this a/c in southeast Asia. This is actually the firming up of an old "tent
77 HAWK21M : Hoping for some B787 orders on this show. Also some Indian orders too.
78 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : Thank you for the extra information r2rho EDIT to add RJ and correction Royal Jordanian have been identified as an undisclosed customer for 3 previou
79 oa260 : Great news indeed. Hopefully we will see some new routes and expansion.
80 AeroplaneFreak : Does anyone think any Australian airlines will order anything?
81 Post contains images art : I believe a little company called BA ordered a couple of dozen on Monday.
82 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Another leasing order for Boeing. Avolon Announces Order for 12 Boeing Next-Generation 737s DUBLIN & SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Avolon, the aircraf
83 astuteman : Although this suggests that they might not have. Together with them being absent from PanAm_DC10's summary in post #50.. Rgds
84 art : I am a bit confused. Order placed in 2007; announcement in 2010. Was BA an unidentified buyer who "came out" on Monday perhaps? Can't think why a 200
85 Post contains links EBGARN : They did announce it back in 2007: http://press.ba.com/?p=277 I believe the announcement was just re-published by mistake by a news agency a few days
86 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : A few more orders announced; 1: Air Lease Corp have ordered 20 Embraer Jets Udvar-Hazy buys 20 Embraer jets as spree continues England, July 20 (Reute
87 Post contains links r2rho : BIG day for ATR! Azul orders 20+20 ATR-72-600s http://www.atraircraft.com/public/at...D=20c9a893cc1a538e5717c9aaa97e6939 Air Lease Corporation 10+10 A
88 PanAm_DC10 : Thank you for the Regional coverage r2rho. Quite interesting from Azul as ATR had 20 unidentified orders on the books. This appears to be new going f
89 Post contains links and images r2rho : PanAm, are you sure about this? The link you provide points to a press release from november 2009, and it seems that Wings Air has already started to
90 Post contains images astuteman : I'm not going to profess to be an expert, but It's not mentioned in any Boeing press release. It's not mentioned in any BA press release It's not men
91 PRGLY : what is going on today, Airbus is sleeping?
92 Post contains links AustrianZRH : Looking at the conference room schedule, it looks like nothing from Airbus today... One A press conference to go on Thursday 4 pm. Edit: but as I typ
93 Post contains links RyanairGuru : Royal Jordanian have ordered 3 787s. The Sydney Morning Herald added this little titbit at the end of its article on the Flybe order: Also on Tuesday,
94 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : Hi r2rho, yes I am sure about this. That I got it wrong and my thanks for the clarification I have edited it out. Yes there is more than just A&B
95 Post contains links flood : "LAN signs Memorandum of Understanding for 50 A320 Family aircraft" http://event.airbus.com/airshows/far...g-for-50-a320-family-aircraft.html
96 Post contains links and images r2rho : As I think this news is enough to deserve its own thread, I have started it: ATR Gets A Boost At Farnborough (by r2rho Jul 20 2010 in Civil Aviation)
97 Post contains images n1786b : No, signing MOUs 2 so far today.... LAN and Hong Kong Airlines for 15 A350s and 10 A330s (posted on twitter - to be confirmed)
98 Post contains images PITingres : Isn't it wonderful how some analysts can uncover the deep, dark motivations even if they seem contrary to fact? I suppose one can argue about when (o
99 Post contains links robffm2 : It seems to be true: http://www.lse.co.uk/FinanceNews.asp...gns_MOU_for_15_A350s_10_more_A330s
100 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : This order was booked on the Boeing O&D spreadsheet back in December 2009 so it was a part of the UFO's on Boeings books. FARNBOROUGH, United Kin
101 keesje : I fully agree with the MODS on giving every order / MOU it's own thread. Searching through hundreds of replies in line to find info/ follow a discuss
102 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Well done Airbus! That's made my day, that has. Congrats! Huge order for Airbus twins!
103 Post contains links flood : Seems HK Airlines will be "converting 15 existing A330 orders to A350 XWBs and placing an additional order for 10 A330-200s." http://www.ajc.com/busin
104 scouseflyer : In the wording of the HK order (that Pan AM DC10 has posted on his post) is that the A350 part of the order is a conversion of 15 existing A330 orders
105 Post contains links ManuCH : Hong Kong Airlines have signed a memorandum of understanding to convert 15 A330 into 15 A350XWB, and to order 10 more A330-200. Hong Kong Airlines Sig
106 Post contains images glideslope : While a slogan that is catchy, it's really ineffective IMO. While admitting you own the market segment it really is a disincentive to competition and
107 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : From Boeing via Twitter. Air Lease Corporation (ALC) Chairman and CEO Steven Udvar-Hazy announces agreement for up to 60 Boeing Next-Generation 737s.
108 A5XX : It seems Bombardier's hopes for Cseries orders have faded away... so far. :-|
109 Post contains links Lumberton : Something that I noticed yesterday. Could this be a factor? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/k-i...ey-2010-07-19?reflink=MW_news_stmp
110 Post contains images Clipper136 : Don't want to turn this thread political....but the dye was cast..... Okie...glad to see you don't let facts cloud your judgements. Those were Bush B
111 sirtoby : GECAS aircraft are GE powered by definition (at least if they are directly ordered by GECAS)
112 UALWN : Aren't both of you confusing GECAS with ILFC? The former is a subsidiary of GE, the latter was a subsidiary of AIG.
113 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : Orient Thai Airways: 12+12 Superjet 100 http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE66J1MR20100720
114 CRJ900 : What about the CRJ1000? Sukhoi has now sold 12 SuperJets to Thailand. The CRJ family is well known in the aviation world, wouldn't it be just as easy
115 Post contains links oykie : Sadly LAN has stated that they will try to sell their fleet of A318. Wonder if they are able to pull of the sale? Maybe they might serve as excecutiv
116 Post contains images airbazar : Showing off your lemon is not exactly good publicity either They're not stating they're the only horse to choose from. They're stating they're the be
117 HNL-Jack : I'm sure we will see the B-748I at next years show. No point in interrupting the B-748F flight tests when it's the only game in town in that category
118 Post contains links readytotaxi : I found this interesting, A400m, listening to the commentator this aircraft is better than anything the americans have to offer at the moment, why the
119 ER757 : Well, actually no - if they would have come, it would have been the 747-8 FREIGHTER. That's not only the best in its category, it the ONLY thing in i
120 Post contains images 7cubed : Does Louis Gallois saying this surprise you?
121 Post contains links sasd209 : Indian operator buys 4 Russian helos: I didn't see this posted here yet (even though it is a small order) , so I figured I'd post the relevant text fr
122 Post contains images pnwtraveler : Rumour mill is rife that Bombardier will make tomorrow an interesting day. Flightblogger among others are buzzing. We will see .
123 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Day two and there were more announcements from the OEMs indicating the recovery in the industry, Airbus and Boeing combined have already made announce
124 dank : I think that you are missing the point of the slogan. What it says is that the only way to compete with an airline flying an A380 is to have one your
125 Post contains links Chiad : RBS commits to 95 Airbus and Boeing jets RBS Commits To 95 Airbus And Boeing Jets (by Chiad Jul 21 2010 in Civil Aviation) 52 firm Airbus A320s 43 fir
126 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Boeing and Air Austral have announced that the carrier has agreed to buy two B777-200LR for delivery in mid 2011 and 2012. This makes the carrier a ne
127 flood : Jon is also tweeting 10x 737 NG's for Okay Airways, China.
128 columba : The one thing that makes me wonder is the low number of Airbus widebodies (A330, A350, A380) being sold so far while Boeing has sold quite a few 787s
129 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Be patient mate. All in good time.
130 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : That is now confirmed. FARNBOROUGH, U.K. (MarketWatch) -- Boeing Co. /quotes/comstock/13*!ba/quotes/nls/ba (BA 63.88, +0.70, +1.11%) said Wednesday i
131 na : No 748F showed up. No 748 or A380 order so far. This Farnborough show is a disappointment. Good I had to cancel my visit.
132 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Two orders for Airbus have been announced. Germania firms A319 order Berlin-based Germania's holding company has firmed its order for five Airbus A319
133 Post contains links ivo : Garuda just ordered some A330-200. don't now how much, I was a little late for de live announcement. Garuda Indonesia Order 6 A330-200s (by PanAm_DC10
134 Post contains links flood : "Bermudan aircraft leasing firm Pearl to buy 30 Sukhoi SuperJet 100 planes for around US$900 million * Pearl also has an option to buy further 15 SSJ1
135 PanAm_DC10 : Qatar Airways have exercised options for 2 B777s initial reports state they are for the 777-200ER but I await clarification as it should be for the -2
136 ivo : Thai signed a MOU for 7 A330-300 Ivo
137 scbriml : Shouldn't really be that big a surprise. Looking at the two order books for the year before Farnborough showed Airbus with predominantly wide-bodies
138 Post contains images AustrianZRH : But most of them were already booked as UFOs, so it's not really "new" orders in the classical sense (assuming PanAm_DC10's summary is correct). I go
139 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : To update on Qatar Airways. They have converted 2 options for 777-200LR into firm orders and taken another 3 options on the model. The order was previ
140 Post contains links aviationbuff : American orders 35 additional 737-800s http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...orders-35-additional-737-800s.html
141 SSTsomeday : Is a Memorandum of Understanding basically an order but the money is not in place yet for the deposit? Do Memorandums of Understanding generally/stat
142 Post contains links FRNT787 : Republic Airways Holdings has ordered 24 Embraer E190s (with options to convert to E195). The article is not specific, but I am under the assumption t
143 PYGMALION : IMHO, what you are seeing is the result of the publicity war of previous Airshows. I think Boeing got tired of losing the "orders at the Airshow" batt
144 Post contains links pnwtraveler : I haven't noticed reference to it on any thread but Qantas has taken 7 more Q400's. And as well Porter and Bombardier have announced at the show that
145 david_itl : BE's ERJ175 order has a very slightly amended delivery schedule - the 1st one is being delivered in Spring 2011 and not September 2011
146 Post contains images EA772LR : I love seeing new orders for the 77L. I wonder where Air Austral is planning on using the 77L? Some destinations not call for the 77W capacity? This
147 Post contains links Lumberton : GE continues to roll! 88 737 orders today (UBS, AA, Okay) and 4 777s. Now this: LAN selects CFM56 for 70 A320s [Edited 2010-07-21 12:46:44]
148 alwaysontherun : Why can't you enjoy an airshow without businessmen in overpriced suits signing billion-worth contracts?? ###"I'm always on the Run"###
149 SCL767 : Great news! Next year LAN will receive 15 A32S family a/c. That number will continue to increase during 2012 and onwards.
150 Lumberton : Also, forgot the E-Jet orders! They're powered by CF-34s. At least 50 firm so far.
151 Post contains links and images Lumberton : Here's an article on GE's progress so far at this airshow: GE says inks $16 bln of aviation order at show Included in that number: WRT narrow bodies,
152 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Day three and the announcements continued over the course of the day with RBS making a big start to the day even though the orders were previously boo
153 Viscount724 : Boeing shows 77L orders at 60 as of June 30. That would include the Air Austral order as the press release says it was previously shown as an unident
154 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Good to exercise a little patience as the show is not over yet! Regards Paul
155 Post contains links behramjee : QR press release on B 77L order can be viewed here: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...for-two-more-777s-accelerates.html
156 KFlyer : Is it unusual for any company to announce an order on 25th ?
157 FCKC : KFlyer At the last Paris Air Show , Singapore Al revealed their order for A350XWBs during the last professionnal day , few hours before the ending tim
158 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : From Boeing Azerbaijan Airlines Orders Boeing 767-300 Passenger and Freighter Models FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Bo
159 Post contains images scouseflyer : Wow, we just need an order for A340, A380 and 748 and there's been an order for every major type on offer from the big OEMS at this show
160 windshear : Can I ask why there is still orders coming in on a plane that is close to 30 years old? I am not disliking the 767 or anything, but how can it still
161 CX flyboy : The freighter fills a niche with the A332F or 77F not being exact competitors. I would imagine that with Boeing wanting to keep the 767 line open pen
162 SCL767 : Next year, LAN Airlines will take delivery of 3 brand new Boeing 767-312ERs. In 2012, LAN Cargo will take delivery of 2 Boeing 763Fs and one B777F.
163 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Virgin America Announces Order For 40 A320s plus 20 options Virgin America Spreads Its Wings: Airline Plans Order for 40 Airbus A320 Aircraft, With Op
164 hotplane : The following aircraft are leaving Farnborough today (Thursday): Sukhoi Super Jet Airbus A330F Airbus A400M Boeing 777-300ER Antonov 158 Not good for
165 scouseflyer : So with the 787 already gone, is there anything left for the public to see?
166 hotplane : Er.....sadly, no. The A380 and DHC8 are staying until Sunday though, but they're a bit old hat now.
167 Post contains links Thorben : 40 A320s for Virgin America http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vir...o-order-40-airbus-a320s-2010-07-22
168 UAL777UK : Not good at all, what with the 787 having already departed a lot of people like myself will not bother going this year.
169 CHRISBA777ER : No Asian announcement? Thats a surprise.
170 hotplane : Not sure when the Turk Wedgetail departs.
171 scouseflyer : Are we allowed to ask what you were expecting (or would you lose your job if you releaved that much detail)?
172 Jack : Did anyone see the streamed Airbus close of show conference? I have a very slow connection so the sound was not complete, but I thought I heard John L
173 Stitch : Because it works for them? During the "boom times" of the middle of the last decade, 767-300s (both ERs and Fs) were in high-demand and enjoyed a str
174 Post contains images slz396 : Tom Enders on what is the biggest difference between Airbus and Boeing at Farnborough, after having visited the 787: "We bring aircraft to the show to
175 KFlyer : Well, perhaps more 77Ws for SQ ? And there were three Asian orders IIRC, EK,QR and GA - though only the latter is truly Asian.
176 sirtoby : Don't forget Thai and their A330 order - MoU or what else...
177 PanAm_DC10 : To add. Not just Garuda but also Thai Airways and Hong Kong Airlines as noted in reply # 152 and others. Also Okay Airways for Boeing. ATR & Sukh
178 Post contains links PM : http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ews[backPid]=1683&cHash=27c3fe8896 Airbus have published their summary. That appears to be that. One hates
179 Post contains images flood : Appears so. Then again, they did write "The commitments so far". So far. Maybe there's hope yet
180 Post contains images AustrianZRH : The Farnborough press calendar still shows an Airbus press conference for today 1600-1745, so keep fingers crossed .
181 Post contains images The Shadow : Absolutely agreed! Little news from the major ongoing widebody sales campaigns. Full blown press conferences involving CEOs to announce the sale of t
182 The Shadow : Is that not the Airbus closing press conference?
183 Jack : Good spot I missed that. Agree with you on that one. It looks like two meetings, one at 16:00 & one at 17:00, but not streaming or at least not l
184 Burkhard : Obvius it may need another 4 years to go back to those days. if ever. Not a bad result given the biggest surprise was at Berlin already... Everybody
185 Post contains images Jumpjet : All in all, I believe Farnborough has been rather boring this year in terms of new orders, but that's probably a reflection of the economic climate. P
186 Post contains links Humberside : Also 2 ERJ-190 for Brazilian airline Trip http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1918972120100719
187 ferengi80 : Now that has really pissed me off. I had no idea the 787 had gone already, was so looking forward to seeing that, and also the Sukhoi Superjet 100. I
188 r2rho : I share your disappointment and after seeing this news I don't regret not being able to go to the show this year, as I'd likely be seeing the same di
189 EA772LR : Well, I think it's because the sales boom of 2004/2005/2006/2007 most of the A350s/787s have been ordered, and where those models aren't ordered, A33
190 pnwtraveler : Funny how the posts of a few consistantly end up into the same back and forth nonsense. Use of provocative words then feigning innocence grows very ti
191 kanban : Boeing legal decided the flying displays were too risky... if something minor happens it's bad press, if something major happens it's lawsuit $$$$. ev
192 tdscanuck : As someone told me recently, "Flying commercial jets at an airshow is like peeing in a dark suit. If you do it right, you feel better and nobody noti
193 UALWN : But stationary displays and in-flight displays are not mutually exclusive, are they?
194 Post contains images MYT332 : Airbus has stationary displays too but then they go out and fly. Airshow and all.....
195 UALWN : Interesting sentence! But I believe that when you fly a commercial jet at an airshow, in particular a jet that has not yet entered into service, and
196 Chiad : I have tried to sum up the NEW FIRM orders during the show. Please correct me if I have made some errors. AIRBUS GECAS: 60 A320s Air Lease Corporation
197 musapapaya : Thank you for the list - did we forget Virgin America's 40 A320s? Regards musapapaya
198 Post contains links zeke : Boeing has been participating in flying displays at air shows for ages, at Farnborough they displayed the F/A-18F http://vodpod.com/watch/4072486-boe
199 mham001 : An MoU.
200 kanban : Most airshows I have attended were stationary... the flying displays were private performers being paid to wow the crowd by performing at the edges o
201 Chiad : Like mham001 said .. it's not firm ... unfortunately.
202 fpetrutiu : AIRBUS GECAS: 60 A320s Air Lease Corporation: 51 A320s Aeroflot: 11 A330-300 Garuda Indonesia: 6 A330-200 Germania: 5 A319 Total Narrow-bodies: 116 To
203 Post contains links fpetrutiu : You are missing 3 787-800's from Royal Jordanian Source: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1327
204 dlphoenix : From the article in the link: Chiad was counting new orders . DLP
205 UALWN : I'm sorry but there's just no comparison. I've been to the "Festa del Cel" air shows in Barcelona over the last few years. Low passes and acrobatics
206 Lumberton : So the buying activity as ended at the airshow. What can we take away? My take: -Boeing has learned to play the "airshow game" and take advantage of t
207 mjabbasi : I'm visiting Farnborough on Sunday, one of only 2 days when the public are allowed inside and extremely disappointed to find out that the 787, A400M a
208 PM : This never was firmed up, was it? Or did I miss it?
209 Asiaflyer : 2 of Azerbaijans 767 already listed as UFO Royal Jordanian's 3 787-800s already listed as UFO. According to Boeings own orderupdate, they received ne
210 Stitch : It should be a UFO identification and already firm. Perhaps SV didn't give Boeing permission (in time) to announce it with today's update?
211 LAXDESI : I thought Indigo would order some NBs and perhaps some WBs, as they have received permission to order 100 aircraft. They will also be eligible to offe
212 CYatUK : Honestly I can't see the point in declaring who have taken "the cake" at Farnborough. The restricted duration of the show compared to a whole year an
213 col : I think you are missing the point. The order totals are for the show, that is why it is the official Farn Airshow thread, so cake from the show is re
214 LipeGIG : Interesting to see that Embraer E-Jets are still strong players and they secured some interesting orders during the show, even now with competition of
215 Post contains links Chiad : So it seems. http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm Quote: Changes since last update: 103 new orders: American Airlines (35 737s), Azer
216 The Shadow : Embraer also has a shrinking backlog and has to sell some planes...
217 columba : Can we expect any orders today ?
218 The Shadow : No ..........................................
219 scbriml : For those that have complained about what will have left before the public days at the weekend, I would point out that it's actually very trivial to
220 Post contains images EPA001 : I think you missed the ALAFCO upgrade from A350-800 to A350-900 and the Hong Kong Air MOU for 15 A350's and 10 A330, though technically the last one
221 hotplane : BA A318 G-EUNB is due 0930 Saturday for static display and is leaving 1300 Sunday. The airline doesn't opearte the LCY-JFK service over the weekend he
222 LY777 : So far in 2010, how many orders does Airbus have?
223 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Yes, definitely! There is.... the Avro Vulcan! The most incredible flying display at Farnborough 2010!
224 Post contains images readytotaxi : Glad you enjoyed your day. Your package should be waiting for you on your return.
225 rikkus67 : Did someone remind Bombardier of that?! SHEESH!
226 TISTPAA727 : The show was to be expected - some nice orders but overall not a frenetic pace. To me the disappointment of the show was the lack of a C-Series order.
227 Jambrain : On the hair-driers possibly. On WB the show would be anything but between RR & GE Trent 700 won 17 Airbus A330s from Aeroflot, and Garuda Indones
228 Post contains links lumberton : There is a lot of purple on that last chart. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...06/farnborough-engine-battles.html The Farnborough air show is bu
229 Post contains images PM : I hate to argue with a fellow believer but... The tiny number of orders announced make any comparison statistically meaningless. Moreover, if we inclu
230 sebjacques92 : Im heading off for the public displays tomorrow, does anyone know what the frequencies are for the airshow? From a simple google search i've found: Ap
231 Post contains images PM : As someone with a passing interest in engines, I wonder how the Hong Kong Airlines (HX) story will play out. The story so far... 1. (2007) HX order 20
232 fcogafa : Is this a precursor to some kind of announcement by BA - supposedly Mr Walsh is on board.....
233 Post contains links RubberJungle : For the curious among you, the reason for the BA 787 order-which-wasn't... http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ai...arn10-those-extra-ba-787sor-n.html
234 Post contains images hotplane : I expect Airbus slipped BA a few quid to display the A318 to save them bothering!
235 Post contains links lumberton : Yep, your moving average certainly shows a trend, but I'm not sure what you're measuring without access to the data. Does the wide body numbers inclu
236 MadameConcorde : Approach - 134.35 and 135.75 Tower 123.05 These are the frequencies I had when I was there in the Swan beer garden on Tuesday and Wednesday
237 Post contains images sebjacques92 : Thanks Had a great day at the airshow, would definitely recommend people to go if they can! I was shocked to see a complete lack of Boeing Commercial
238 Post contains links tdscanuck : It's a supplement to the UK rules. See pg. 5 here: http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/current/sup/EG_SUP_2010_19_en.pdf They did have a 777-300ER. And
239 Post contains links mham001 : Maybe things like this have something to do with Boeing policy at airshows. Canadian jet crashes during air show practice http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
240 Post contains images sebjacques92 : Well not today boeing did not have an aircraft there
241 Rivet42 : Indeed, I was very disappointed to see how many of the 'key' exhibits had left before the public were let in. I guess it's just a reminder that it's
242 KPDX : Well read what Scrimbl said earlier. Many people have said it is not very hard to get in on trade day.
243 MadameConcorde : You need to wear business attire, suit and tie, or suit skirt and jacket for ladies. That is a Must. Also you need to have your business card to hand
244 skinny : Just got back from today must say disappointed from the lack of commercial Planes on display. Highlights Were the A380 and Vulcan and C-27J truly aws
245 Larshjort : That wasn't needed at ILA for the trade visitor days, but maybe Farnborough is different. /Lars
246 PM : All GE, RR, PW, CFM, EA engines sold on widebodies. It includes Trent 900s for RR but I've not included GP7200s in the GE total. So, you're correct -
247 Post contains images MadameConcorde : 127.05 is the unpublished display frequency that they are using for the show. Ground is 123.05. (thanks ConcordeSST forum) You all have a great last
248 Post contains images Flyingfox27 : It was an excellent day yesterday, me and my girlfriend really enjoyed it, lets hope 2012 comes quick lol! My highlights were everything! I think the
249 boacboac : Sorry but that isnt correct, i have been going to trade day shows for 20 years, i dont make up a company name i just use the actual company i work fo
250 Post contains images lumberton : Agreed and thanks for the data!
251 Post contains links bombayhog : In case anyone reads down this far--I made a video at the Air Show this week for Monocle. Thought you might enjoy it: http://monocle.com/sections/busi
252 MadameConcorde : Very much doubt they would let people in on the first 4 trade days wearing jeans, T.shirts and a baseball caps so they do care about what people are
253 Larshjort : Again, it wasn't a problem in Berlin at ILA why would it be at Farnborough? I went on thursday , a trade day, and saw plenty of spotters wearing jean
254 tdscanuck : They did. Lots of trade day folks bring their families and significant others along. Tom.
255 pnwtraveler : I don't think Madame Concorde is saying there is a dress code to get in. If I understand, she is saying if you "dress" the part it is easier to get in
256 MandingoBoy : I went, I saw and I was bored.......I had such high expectations of this show, but when you cannot see inside an aircraft or discuss the technical cap
257 trintocan : Actually it is slightly different at the two Airshows. At Paris the Friday is officially a public day and special concessions are offered to school c
258 motorhussy : Nice presentation, thank you.
259 SSTsomeday : How do you do it? Do you have to know somebody who passes their tickets on to you? Or can you apply?
260 mjabbasi : Did anyone go to the Qatar Airways pavilion at any time? I need to ask them something. Thanks.
261 Post contains images scbriml : I was there on Tuesday and I can confirm there were plenty of people looking a lot less than "professional". Jeans, shorts and t-shirts were a common
262 AirframeAS : What about airline employees with their respective airline ID's and their station airport ID's??
263 scbriml : No idea. Sorry.
264 boacboac : An airline employee with an ID will have no luck trying to get in for free, they will have to pay the entrance just like everyone else. I have worn j
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