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Video: Virgin Atlantic A346 Go-Around At Boston  
User currently offlinereggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15129 times:

Distant view of a go-around on July 18th after an apparently hard touchdown. Note the wobble on climbout. I have seen aborted landings before but I don't remember that rocking back and forth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNtWqsC9Z8g

Note: Taking heed of one comment on this thread.....if you don't like to hear videographer commentary while watching videos, please, please, please, turn down the volume before watching this one.  Smile

[Edited 2010-07-19 06:31:25]

48 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15104 times:

Nice video, but the commentator really needed to "shut up"  


Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlinereggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14876 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):
Nice video, but the commentator really needed to "shut up"

Point taken and I have warned viewers appropriately. I was with my spotter colleagues and a lot of what you heard was dialogue between us.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14777 times:

Wasn't that the longest of Logan's runways there? It is interesting that the crew (apparently) felt they would run out of room had they set down again.

Great video, though!


User currently offlinereggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14667 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
Wasn't that the longest of Logan's runways there? It is interesting that the crew (apparently) felt they would run out of room had they set down again.

That was a landing on the shortest runway capable of accommodating taking large transports.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
Wasn't that the longest of Logan's runways there?

Actually, that was the shortest runway capable of accommodating large transports. It came back around and landed on the same runway.


User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14587 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):
Nice video, but the commentator really needed to "shut up"

No kidding!


User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14393 times:

Quoting Flying_727 (Reply 5):
Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):
Nice video, but the commentator really needed to "shut up"

No kidding!

thoroughly agreed!
perhaps the power has been set to idle a bit too soon?

regards
musapapaya



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User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14121 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
Wasn't that the longest of Logan's runways there? It is interesting that the crew (apparently) felt they would run out of room had they set down again.

After a bounced or balked landing it is the standard procedure at most (if not all) airlines to execute a go-around or rejected landing. It doesn't matter how long the runway is.


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4261 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13918 times:

I flew into (and out of BOS) on Friday, although likely several hours before this plane was due in. There was a very light chop but nothing too severe when we came in. In fact, my flights were quite standard and unremarkable.

It's just a routine go-around, nothing very exciting but nice to watch nonetheless. Must have been a little nerve-wracking for the passengers - in all of my flying days, I've never been on a commercial flight that performed a touch and go although I have been on one or two missed approaches!



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlinereggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13706 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 8):
I flew into (and out of BOS) on Friday, although likely several hours before this plane was due in. There was a very light chop but nothing too severe when we came in. In fact, my flights were quite standard and unremarkable.

This was filmed on Sunday and it was quite windy. We saw lots of crosswind landings.

Quoting richierich (Reply 8):
in all of my flying days, I've never been on a commercial flight that performed a touch and go

Same here. I've had at least 5 missed approaches that I can think of but never a touch and go.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13666 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):
Nice video, but the commentator really needed to "shut up"
Quoting Flying_727 (Reply 5):
No kidding!
Quoting musapapaya (Reply 6):
thoroughly agreed!

LOL, that's kind of rude... you guys realize the OP is the commentator?

I can't knock the commentary considering how much I'd be babbling about something stupid if I was recording the same thing.  

Nice video though.   

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineCarmelo From Hungary, joined Sep 2005, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13654 times:

Wow, look at the left hand wing power...


Carmelo
User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13250 times:

Not to nitpick, but wasn't that an aborted landing versus a missed approach? (In case the sound was off, the OP/Commentator repeatedly indicated that the plane had a 'missed approach.')

User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4261 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13061 times:

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 12):
Not to nitpick, but wasn't that an aborted landing versus a missed approach? (In case the sound was off, the OP/Commentator repeatedly indicated that the plane had a 'missed approach.')

Assuming the definition of an aborted landing is 'wheels on the ground', then yes that is accurate. And nitpicky. The guy was just talking as he watched the plane - he didn't have to be quiet or 100% perfect in his terminology!



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13036 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 13):
The guy was just talking as he watched the plane - he didn't have to be quiet or 100% perfect in his terminology!

Well, I was only asking to find out if there is in fact a true differentiation between the two terms. Also, I re-read my post and didn't see where I mentioned that the commentator needed to 'be quiet or 100% perfect in his terminology.'


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12985 times:

Quoting reggaebird (Thread starter):
Distant view of a go-around on July 18th after an apparently hard touchdown. Note the wobble on climbout. I have seen aborted landings before but I don't remember that rocking back and forth.

Great video there. No worries re the commentary in the background. The talking here is nothing compared to other videos that I have seen. Great job.



greenheart
User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12985 times:

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 14):

Well, I was only asking to find out if there is in fact a true differentiation between the two terms.

A missed approach occurs off of an instrument approach and the landing environment is not in sight or an aircraft executes a published missed approach procedure off of an instrument approach.

A Go-Around occurs when the crew elects to go around before touching down for whatever reason. The aircraft may actually touch down during the go-around maneuver.

An aborted landing occurs when the crew elects to go back airborne after touching down.


User currently onlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12907 times:

Can't tell to well from the video, but at the 17 second mark what looks like a USAir 319 taxis into the frame. I'm wondering, since it is hard to get the scale from the video, if it was a runway incursion and the Virgin thought they were headed for a collision?

User currently offlineCFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

Wait a minute, we have a.......

Quoting richierich (Reply 13):
Assuming the definition of an aborted landing is 'wheels on the ground', then yes that is accurate. And nitpicky. The guy was just talking as he watched the plane - he didn't have to be quiet or 100% perfect in his terminology!

misstatement on the part of the videographer, which caused a need for a "go and correct yourslef moment".

And now we have a......

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 14):
Well, I was only asking to find out if there is in fact a true differentiation between the two terms. Also, I re-read my post and didn't see where I mentioned that the commentator needed to 'be quiet or 100% perfect in his terminology.'

go back check, and correct if necessary moment.

And the winner is, a "don't speak when you're videoing for a.netters to be nitpicky" about moment.

Nice video, impressed you were able to get it recorded and not have a bunch of curse words mixed in with your comments!!!!

To be nitpicky, next time give me more action, curse a few times, drop the camera, and then ask everyone whether they saw the plane almost crash land.


User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12739 times:

Quoting CFBFrame (Reply 18):
And the winner is, a "don't speak when you're videoing for a.netters to be nitpicky" about moment.

Wow, that really rolls off the tongue.


User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12666 times:

My question: since the mains hit the ground, would the spoilers have deployed? If they did, would that be the first or second thing to put back down before/after the power goes up?

Just thoughts from a pilot flying a desk...



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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12624 times:

So what if the commentator mixed up his phrases. I can't believe some of the things people complain about. They don't want you to call it a she (yet ships have always been called that...) even. The correct term is go-around. It is quite obvious by the wobble of the airplane after going back up in the air that it was an extremely windy day. Nothing to see here, happens all the time. Leave it to a.netters who complain about the media over hyping things to over hype and over exaggerate things.

User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12557 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 21):
So what if the commentator mixed up his phrases.

Good god...if you would've taken the time to read ALL the posts, you would have seen my subsequent post explaining the reason for my question. To refresh your memory, my question was "is there a difference between a 'go around' and a 'missed approach.' (Or, are the two terms inter-changeable.)" The question has been answered.

Also, I find it ironic that you are going to nitpick my post by commenting on my nitpicking....


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4261 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12529 times:

Quoting reggaebird (Reply 9):
This was filmed on Sunday and it was quite windy. We saw lots of crosswind landings.

Ah, so this was quite a few hours after I was in and out of Boston! (like 48+!   ) I got my dates mixed up, sorry!

Quoting DualQual (Reply 16):
A missed approach occurs off of an instrument approach and the landing environment is not in sight or an aircraft executes a published missed approach procedure off of an instrument approach.

A Go-Around occurs when the crew elects to go around before touching down for whatever reason. The aircraft may actually touch down during the go-around maneuver.

An aborted landing occurs when the crew elects to go back airborne after touching down.

Thank you for the brief yet distinct definitions.

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 19):
Wow, that really rolls off the tongue.

Ha!!! But it's funny though!



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineDrEsteban From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12359 times:

@ Airportugal310

Yes, it is likely the ground spoilers will be deployed in this case.

However they wouldn't be part of the immediate actions initiating a go-around as, when TOGA
is selected on the Airbus, the spoilers are automatically stowed.


25 Post contains images Airportugal310 : Well isn't that something! You learn all sorts of cool, useless things everyday Thanks for that!
26 413X3 : I was replying to the posts here and also the ones on youtube. Who said I was talking only to you? Were you quoted?
27 catiii : Back to the OP, has anyone been able to figure out what happened here? I wasn't able to find the archived recording on liveatc.net; the one I found fr
28 B595 : I wonder if this was a low-level windshear go-around. Hard to be sure, but the rate of descent seems to increase in the last 50 feet or so, like the b
29 PlanesNTrains : Someone commented on YouTube that they were on the flight. They said that the captain blamed it on wind shear. -Dave
30 Maverick623 : Looked more like windshear, which would also explain the rocking as the plane lifted off again. The spoilers would automatically be retracted when th
31 SQ321 : It looks to me as if the main gear comes down very late on final
32 reggaebird : The landing at 2140 UTC is the return after the go-around. The original attempt occurs around 2123 UTC. Still, there is remarkably little conversatio
33 Woof : Lucky this didn't happen in the UK or the passengers would all be charged another departure tax!
34 Post contains images reggaebird : Are you suggesting that Brittons are over-taxed? On a separate note, I wonder when a hard landing is hard enough to warrant concern about the airwort
35 Maverick623 : I can speak only for Airbus, in that there's an accelerometer in the flight control software. If the landing exceeds a certain threshold (I don't rec
36 bospatriot : I've heard the a/c was avoiding completing an overweight landing (and probably hours of inspections, etc)
37 Airportugal310 : Bad rumor. After 6 hrs of flying, it would have burned more than enough fuel to be under MLW....easily.
38 SevenHeavy : Not necessarily. It could (in theory) still be over MLW. Easier to do on a shorter flight (for an A346) than a longer one because the payload is a gr
39 Airportugal310 : OK thats fair. Ill agree. That still leaves us with this question then: if the flight was in fact overweight (and I don't believe it was), then why w
40 alphaomega : MLW aside, if the aircraft hits windshear or anything else and causes it to drop hard enough onto the runway, the inspection could be required.
41 SevenHeavy : Personally, I'm not saying they would. Only that it is theoretically very possible to do. That said, it wouldn't be the first time its been missed, b
42 richierich : Clearly this was not an overweight landing guys... I think we can all be happy it ended well and safely. It was a (relatively) routine aborted landin
43 bonusonus : Wow, you certainly don't see that every day. Nice capture! The rate of decent definitely looks much too fast during the last few seconds of the approa
44 pliersinsight : I would agree. Also you will note from the exhaust shimmer that it appears a lot of power was applied a short time before touchdown. There is a notic
45 reggaebird : Wow! Thanks for this insight. When you look at it that way, it appears that the pilot was trying to go-around earlier that I originally thought. Inte
46 AmricanShamrok : Why is this?
47 DualQual : Several reasons. Number one, after a bounce or balked landing, it is much easier to put the airplane in the grass, or worse. For all intensive purpos
48 reggaebird : I got a private e-mail from a passenger on the aircraft. The person said that the bounce was hard enough to scare a flight attendant that was sitting
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