ManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 51 Posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11060 times:
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The Arabic newspaper "Al-Sharq Al-Awsat" has posted an article saying that Saudi Arabian Airlines will order 12 Boeing 777-300 ER aircraft soon. The first delivery will take place at the end of 2011.
This is interesting, as there are currently 12 unidentified 773ER orders which are believed to be for Saudia, although this article says they "will order" them. Maybe the correct tense got lost in translation between Arabic and German? Or will this turn out to be a new order not previously mentioned?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26676 posts, RR: 83 Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10607 times:
It's almost assuredly confirmation of an already placed order which those UFOs cover,
Sources reveal SV has ordered 12 B773ER from Boeing. Deliveries should begin late 2011. Planes to carry around 348 in a 2 class configuration.
Then goes on to delivery schedule of Airbusses. Received 3rd A333 last Thursday, another 3 to arrive this year and the last two next year. 2 A320s delivered in July, another 3 to arrive within a month making a total of 17 reveived out of 35 ordered. First A321 to be delivered in October.
The airline is looking at ordering more planes. Currently in negotiations on a new order to be delivered after 2013.
rwy31r From Saudi Arabia, joined Aug 2001, 452 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9667 times:
I never understood why SV didn't place orders for 773ER (and even 773 when they first came out) earlier, many years ago. The backbone of the fleet are the 772s and they are not enough anymore. The 773ER will offer cheaper pilot, crew and logistic support as 772 are still around, they provide good range and payload, it has been shown to be the replace the old 747s (which SV also operates).
It's about time..
12 doesn't see enough (nor the 8 A333) both of which will look gorgeous in my opinion
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11948 posts, RR: 37 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9582 times:
Quoting rwy31r (Reply 6): I never understood why SV didn't place orders for 773ER (and even 773 when they first came out) earlier, many years ago
I think the reason it didn't go for the standard 773 is that performance might have been an issue, given the temperatures in the KSA (yes, I know EK has them). The 77W's performance is very significantly better than the 773.
I certainly see repeat orders of both the A333 and 77W, especially as the 772s are getting a bit long in tooth. I wonder if SV has the option to roll over its A333s and get A350s instead. Also, I have very little doubt that Airbus sees SV as a potential A380 customer. With EY, QR and EK being A380 customers, SV will not want to be left out.
boeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 57 Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9428 times:
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 3582 posts, RR: 36 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7917 times:
Quoting turjo101 (Reply 9): Why has SV not considered the 748 as a replacement for the 743/744?!?
I guess they might have considered it, but came to the conclusion that the B77W will work better for them. And most likely it will be the more economical airplane for them. .
GlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 601 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6911 times:
Will these replace existing aircraft of give the ATL/BOS/DEN/DFW/SEA people a reason to post?
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2656 posts, RR: 59 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6728 times:
Quoting rwy31r (Reply 6): 12 doesn't see enough (nor the 8 A333) both of which will look gorgeous in my opinion
Keep in mind, they've also signed a deal with ALAFCO to get 12 of their 787's:
HiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 788 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4228 times:
Quoting rwy31r (Reply 6): I never understood why SV didn't place orders for 773ER (and even 773 when they first came out) earlier, many years ago.
The 773 doesn't have the legs . It struggles past 4000 nm. The 772ER I think could carry more payload on JED-MNL than it!
The 77W was a missed opportunity, they should've gotten them earlier to replace the classics. But fixing the short haul fleet was the bigger priority.
Quoting rwy31r (Reply 6): 12 doesn't see enough (nor the 8 A333) both of which will look gorgeous in my opinion
They're not as a 1 to 1 replacement, but bear in mind the large order of A32X. A lot of short range and thin medium range routes served by the B772 were replaced by them.
Quoting kaitak (Reply 7): Also, I have very little doubt that Airbus sees SV as a potential A380 customer.
I doubt it. SV's director general has already ruled it out, plus there are no routes to support it. The days of prestige orders are long gone.
Quoting turjo101 (Reply 9): Why has SV not considered the 748 as a replacement for the 743/744?!?
Too big.
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 12): Keep in mind, they've also signed a deal with ALAFCO to get 12 of their 787's
This is not 100% firm. SV are getting a bit of cold feet, although it's not canceled. They're playing wait and see.
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 12): I can't help but have a feeling this is 787-9 territory
That part of the article was the interesting part. With the delays of the 787 and the quick delivery of their 77W, they have time to plan. 789 is definitely a possibility.