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BA 744 Back From Storage!  
User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17752 times:

On July 14th BA ferried the first 744 (BNLV) back from storage in VCV. I hope more come out of storage soon, as it is a shame to see those beauties baking in the desert!
Apologies if this has been mentioned, but I ran a quick search and found nothing.


Speedbird741


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17581 times:

It´s nice that this 747 is coming back. I had reported it here last week already though.

The BA 744s which have been parked (a few of which, like G-BNLC, wont fly again) have relatively low flight hours, much less than the LH 744s of the same age. I wonder, if BA unlike LH didnt choose the life extension option which enables the 744 to fly 120.000 hours (then a special strenghtening maintenance is required if the operator wants to fly it even longer).
I asked this question before, there must be someone from BA here who could answer it.


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17273 times:

stupid question, Do they fly straight from the Californian desert on a ferry flight, or do they ferry to LAX and/or SFO, pick up a load of passengers and fly back to London full??

I'm asking because a 13 hr ferry-flight on a 747, that's got to be expensive


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17219 times:

Fingers crossed i get one of the grand old ladies SIN-LHR on 1st August!


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17199 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 2):
I'm asking because a 13 hr ferry-flight on a 747, that's got to be expensive

Not too bad when your only using 3 engines 



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User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17014 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 2):

Other issues aside, I am pretty sure these aircraft have their cabins stripped, so yes they fly empty to CWL.


Speedbird741



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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16886 times:

They look like they're in really good shape (from the outside)


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Quoting gkirk (Reply 4):
Not too bad when your only using 3 engines


ouch, I remember that


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16882 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 2):
stupid question, Do they fly straight from the Californian desert on a ferry flight, or do they ferry to LAX and/or SFO, pick up a load of passengers and fly back to London full??

The aircrafts will need checks to be done (although airworthy BA will want to make sure they are 100%) before flying passengers.
The aircrafts are flown to CWL where British Airways Maintenance Cardiff will do the checks and then refit interiors if they have been removed, or 'brush up' seats which may have remained in the aircraft in storage.
Finally they may need to be repainted (although i doubt it) and only then will they re enter service.

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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16686 times:

Quoting na (Reply 1):
The BA 744s which have been parked (a few of which, like G-BNLC, wont fly again)


Not strictly true. G-BNLC and 'LB were ferried to CWL for storage in October and November 2008 respectively. When BA took delivery of four new 772s in the summer of 2009 the 2nd generation lie-flat J Class seats installed in 'LC and 'LB were removed and installed in the new aircraft.

With two of the six BA 744s that were subsequently parked at VCV due to return to service soon, the two aircraft at CWL will certainly fly again. BA have already announced that the two aircraft will fly again. They are due to be ferried to VCV for further storage.

While it is very unlikely that they will ever reenter service for BA, it is possible.

At the BA Investors' Day Meeting in May BA showed a chart of their long haul fleet plans out to 2016. This showed the return to service of two 744s in the third quarter of 2010-11. It also showed an option of returning all six of the remaining parked 744s to service but only if demand warranted. However there is little doubt that 'LC and 'LB will never return to service unless the other four parked-up 744s have been returned to service before them. They are at the back of the queue.

What could act as a catalyst for these two aircraft to resume revenue fligfhts for BA? I guess one possibility would be any further delays in the delivery of the 787s on order.

A final point. 'LC and 'LB are still carrying BA's full livery and titles (as are all the other six out-of-service BA 744s). To date all aircraft that have been parked up before by BA that have retained the full livery and titles have always been eventually returned to service. All aircraft that have later proved to be permanently retired have always had their titles and logos removed before they were parked in the desert. But the current appearence of the parked-up aircraft is only an indication of the option that they may be returned to service. It is not a statement that they will be.

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 2):
Do they fly straight from the Californian desert on a ferry flight,


Yes. They will be flown to CWL for maintenance. I do not think it would be reasonable to return an aircraft to service at, for example, LAX without thoroughly checking it out first. It would be costly for these checks to be carried out by a third party in the USA when BA have already paid for the staff and facilities that could carry them out in the UK.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7128 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15974 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 8):
It would be costly for these checks to be carried out by a third party in the USA when BA have already paid for the staff and facilities that could carry them out in the UK.

And this would undoubtedly be far more expensive than a ferry flight.



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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 15440 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 8):
Yes. They will be flown to CWL for maintenance. I do not think it would be reasonable to return an aircraft to service at, for example, LAX without thoroughly checking it out first. It would be costly for these checks to be carried out by a third party in the USA when BA have already paid for the staff and facilities that could carry them out in the UK.

Thanks that's what I asking, having them checked in California by a third party and put right to work, or ferry to london....I fugure ferrying them back to London for all the checks would be cheaper


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 15055 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 8):
With two of the six BA 744s that were subsequently parked at VCV due to return to service soon, the two aircraft at CWL will certainly fly again. BA have already announced that the two aircraft will fly again. They are due to be ferried to VCV for further storage

There are 2 in storage at CWL, due to fly to VCV for further storage, yet they are ferrying one back from VCV now?

Are the ones at CWL due for heavier checks? More hours?

M


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 10):
There are 2 in storage at CWL, due to fly to VCV for further storage, yet they are ferrying one back from VCV now?

Are the ones at CWL due for heavier checks? More hours?

The two at CWL, G-BNLC and 'LB, have had their J Class cabins gutted and the seats from that cabin installed in the four new 772s delivered to BA last summer. The six that were or still are parked at VCV are all complete and do not beed to be fitted with new costly lie-flat seats before they are returned to service..


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11054 times:
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Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 6):
They look like they're in really good shape (from the outside)

It is sad to see so many B747's parked in that picture but it is fantastic news to hear that at least one of them will be returned to where she belongs, the sky. There is no more graceful sight in aviation than a B747 on finals with those huge full flaps extended and that massive landing gear down.



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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10716 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 13):
It is sad to see so many B747's parked in that picture but it is fantastic news to hear that at least one of them will be returned to where she belongs, the sky.

I believe that G-BNLU will follow G-BNLV first to CWL and then back into service. So that will be two back in the sky. Hopefully others will follow, but that is less likely.


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10505 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 12):
The two at CWL, G-BNLC and 'LB, have had their J Class cabins gutted and the seats from that cabin installed in the four new 772s delivered to BA last summer. The six that were or still are parked at VCV are all complete and do not beed to be fitted with new costly lie-flat seats before they are returned to service

Thanks for the info!

M


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4466 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8901 times:

What's the likelihood that G-BNLH will grace the skies again on behalf of British Airways? If not, is there a chance it will be sold/leased to a third party?


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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5706 times:
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Quoting CX747 (Reply 16):
What's the likelihood that G-BNLH will grace the skies again on behalf of British Airways? If not, is there a chance it will be sold/leased to a third party?

a roller powered 744 probably has less appeal in the overral market these days than a GE/pratt one except to certain customers eg if CX are willing to pick up ex SQ pratt planes in recent years, some good condition rolls powered ones may be of use to them


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5184 times:

Great to know BNLV is back, the first 747 I've ever flown on. Just weeks after flight on BOAE...

User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting RIX (Reply 18):
Great to know BNLV is back,

By the way, it is back in the UK, not in service.
It is parked at CWL until Nov waiting for a hangar slot for a D check, and will be flying again in Dec.
It was flown back now because of some calendar time sensitive checks that will expire before Nov.


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