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Bird Strike On AF A380 18-JUL; Cleanup Countdown!  
User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 16642 times:

Several members including myself witnesses the bird strike or at least the stains resulting from a bird strike on the tail camera of Air France's Alpha A380 yesterday during climb on flight AF1980 between CDG and Heathrow.

As a joke, since many on this and other related forums find Air France's aircraft exterior cleanliness record to be somewhat questionnable, I think it would be nice of members to report the cleanliness status of the tail camera as they fly the bird... - Oh! Sorry, my mistake! ...plane in the coming days, weeks, months, dare I mention years?

This will give us some idea about Air France's procedures on the matter.

2010-JUL-18 AF1980 CDG-LHR Strike on tail, blood stains on camera
2010-JUL-19 AF1981 LHR-CDG Blood stains on camera still present
...


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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 16521 times:

Why wont flying the plane through rain clean it up? Is it the boundary-layer effect that prevents rain from acting like a giant car wash in the sky?

User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3319 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 16414 times:

Notify Air France's caterers, they will soon remove the debris.   


you don't get a second chance to make a first impression!
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 16107 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 1):
Why wont flying the plane through rain clean it up?

Blood is very hard to get off once it dries. It takes more then just water



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 15544 times:

It was a shame for that bird just flying by at the wrong time. But what a way to go out, being hit by a A380 going at full tilt down the runway.

It was a surprise that a 550 mph wind couldn't clean the remains off the lens and also on the inbound I noticed it was raining and the rain didn't freeze despite being very high.

What a fantastic aircraft and it was nice to see it getting the international celebrity treatment it deserves.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 15496 times:

Quoting brightcedars (Thread starter):
As a joke, since many on this and other related forums find Air France's aircraft exterior cleanliness record to be somewhat questionnable, I think it would be nice of members to report the cleanliness status of the tail camera as they fly the bird... - Oh! Sorry, my mistake! ...plane in the coming days, weeks, months, dare I mention years?

Do bidets come in superjumbo size?   



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 15307 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
Blood is very hard to get off once it dries. It takes more then just water

The best fluid available for cleaning birdstrikes? Saliva. I realize how weird I look as I'm out on the ramp spitting on a cloth and wiping bird blood off with it... but it's a LOT faster than any of the more... kosher alternatives.
Most solvents are either useless, or pull the paint off with the debris!

Anyhow, I see the humor in this thread, and think it's a great idea.


User currently offlineAOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 14400 times:

Here's a bad quality pic of the blood stains:



User currently offlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 14371 times:

Looks more a like BUG stain that a blood stain !!!


It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13848 times:

Quoting Part147 (Reply 8):
Looks more a like BUG stain that a blood stain !!!

Well I think so also, then when it's a birdstrike in Engines then it never would make it's way up the tail.


User currently offlinetim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12963 times:

19th July was operated on CHARLIE not ALPHA as I hace photos and sat watching it before I boarded.

Are you sure about this because I flew on the A380 yesterday on AF1980 CDG-LHR 1025 on F-HPJC and on the tail camera in 51ABC there was NO blood stains on the shots from the tail camera neither were there on the main cabin screen...

so i don't know how that happened... as someone said are you sure it isn't a bug because it was not there on the way from Paris to London

Also I am guessing that your picture is from Sundays flight to London (you can clearly see T5 in the pic) as we landed on 27R yesterday not 27L and taxiied in round T3... Therefore I think there is confusion

[Edited 2010-07-20 04:13:39]

[Edited 2010-07-20 04:16:12]

User currently offlineAntarcticDHC6 From Austria, joined Aug 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12491 times:

Quoting tim222 (Reply 10):
19th July was operated on CHARLIE not ALPHA as I hace photos and sat watching it before I boarded.

I can confirm this. Have been on that flight as well: 19/7 AF1980. This was defenitely CHARLIE and NO stains at all.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11710 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 1):

The high impact burns the blood into the paint...chemicals will "freeze" it into the topcoat surface...

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
The best fluid available for cleaning birdstrikes? Saliva.

That works if the goo is fresh enough...if it remains to be baked by the sun, it almost becomes part of the paint.

While on the subject...I once flew on a Delta 767 from JFK to EDDF and was amazed to see at sunrise that a pigeon POO that I saw on the wing the evening before...was still on the wing at 38,000 feet!...do pigeons eat epoxy for a diet? Much fibre...perhaps Boeing can make a N/G ship out of that!...A "7POO7"...      


User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11308 times:

Rather than worrying about the cleanliness of their bird, Air France will soon enter emergency mode as PETA will demand them to ground all their A380 for being an accessory to bird homicide.   

Love the cleanliness joke.   



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11193 times:

When does AF stop flying the A380 to LHR?

Anyone know?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10963 times:

Quoting tim222 (Reply 10):
19th July was operated on CHARLIE not ALPHA as I hace photos and sat watching it before I boarded.

We're talking about AF1980 on the 18th of July. I suspect it was a birdstrike because the greyish stains on the left looked a bit like feathers, but it might have been a (big) bug strike.


User currently offlinetim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

Quoting brightcedars (Thread starter):
2010-JUL-18 AF1980 CDG-LHR Strike on tail, blood stains on camera
2010-JUL-19 AF1981 LHR-CDG Blood stains on camera still present
Quoting AOMlover (Reply 15):
We're talking about AF1980 on the 18th of July. I suspect it was a birdstrike because the greyish stains on the left looked a bit like feathers, but it might have been a (big) bug strike.

the original post states that it was the 18th paris-london AND 19th london-paris if you re read it and if the poster is talking about it being on the same plane on the 19th which I believe was yesterday flying from LHR-CDG then yesterday the aircraft must of come in from Paris and was CHARLIE not alpha and there was no blood on any tail camera


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10570 times:

That bird strike was on Sunday 18 July. It was AF A380 Alpha.

I know...I was on it.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10391 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
The best fluid available for cleaning birdstrikes? Saliva. I realize how weird I look as I'm out on the ramp spitting on a cloth and wiping bird blood off with it...

I'm sure AF would find plenty of AF and/or A380 haters on this forum who would be honored to do that job!!!



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8024 times:

What is it with the French and their strikes...now the birds are getting involved?


Paper makes an airplane fly
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

Quoting brightcedars (Thread starter):
Several members including myself witnesses the bird strike or at least the stains resulting from a bird strike on the tail camera of Air France's Alpha A380 yesterday during climb on flight AF1980 between CDG and Heathrow.

As a joke, since many on this and other related forums find Air France's aircraft exterior cleanliness record to be somewhat questionnable, I think it would be nice of members to report the cleanliness status of the tail camera as they fly the bird... - Oh! Sorry, my mistake! ...plane in the coming days, weeks, months, dare I mention years?

Hi brightcedars, nice to see you have already started that thread as suggested!

Quoting babybus (Reply 4):
What a fantastic aircraft and it was nice to see it getting the international celebrity treatment it deserves.

Yes, it was a pleasure to fly on the A380 between CDG and LHR - but it would have been a much more enjoyable event without that nerve-wracking delay - at least for me.  


Quoting babybus (Reply 17):
That bird strike was on Sunday 18 July. It was AF A380 Alpha.

  

For all those who are confused: There's simply a typo in brightcedars' post, he meant AF1981 on July 18.


Here are two pictures from the flight to LHR. This one was taken shortly after lift-off, only a few moments before the impact:



Unfortunately, due to turbulence I wasn't able to take a clear shot of the mysterious remains before the camera was switched off. The second shot was taken on approach shortly after the camera was switched on again:




PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 20):
but it would have been a much more enjoyable event without that nerve-wracking delay - at least for me.

I got an email from Air France today apologizing for the delay and adding 1000 airmiles to my account.

They should have announced that the delay was due to a ground handling problem rather than allowing people to think there was a technical problem.


User currently offlineAOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 6464 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 21):
I got an email from Air France today apologizing for the delay and adding 1000 airmiles to my account.

Wow that's nice ! Did you have to write a complaint letter for getting those 1000 miles ?


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 6408 times:

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 22):
Did you have to write a complaint letter for getting those 1000 miles ?

Nope, the email just arrived. I'd forgottten all about the delay. If you're a member of their FF programme you'll get it too.


User currently offlinee195 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 191 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6355 times:
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We had no bird strike on JB on the 17th, but one heck of a hard landing into CDG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWjZGKlTqe8



Nikon D90 & D50 Sigma 70-300mm, 50-500 mm Lens :) oh yea Baby!
25 babybus : Unless you've been on it you can't understand what a gigantic aircraft it is. It's more like boarding an ocean going cruise liner. And with all those
26 DocLightning : Makes perfect sense. Saliva contains lysozyme, which is an enzyme that basically breaks down just about anything.
27 PlaneHunter : Yes, I got the same email. Not bad actually! Well, if they had to check the door and certain systems it was justified to refer to a technical problem
28 AOMlover : Hello, I hope I get those 1000 bonus miles as well ! No news so far, although I'm a member of FB and the miles for the CDG-LHR and LHR-CDG legs have b
29 EI787 : Flew Alpha today CDG-LHR and I can confirm that the camera is now clean!
30 atcsundevil : I could understand that, but at the same time, it is so huge it would probably land into its own ground effect like the 747. I suppose it's just a bi
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