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Flybe Order 35 + 65 Embraer 175s  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11170 times:
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Flybe have announced an order for 35 EMB 175s in addition to 65 options and a further 40 purchase rights.

Embraer Wins $1.3 Billion Order for 35 Planes From U.K.’s Flybe

July 20 (Bloomberg) -- Empresa Brasileira de Aeronautica SA, the world’s fourth-largest planemaker, won an order for 35 regional jets worth $1.3 billion at list price from Flybe, Britain’s biggest domestic airline.

The first of the 88-seat Embraer 175 aircraft will be delivered in September next year, Flybe said today in an e- mailed statement. The Exeter, England-based carrier also has options to buy a further 65 aircraft valued at $2.3 billion, together with so-called purchase rights for another 40.


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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11098 times:

Huge order for Embraer....

So are the planes to replace the Dash8?? or new additions??

It seems to big to be new additions to the airline, too much new capacity....

This order will will help them to face more competition to Ryanair and Easyjet in short routes from the UK...


User currently offlinecainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11057 times:

Holy crap! Good news for me though as the company I work for handle Flybe!


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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10985 times:
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The BE press release says they'll be operating the Q400s alongside this fleet

User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10422 times:

I expected it to only be a matter of time before Flybe ordered 170's or 175's, given that they were the European launch customer for the 195. The new aircraft will only add capacity as well, as their oldest Q400's are still (just) less than 10 years old.

Nice to see a glimmer of light for the UK aviation market as well!



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User currently offlineElbowRoom From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10405 times:

And here's some interesting stuff about Flybe's future requirements from their press release:

"We today also throw down the challenge to the regional airline manufacturers to develop a new form of jet to be available in 2017. We want manufacturers to combine the economic and environmental performance of the turboprop with the positive benefits of jet performance. Such a combination will provide the right technological platform from 2020 onwards".

http://www.flybe.com/news/1007/20.htm

Are they encouraging Embraer towards a re-engining of the E170/190 with the new NG34 from GE, for a 15% reduction in fuel consumption?

Or are they signalling that is not enough and they want something more radical?


User currently offlineextspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10287 times:

Any speculation on where they're going to use these? My money is on LGW and MAN mainly for more longer routes to the continent where the increase in speed over the Q400 would make a reasonable difference in flighttimes. I would also say that they may also order more Q400s or similar as a way of "replacing" older Q400s as even though they aren't currently problematic in terms of maintainance, older aircraft seem to be hanging around EXT much more than the newer builds. Last time I was there there were 3 on the ground - -JEDJ, -JEDM and -JEDU. I have never even seen one of the ECO* or FLB* down here.


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10242 times:

Quoting extspotter (Reply 6):
Any speculation on where they're going to use these?

The CEO was on BBC this morning and said they would be used for European expansion. They dont see any other airline with their business mocdel on the continent and want to exploit that opportunity. Sounds like continental Europe bases might be in the line up.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10219 times:
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Just about enough capacity to be ready to take over BA - Gatwick Short haul and add some limited regional growth

Suggested and viable plan move the 14 delivered E190s to Gatwick and supplement with approx 10-15 of the new 175s - Solution no need for BA to order anything new.

10 of E175s to take over the regional ops from BHX/SOU/MAN currently operated by the E190.

Balance to replace some of the Dash leases (Possibly the ex SAS planes) with a few for some new (restored BAR) longer regionals - Man/BHX -Madrid/Barcelona any one ?

OH and IB/BA buy out the remaining balance of Flybe in line with Willie's aims of expanding the merged IB/BA holding company early 2011.

All makes perfect sense.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3451 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10033 times:

Good to see the 170/75 family get a shot in the arm. Their numbers were getting bleak compared to the 190/95 family.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9982 times:

They have obviously realised they need to maintain their presence under the radar of EZ/FR etc... least they be annihilated. I did hear something about European bases a while ago, so this order would make sense.


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9884 times:
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Congrats to Embraer for getting such a big order, up to 140 aircraft if everything is taken up.

Interesting that the E175 was chosen, with 88 seats instead of 100-seat E190 (still with two FAs).

It is refreshing to see that not only A320 and B738 are the only options for low-fare carriers. One gets the impression that it is always cheaper to fly 80 pax on thinner routes with A320/B738 than have smaller aircraft that go out full. Perhaps this will buck the trend. FlyBE has been quite innovative using the Q400, boosting its credibility as an LCC aircraft, not just as a hub-feeder in North America.



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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9805 times:
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Quoting extspotter (Reply 6):
I would also say that they may also order more Q400s or similar as a way of "replacing" older Q400s as even though they aren't currently problematic in terms of maintainance, older aircraft seem to be hanging around EXT much more than the newer builds.

Almost... I went in to EXT and basically the hope is that some of the older Q400's can be palmed off to someone else as they are "young" enough to be worth something but are approaching major checks. The 175 can be used on pretty much every route the Q400 could be so a direct swap is possible. Also makes sense because BE did all the EIS checks on the BA fleet of 175/195's and therefore the infrastructure is already in place for the EIS for BE on the 175.

Quoting extspotter (Reply 6):
Last time I was there there were 3 on the ground - -JEDJ, -JEDM and -JEDU. I have never even seen one of the ECO* or FLB* down here.

Not sure about that necessarily... I flew on G-FLBB from EXT to NCL last month and caught on return to EXT was met with G-ECOE and G-ECOA. They are around, I guess it's just a case of when you turn up. I used to be in and out of EXT every day so I guess I saw more, hopefully I will be again soon.



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9778 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 8):

Or they go down the Air France route  



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User currently offlinecactus1549 From France, joined Jun 2010, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9767 times:

I think this order follows the trading partnership (codeshare) between Flybe and Air France signed this month. This partnership will take effect in late October providing 45 more links between UK and France and 17 new routes for the french pax. Next Winter UK will be french  

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9730 times:

Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 5):
And here's some interesting stuff about Flybe's future requirements from their press release:

"We today also throw down the challenge to the regional airline manufacturers to develop a new form of jet to be available in 2017. We want manufacturers to combine the economic and environmental performance of the turboprop with the positive benefits of jet performance. Such a combination will provide the right technological platform from 2020 onwards".

http://www.flybe.com/news/1007/20.htm

Are they encouraging Embraer towards a re-engining of the E170/190 with the new NG34 from GE, for a 15% reduction in fuel consumption?

Or are they signalling that is not enough and they want something more radical?

Easyjet has said similar things over the last couple of years, preparing to sacrifice a small amount of speed for significant fuel savings



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User currently offlinebmiEMA19 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

Does anybody know when and where they're going to be flying out of East Midlands (EMA)? It's been known for quite a while that they've obtained slots there but they never seem to announce anything. EMA is just about the last main UK airport the Flybe don't have any service at all.

User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

Quoting bmiEMA19 (Reply 16):
EMA is just about the last main UK airport the Flybe don't have any service at all.

Why would they? They've a massive base just down the road at BHX?



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User currently offlinebmiEMA19 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9432 times:

Well there's several airports in the UK where Flybe service yet are just as close as EMA-BHX are. For example NCL-LBA, GLA-EDI, LGW-SOU, EXT-CWL...

User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9300 times:
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Quoting gkirk (Reply 17):
Quoting bmiEMA19 (Reply 16):
EMA is just about the last main UK airport the Flybe don't have any service at all.

Why would they? They've a massive base just down the road at BHX?

Because as mentioned before, Flybe have obtained slots there but aren't really using them.

Quoting bmiEMA19 (Reply 18):
Well there's several airports in the UK where Flybe service yet are just as close as EMA-BHX are. For example NCL-LBA, GLA-EDI, LGW-SOU, EXT-CWL...

I'd agree with most of those, but it takes best part of 2 hours to drive from EXT to CWL so wouldn't put them in the same bracket. EXT and BRS maybe...



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User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9198 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):

Embraer Wins $1.3 Billion Order for 35 Planes From U.K.’s Flybe

Such a shame, and so short-sighted for the UK and BAe gave up producing regional airliners in places like Hurn, Hatfield and Woodford!


User currently offlinebmiEMA19 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9121 times:

Well let's just hope one day they decide to add service at EMA. Would give WW and FR a run for their money!

User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9016 times:

What routes from EMA could be served that aren't already served by Ryanair or bmi baby?


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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8922 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):
They dont see any other airline with their business mocdel on the continent and want to exploit that opportunity. Sounds like continental Europe bases might be in the line up

Aren't they a regular low cost airline? Why is their business different?


Still, amazing news!!!
I guess this is the first order at the show which wasn't mentioned before? I mean like SU mentioned their potential order before or BA with their 787's...


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8263 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 23):
Aren't they a regular low cost airline? Why is their business different?

They seems to stay off the main trunk routes and go for smaller regional routes that could use the competition... just look where they fly on their route map.


25 kaitak : I'm really delighted to hear about this order; I live in Jersey (Channel Islands) and of course, BE is the No1 carrier here; no doubt these aircraft w
26 GSTBA : I reckon the E175's will firstly be deployed as a service upgrade on flights from BHX to Germany, MAN to BRU, DUS, FRA and MXP and LGW to DUS, IOM, LB
27 willd : I am really happy with this news. Its great for both Embraer and BE. It is a logical step to go for the 175's and will be interesting to see where the
28 Post contains links overcast : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-10698195 It also looks like BE want to bring back Jet service to GCI-LGW. Interesting they mention tha
29 mainMAN : I've never been on a 170-190 nor a 146/RJ! (although I fully intend to before they're phased out). I was referring to what I perceive to be a huge mi
30 david_itl : A two engined RJX may have been a worthy competitor, but BAe chose to go the "safe" route of sticking to 4 engines.
31 Post contains links david_itl : Slight alteration to the delivery schedule. The 1st one is being delivered in Spring to operate GCI-LGW.
32 CRJ900 : Is it surprising that they have ordered only the E175 and not more E195s? I assume that they can take some of them as E195 later, but as they did not
33 PlymSpotter : I get the feeling it's not too big, it's just that on many routes where it can be used there tends to be the unwanted option of having FR or EZY as c
34 A342 : Am I the only one who isn't all that cheerful about this order? I feel an 88-seat regional jet might erode their cost base. Not massively, but CASM mu
35 bjorn14 : I'm sure EMB gave them the option to upgrade as they did with Republic's 24 190s.
36 PlymSpotter : I think, if rumors are to be believed surrounding this order, it was done so on the basis that Embraer could offer an aircraft with economics compara
37 alangirvan : This was a missed opportunity, but by Shorts, not BAE. It was Shorts in the mid 80s who came up with an artists impression of a 44 seater Regional Je
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