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British Airways Accused Of Racial Discrimination  
User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8561 times:

'British Airways has been accused of racial discrimination by cabin crew, opening a new front in an industrial dispute that reaches a critical point this week as the result of a peace deal ballot is announced.

A group of BA flight attendants is claiming that the removal of discounted travel from strikers discriminates indirectly against employees based in Scotland, Ireland and mainland Europe who use the scheme to commute to and from Heathrow airport. The group, called Crew Defence, is representing 75 employees who are lodging cases with an employment tribunal in Reading and plan to sue for compensation if their claim is upheld.

The move comes as the Unite trade union prepares to announce the result of a consultative ballot on a BA peace deal on Tuesday. If cabin crew fail to back the proposal, the union is expected to poll 11,000 cabin crew over further strike action in the long-running dispute.

A Crew Defence source, which claims the group has the backing of 1,500 cabin crew, said BA's flight attendants were engaged in a "David versus Goliath" confrontation: "The fact that we have gone from zero to 1,500 in weeks shows how serious we are about this."

The source added: "The impact of the staff travel ban on crew has not been made public and it is substantial. Crew members have had to sell houses and live in digs in the UK. Despite the figures reported in the press, these people are not earning massive sums of money."

Crew Defence is bringing the cases under the 1976 Race Relations Act and has hired Russell Jones & Walker, a law firm with a strong record in race discrimination cases. The group argues that staff were actively recruited by BA in mainland Europe because the airline wanted multilingual employees on its long-haul services from Heathrow, but those who have had their staff travel removed after going on strike must now pay large sums to commute to and from the UK. Under the discounted fares scheme, BA employees receive a 90% discount on the maximum fare for a flight – a key perk for commuters.




Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2.../britishairways-theairlineindustry

Sorry if this has been posted before but I could not find anything on it.
Personally I find it a slight exaggeration, certain a push on 'racism'. After all travel to and from work is surely your problem, I mean if i choose to live 100 miles away from work there's no obligation for the company to offer me cheap travel, they choose ot live aborad therefore travel is their

But I thought i'd throw it out to you guys out there for your opinion !
Wrighbrothers

Mod edit: Do not post full articles.

[Edited 2010-07-20 15:24:15 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8443 times:

..as if this one will "fly".....seems like they are grasping at straws now...


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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Unbelievable.

I'm truly at a loss for words over this one.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5160 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8361 times:

Hmmm they didnt discriminate on race.

That would imply they took staff travel off all those who lived aborad.

I believe staff travel priviliges were removed from ALL STRIKERS regardless of where they live.

Surely it is time for this union to admit they have stuffed up and not continue these ridiculous claims?


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6441 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8328 times:

Why do strikers need staff travel to commute to work if they are striking?

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

Hilarious...especially as the head of BA isn't English either!

Of course, for all the strikers whom lose their place at the head of the queue for discounted flights, there are non strikers who directly benefit by rising up the queue for discounted flights, so they won't be complaining...



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7801 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7962 times:

How could I not have seen this! I thought they were trying to keep the higher paying customers happy so they will continue to pay higher prices, but it is really BA's hatred of Scots/Irish/Mainlanders rearing its ugly head!  


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8484 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7861 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 3):
I believe staff travel priviliges were removed from ALL STRIKERS regardless of where they live.

- Correct s I know it.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 3):
Surely it is time for this union to admit they have stuffed up and not continue these ridiculous claims?

- You would hope Unite would have realised this by now!

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 6):
BA's hatred of Scots/Irish/Mainlanders rearing its ugly head

- What a stupid comment, whyt don't you read up on this before posting something so ridiculous?



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User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

I think that comment may have been meant in sarcasm... In which case, it would be the first recorded incidence of an American confusing an Englishman with sarcasm.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8276 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7830 times:
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How can BA not give a "free" ride to cabin crew flying to LHR for work from Scotland and other places.

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7822 times:

My understanding is that it is non contractual.

Consequently, taking it away is not breach of contract.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

If these people seemingly want to bring BA down, why on earth are they working for them at all?! Nonsensical in my opinion... If they did bring down/damage the company, they would be putting ALL of their jobs on the line!

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7801 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 7):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 6):
BA's hatred of Scots/Irish/Mainlanders rearing its ugly head

- What a stupid comment, whyt don't you read up on this before posting something so ridiculous?

Re read my post. The little smiley was suggesting the opposite. It was sarcasm making fun of this line:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Thread starter):
A group of BA flight attendants is claiming that the removal of discounted travel from strikers discriminates indirectly against employees based in Scotland, Ireland and mainland Europe who use the scheme to commute to and from Heathrow airport.



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8484 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7636 times:
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 12):
Re read my post. The little smiley was suggesting the opposite. It was sarcasm making fun of this line:

- In that case, I'll let you off   - It's been a long day  



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7801 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7620 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 13):

That's fine. My humor can be a little dry at times. Sorry!



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7520 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
How can BA not give a "free" ride to cabin crew flying to LHR for work from Scotland and other places.

In the same way that they don't pay for ground staff to commute from the place they chose to live......


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7011 times:

So, if these guys are to be believed, the CEO of British Airways, who is Irish, is meant to be racist against Irish people (and Scots and Mainland Europeans)..

Something doesnt quite add up......  



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User currently offlineantonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

So they pull out the old trump card - Racial discrimination.
This is really clutching at straws now
They were warned over and over again, that they would lose their staff travel if they went on strike.
They went on strike and lost their staff travel.
What is so complicated about that for them to understand ?
Willie should just sack them all


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

Let's just hope that, having lost the case, 'Crew Defence' are landed with a hefty legal bill by BA. Might make them think before they act like a bunch of tossers next time.

This is becoming (has become!) truly hilarious and further increases BA's support from all the 'normal people' in the world.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5175 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

My step-sister is a BA cabin attendant who went on strike, despite knowing that she stood to loose her travel concessions as a consequence.She's not complaining: she knew what would happen, as did everyone else. Sure she would like to have them back, but she was faced with an either/or decision and made a deliberate choice of her on volition. She has subsequently traveled to Australia as a paying passenger on SQ (they were cheapest) but would previously have used her concessions.

I have no doubt that there are many over BA crew like her: who knew full well what would happen if they went on strike and decided that, for what ever reason, they would stand by their union as opposed to their perks. And then there's a minority who wants the best of both worlds. Tough, life's not like that.

If you're no longer able to commute, move to London. I know house prices are extortionate, but let's be honest: if you worked in any other industry would you ever consider commuting to work by air???



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

This is ridiculous. BA aren't racist. Lost baggage is an equal opportunities phenomenon.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 16):
So, if these guys are to be believed, the CEO of British Airways, who is Irish, is meant to be racist against Irish people (and Scots and Mainland Europeans)..

Obviously he's one of those turncoat West Britons.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):
if you worked in any other industry would you ever consider commuting to work by air???

Yes. North Sea workers do it. I paid my air fare though, no perks. However, I did get a hotel room for a night on the company.


User currently offlineantonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 20):
This is ridiculous. BA aren't racist. Lost baggage is an equal opportunities phenomenon.

Hey nice one


User currently offlineediCHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Considering how little I think of BA management. I think this is a non starter. No way will this be proven to be discriminatory on the grounds of race. It could be proven to be discriminatory on the grounds of place of residence, but that is not covered by the Race Relations Act 1976 and as far as I'm aware there is no such legislation that does.

Individuals who were recruited by BA, where BA were aware at that time that the prospective employee intended to commute by air using staff discounted travel, may have a case against BA but not on racial discrimination grounds.

Such employees may have grounds to claim constructive dismissal against the company, if by withdrawing this 'perk' forces an employee to resign his or her position. Constructive dismissal occurs when an employer imposes conditions upon an employee which makes their continued employment impossible thus forcing them to resign. Given that such persons did not act illegally, they would most likely have a case.

Hypothetical example... Mrs X was recruited say 3 years ago. Mrs X lives on the Costa del Sol with her husband and 2 kids. Husband runs a local business and 2 kids settled at school. Mrs X at time of recruitment indicated her desire to stay living in Andalucia. BA say "no problem, many of our staff commute" (or words to that effect).

Now that BA have withdrawn the staff travel discount for Mrs X (who remember that whether or not you agree with the strike or not, has done nothing illegal) has had her conditions of employment changed which has forced her to resign her position as she can no longer afford to commute and relocation is impractical. Crucially, whether or not staff travel discount is contractual or not may have little bearing on a constructive dismissal claim, as such claims frequently arise out of non-contractual matters.


User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

Can BA employees non-rev on flights that aren't full (BA or other airline?). I know that's not ideal for commuting to work when you have to be there on time, but it still seems like a good perk.

User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Interesting replies !

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 23):
Can BA employees non-rev on flights that aren't full (BA or other airline?). I know that's not ideal for commuting to work when you have to be there on time, but it still seems like a good perk.

Usually they can but BA have banned their staff travel so they cannot do this. As such they are just a commercial passenger and have to buy full fare tickets.

Quoting ediCHC (Reply 22):
Now that BA have withdrawn the staff travel discount for Mrs X (who remember that whether or not you agree with the strike or not, has done nothing illegal) has had her conditions of employment changed which has forced her to resign her position as she can no longer afford to commute and relocation is impractical. Crucially, whether or not staff travel discount is contractual or not may have little bearing on a constructive dismissal claim, as such claims frequently arise out of non-contractual matters

But it is a non contractual perk. As such it's not a guarenteed right and is only assumed by the employee. It is ultimately the choice of the employee where he/ she lives and as such, is not a problem of the airline. You can live anywhere you want as long as you get to work on time and the cabin crew are no different to ground staff in that respect.
Crew have to live within i beleive it's 90mins of their base, they can still do that, just they have to pay for tickets at full fare (because they will be a commercial passenger). If they cannot / will not do that, it is infact the employee breaking the contract, not BA .

Ofcourse they can still commute to work, they just have to pay full fare. This is like me demanding the company pay for my car fuel bill because i choose to live far away. Unfortunately they have become reliant on the service and now pretend to be surprised that thye cannot travel to work having lost their right to cheap flights. May I also add that part of the new deal BA have offered at the moment, include re-instating travel to an from work on cheap fares for strikers.

Wrighbrothers



Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
25 7673mech : Because they went on strike.
26 antonovman : Usually when you first start working for an airline, you need to wait 6 months before getting free or discount tickets. I assume its the same at BA. I
27 GDB : Pathetic. Truly desperate and pathetic. On a brighter note, even with BA's final offer rejected (Nice to be offered a pay-rise - what's one of those?)
28 Scotron11 : I always wondered on the real underlying issues behind this debacle. On reading about the BASSA rep living in LAX while making over £50K a year for
29 ediCHC : If this is indeed the case then no case for constructive dismissal could be made. An enforced change of employment conditions by the employer does no
30 ANstar : Presumably though they could now effectively make crew redundnat. IE The job titles are different You have Heathrow Worldwide, Heathrow Eurofleet, Pu
31 lightsaber : Yes they are. If UNITE is willing to play such a 'trump card,' they should be ready to have it explode in their face. To others: One can have a probl
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