Daysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 800 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5323 times:
To me this accident really stands out as an incredible display of airman-ship. It was a tragedy that many lost their lives, but for 180 people to survive was incredible.
And who knows how many others have been saved after it was discovered just how dangerous the DC10 was, and the subsequent improvements to fan manufacture. I know the crew of the DHL A300 which lost hydraulics over Iraq credited there survival to the crew of UA232.
contrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1818 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5091 times:
I remember vividly coming home from work and watching CNN play and replay the crash footage over and over again. The crew deserves praise and commendation for bringing that plane in. It's a miracle everybody wasn't killed.
It's hard to believe it's been 21 years. Where has the time gone???
denverdanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4915 times:
On the way home from work today around 7:30 am, they had survivor Jerry Schemmel on the radio here. He does play by play radio coverage for the Colorado Rockies baseball team now, but at the time he was involved with the NBA. He didn't have too much new to say about the accident, but again praised the Captain and crew, as well as passengers and rescuers on the ground who helped save people. He said he's still in contact with a number of people and expected to talk to some of them today, especially the Captain. Jerry's book is a good read btw.
I had forgotten that today was the day it happened until they mentioned it on the radio. My brother and I had taken a DC 10 from Denver to Chicago that summer, as well as one back home from Dulles. I believe we took one from Chicago to Dulles too. Anyway, I always wonder if we had been on that particular plane that would crash later. I remember my grandmother speaking badly about United on account of the accident. But really, so many people survived an accident that was very bad. Even more would have survived if they had been able to get the 30 or so that died of smoke inhalation out of the deformed wreckage of a piece of fuselage they were trapped in.
SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2096 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4586 times:
Quoting 26point2 (Reply 5): All independent hydraulic system lines pass a common point?
They still do. Check Valves were added............
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
Daysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 800 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4477 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3): Can you clarify that statement..? What made the DC-10 so dangerous before..?
Just off the top of my head...
Rear cargo door locking mech,
Insufficient equalization relief valve's installed
Bad placement of hydraulic lines (All systems passing through a common location on the frame, removing redundancy)
No Hydraulic fuses installed
There have been a few threads posted recently discussing the problems with early DC10's, most people seem to put it down to the merger with the McDonnell company during its development.
It certainly is. I have a copy Chosen to Live and thought it very moving. My friend Joe Trombello also wrote a book of his account of the accident, entitled Miracle in the Cornfield. I can really recommend it if you haven't read it already.
Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 1): To me this accident really stands out as an incredible display of airman-ship. It was a tragedy that many lost their lives, but for 180 people to survive was incredible
I couldn't agree with you more. The performance of the four crew members that day - Captain Alfred C. Haynes, First Officer William R. Records, Flight Engineer Dudley Dvorak, and dead-heading Check Airman Captain Dennis E. Fitch - will always be praised, as will the work of the Woodbury County Disaster Services, so wonderfully portrayed in the movie Crash Landing: The Rescue of Flight 232 (also known as A Thousand Heroes).
AF1981 LHR-CDG A380-800 10 July 2010 / AF1980 CDG-LHR A380-800 11 July 2010
PC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2236 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4096 times:
I good friend of mine worked at Sioux City in the management field a couple years ago, and when she started there, she mentioned that the veterans who worked that day wouldn't even talk about it. Despite the wonderful survival story, they wouldn't talk about the things they said no human should see.
Quoting denverdanny (Reply 4): I believe we took one from Chicago to Dulles too. Anyway, I always wonder if we had been on that particular plane that would crash later.
I've often wondered the same thing about a certain 747 that had the mission of flight 800.
Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
BAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4016 times:
When asked in a gubernatorial debate (in 2008) about someone they looked up, Jill-Long Thompson, the Democratic candidate, said she looked up to the crew, especially the pilot who was a friend of her husband (an airline pilot;for united I belive) of that flight. That answer made me support her even more.
RP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 829 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3968 times:
I remember non-reving on a United plane less than a year after that happened. Sitting next to me was a veteran UA pilot. I asked him for his thoughts on the incident, expecting the usual response on how all pilots are well trained to work through any scenario. Instead, this pilot started gushing about how "that pilot was a genuis.....what he did was absolutely amazing". That gives you an idea of the odds the crew on that plane was experiencing, and how they overcame those odds.
Also, not related to this topic, I remember after we landed and the passengers all clapped. The pilot just turned to me and in a disgusted tone said "I hate when they do that!!"
SkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
Jan Brown Lohr was the Senior F/A on 232. In the movie, I believe it was Donna McGrady appeared in the Flight Deck with beverages in-hand if I recall the scene correctly.
DTW had several UA FA's who would deadhead to work back in the 80's including Donna McGrady.
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