Wrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9 Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8163 times:
'British Airways has been accused of racial discrimination by cabin crew, opening a new front in an industrial dispute that reaches a critical point this week as the result of a peace deal ballot is announced.
A group of BA flight attendants is claiming that the removal of discounted travel from strikers discriminates indirectly against employees based in Scotland, Ireland and mainland Europe who use the scheme to commute to and from Heathrow airport. The group, called Crew Defence, is representing 75 employees who are lodging cases with an employment tribunal in Reading and plan to sue for compensation if their claim is upheld.
The move comes as the Unite trade union prepares to announce the result of a consultative ballot on a BA peace deal on Tuesday. If cabin crew fail to back the proposal, the union is expected to poll 11,000 cabin crew over further strike action in the long-running dispute.
A Crew Defence source, which claims the group has the backing of 1,500 cabin crew, said BA's flight attendants were engaged in a "David versus Goliath" confrontation: "The fact that we have gone from zero to 1,500 in weeks shows how serious we are about this."
The source added: "The impact of the staff travel ban on crew has not been made public and it is substantial. Crew members have had to sell houses and live in digs in the UK. Despite the figures reported in the press, these people are not earning massive sums of money."
Crew Defence is bringing the cases under the 1976 Race Relations Act and has hired Russell Jones & Walker, a law firm with a strong record in race discrimination cases. The group argues that staff were actively recruited by BA in mainland Europe because the airline wanted multilingual employees on its long-haul services from Heathrow, but those who have had their staff travel removed after going on strike must now pay large sums to commute to and from the UK. Under the discounted fares scheme, BA employees receive a 90% discount on the maximum fare for a flight – a key perk for commuters.
Sorry if this has been posted before but I could not find anything on it.
Personally I find it a slight exaggeration, certain a push on 'racism'. After all travel to and from work is surely your problem, I mean if i choose to live 100 miles away from work there's no obligation for the company to offer me cheap travel, they choose ot live aborad therefore travel is their
But I thought i'd throw it out to you guys out there for your opinion !
Mod edit: Do not post full articles.
[Edited 2010-07-20 15:24:15 by srbmod]
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AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 1997 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7909 times:
Hilarious...especially as the head of BA isn't English either!
Of course, for all the strikers whom lose their place at the head of the queue for discounted flights, there are non strikers who directly benefit by rising up the queue for discounted flights, so they won't be complaining...
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DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 6600 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7564 times:
How could I not have seen this! I thought they were trying to keep the higher paying customers happy so they will continue to pay higher prices, but it is really BA's hatred of Scots/Irish/Mainlanders rearing its ugly head!
Vasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3808 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7294 times:
If these people seemingly want to bring BA down, why on earth are they working for them at all?! Nonsensical in my opinion... If they did bring down/damage the company, they would be putting ALL of their jobs on the line!
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 6600 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7256 times:
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 7): Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 6):
BA's hatred of Scots/Irish/Mainlanders rearing its ugly head
- What a stupid comment, whyt don't you read up on this before posting something so ridiculous?
Re read my post. The little smiley was suggesting the opposite. It was sarcasm making fun of this line:
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Thread starter): A group of BA flight attendants is claiming that the removal of discounted travel from strikers discriminates indirectly against employees based in Scotland, Ireland and mainland Europe who use the scheme to commute to and from Heathrow airport.
antonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 719 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6364 times:
So they pull out the old trump card - Racial discrimination.
This is really clutching at straws now
They were warned over and over again, that they would lose their staff travel if they went on strike.
They went on strike and lost their staff travel.
What is so complicated about that for them to understand ?
Willie should just sack them all
RyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4072 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6015 times:
My step-sister is a BA cabin attendant who went on strike, despite knowing that she stood to loose her travel concessions as a consequence.She's not complaining: she knew what would happen, as did everyone else. Sure she would like to have them back, but she was faced with an either/or decision and made a deliberate choice of her on volition. She has subsequently traveled to Australia as a paying passenger on SQ (they were cheapest) but would previously have used her concessions.
I have no doubt that there are many over BA crew like her: who knew full well what would happen if they went on strike and decided that, for what ever reason, they would stand by their union as opposed to their perks. And then there's a minority who wants the best of both worlds. Tough, life's not like that.
If you're no longer able to commute, move to London. I know house prices are extortionate, but let's be honest: if you worked in any other industry would you ever consider commuting to work by air???
ediCHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5737 times:
Considering how little I think of BA management. I think this is a non starter. No way will this be proven to be discriminatory on the grounds of race. It could be proven to be discriminatory on the grounds of place of residence, but that is not covered by the Race Relations Act 1976 and as far as I'm aware there is no such legislation that does.
Individuals who were recruited by BA, where BA were aware at that time that the prospective employee intended to commute by air using staff discounted travel, may have a case against BA but not on racial discrimination grounds.
Such employees may have grounds to claim constructive dismissal against the company, if by withdrawing this 'perk' forces an employee to resign his or her position. Constructive dismissal occurs when an employer imposes conditions upon an employee which makes their continued employment impossible thus forcing them to resign. Given that such persons did not act illegally, they would most likely have a case.
Hypothetical example... Mrs X was recruited say 3 years ago. Mrs X lives on the Costa del Sol with her husband and 2 kids. Husband runs a local business and 2 kids settled at school. Mrs X at time of recruitment indicated her desire to stay living in Andalucia. BA say "no problem, many of our staff commute" (or words to that effect).
Now that BA have withdrawn the staff travel discount for Mrs X (who remember that whether or not you agree with the strike or not, has done nothing illegal) has had her conditions of employment changed which has forced her to resign her position as she can no longer afford to commute and relocation is impractical. Crucially, whether or not staff travel discount is contractual or not may have little bearing on a constructive dismissal claim, as such claims frequently arise out of non-contractual matters.
Wrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4700 times:
Interesting replies !
Quoting bonusonus (Reply 23): Can BA employees non-rev on flights that aren't full (BA or other airline?). I know that's not ideal for commuting to work when you have to be there on time, but it still seems like a good perk.
Usually they can but BA have banned their staff travel so they cannot do this. As such they are just a commercial passenger and have to buy full fare tickets.
Quoting ediCHC (Reply 22): Now that BA have withdrawn the staff travel discount for Mrs X (who remember that whether or not you agree with the strike or not, has done nothing illegal) has had her conditions of employment changed which has forced her to resign her position as she can no longer afford to commute and relocation is impractical. Crucially, whether or not staff travel discount is contractual or not may have little bearing on a constructive dismissal claim, as such claims frequently arise out of non-contractual matters
But it is a non contractual perk. As such it's not a guarenteed right and is only assumed by the employee. It is ultimately the choice of the employee where he/ she lives and as such, is not a problem of the airline. You can live anywhere you want as long as you get to work on time and the cabin crew are no different to ground staff in that respect.
Crew have to live within i beleive it's 90mins of their base, they can still do that, just they have to pay for tickets at full fare (because they will be a commercial passenger). If they cannot / will not do that, it is infact the employee breaking the contract, not BA .
Ofcourse they can still commute to work, they just have to pay full fare. This is like me demanding the company pay for my car fuel bill because i choose to live far away. Unfortunately they have become reliant on the service and now pretend to be surprised that thye cannot travel to work having lost their right to cheap flights. May I also add that part of the new deal BA have offered at the moment, include re-instating travel to an from work on cheap fares for strikers.
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