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LAN Signs Tentative Deal For 50 A320s  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8735 times:

Chilean carrier LAN Airlines S.A. has signed a tentative agreement for 50 Airbus A320-family aircraft.

"Airbus says the agreement includes 10 Airbus A321s, which LAN has not previously operated."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-tentative-deal-for-50-a320s.html

"The Memorandum of Understanding - signed today at the Farnborough International Airshow - will be the largest single airline order for Airbus in Latin America and brings LAN’s total Airbus orders to 152 aircraft."

Ignacio Cueto, LAN Airlines' Chief Operating Officer, commented: “We confirm our commitment to the development of commercial aviation in Latin America, incorporating the best technology and offering our customers one of the world’s most modern fleets. We continue investing in order to contribute to the economic growth and social development of the countries in the region.”

http://event.airbus.com/airshows/far...g-for-50-a320-family-aircraft.html

[Edited 2010-07-20 04:54:49]

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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8704 times:
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Good to see a new A321 operator, will the 10 A321s be fitted with 'sharklets'?

Regards



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User currently offlinefelipemia89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8677 times:

I wonder why they never have thought of Boeing 737 next generation planes?

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8608 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
Airbus says the agreement includes 10 Airbus A321s, which LAN has not previously operated

When delivered that will add LAN to the exclusive group (that I think only contains BA and AF at the moment) of operating the full-house of A318, A319, A320 and A321 


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8607 times:

Congrats to LAN, I've been reading the latest Farnborough news, airlines ordering aircraft left and right. Seems like the world economic recession is coming to an end

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8551 times:

As the others have said, congratulations to LAN on ordering such a fine aircraft 

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8528 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 3):
When delivered that will add LAN to the exclusive group (that I think only contains BA and AF at the moment) of operating the full-house of A318, A319, A320 and A321 

LAN also operates the A340-300s. They A343s will eventually be replaced with the Boeing 787-9s.


User currently offlineogre727 From UK - England, joined Feb 2005, 726 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8502 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
LAN also operates the A340-300s. They A343s will eventually be replaced with the Boeing 787-9s.

I thought this was not the case? and that they will always need them to fly to Australia? (etops...)



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8404 times:

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 7):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
LAN also operates the A340-300s. They A343s will eventually be replaced with the Boeing 787-9s.

I thought this was not the case? and that they will always need them to fly to Australia? (etops...)

It is the case and the A340-300s will indeed be phased out during 2014.


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
LAN also operates the A340-300s. They A343s will eventually be replaced with the Boeing 787-9s.

That's what I'm wondering, does the 787-9 have the ETOPS capability to fly SCL-SYD?? what about capacity on high density routes like MAD, and MIA? I'm sure they could easily fill a 777 on those routes... I still think the 777 would've worked better for LAN, but I'm sure LAN's CEO had his reasons for going with the 787-9


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 9):
That's what I'm wondering, does the 787-9 have the ETOPS capability to fly SCL-SYD?? what about capacity on high density routes like MAD, and MIA?

Of course; that's why LAN ordered the 787-9s; also keep in mind that the A343s are aging. The B787s will eventually replace the B763s. The B787s will be used system-wide; including long-haul routes, and even regional routes, e.g. SCL-EZE-SCL, etc.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8262 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):
Of course; that's why LAN ordered the 787-9s; also keep in mind that the A343s are aging.

SCL767 is right, the 787 will replace their A343 as these aircraft are aging. The 787-9 capabilities make new thinner ultra longhaul flights possible. The 787 will become a fantastic aircraft and I would love to fly that bird one day.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8164 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
SCL767 is right, the 787 will replace their A343 as these aircraft are aging. The 787-9 capabilities make new thinner ultra longhaul flights possible.

That's correct; for example the B787-9s will enable LAN to fly routes such as SCL-CDG, SCL-FRA, and SCL-LHR non-stop. Also, by 2013, LAN will phase out all A318s from the fleet.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8022 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 3):
When delivered that will add LAN to the exclusive group (that I think only contains BA and AF at the moment) of operating the full-house of A318, A319, A320 and A321

Actually, it depends on the timing of the deliveries of the A321's. While they will start to take delivery of new aircraft from this order in 2012, the A318's are to be sold between 2011 and 2013. But I suppose you could count them as an airline which will have operated all four at some point.

I suspect Airbus has agreed to facilitate the sale of the A318's in order to help grease the wheels for this deal.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7949 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
Actually, it depends on the timing of the deliveries of the A321's. While they will start to take delivery of new aircraft from this order in 2012, the A318's are to be sold between 2011 and 2013. But I suppose you could count them as an airline which will have operated all four at some point.

Next year, LAN will take delivery of 15 A32S family a/c, (previous order). Also, the A321s will be utilized on regional routes within South America and will be equipped with CFM56-5B engines.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

It might be hard to see PW powered A318s, even BA, an IAE customer on it's A320 type aircraft specified CFMs for its LCY A318s. Indeed, does any other airline operate the PW6000?


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

"LAN Airlines is to sell its 15 Airbus A318s as part of a fleet modernisation which includes dozens more A320-family jets."
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...orough-lan-to-sell-a318-fleet.html


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7744 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 16):
"LAN Airlines is to sell its 15 Airbus A318s as part of a fleet modernisation which includes dozens more A320-family jets."
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html

Nice, they must be in pretty good condition. The next question is who will be interested in this rare bird. Maybe the Chilean local airline Sky Airline who recently took delivery of their first A320?

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
The next question is who will be interested in this rare bird.

Maybe MX...


User currently offlineAirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7629 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
The next question is who will be interested in this rare bird

maybe a scrap yard?

It is sad to see the 318 go...but they aren't money makers.

Does anyone know if this order is all for replacing older aircraft, or is some of it for growth?

Either way, congards to both LAN and Airbus!



Cheers;
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7625 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
Maybe MX...

Yes, that's another option, don't know how satisfied they are with their A318's but I haven't heard bad things coming from them about these small baby buses. F9 is also disposing of all their A318's, correct? One has been parted out already as far as I know. Another option might be to sell the aircraft to private entities or business people who can convert those A318's to ACJ's if such a conversion program exists?

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7648 times:

Quoting AirCanadaA330 (Reply 19):
Does anyone know if this order is all for replacing older aircraft, or is some of it for growth?

The previous order is intended to replace the older A32S family a/c, including the A318s:

"LAN Airlines S.A. and its subsidiaries, (“LAN” or “the Company”) (NYSE: LFL / IPSA: LAN), one of the leading airlines in Latin America, announced today that the Company signed a contract for the purchase of 30 modern Airbus A320 family aircraft to be delivered between 2011 and 2016."

"The new aircraft will operate flights within Latin America as well as domestic routes in Argentina, Peru, Ecuador and Chile and will be used for the renewal and growth of the Company’s short haul fleet. The order is valued at approximately US$1,972 million according to list prices. In addition to this purchase, LAN’s strategic fleet renewal plan involves the sale of five Airbus A318 aircraft in 2011."
http://www.lan.com/en_us/about_us/noticias/20091223_airbus_a320.html


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7611 times:

Here is LAN's Press Release in regards to today's order:

"LAN AIRLINES to incorporate 50 new airbus A320 family aircraft for regional and domestic operations":

"LAN Airlines S.A. and its subsidiaries, ("LAN" or "the Company") (NYSE: LFL / IPSA: LAN), one of the leading airlines in Latin America, announced today that the Company signed an agreement for the purchase of 50 modern Airbus A320 family aircraft to be delivered between 2012 and 2016."

"The new aircraft will operate regional and domestic flights within Latin America. This order includes Airbus A319s and A320s as well as, for the first time, the Airbus A321 which has a capacity for approximately 210 passengers. The order is valued at approximately US$4,150 million according to list prices. Additionally, LAN’s strategic fleet renewal plan now involves the sale of its 15 Airbus A318s between 2011 and 2013. The Company also announced it has ordered CFM56-5B engines to power its Airbus A320 family fleet deliveries starting in 2011."
http://www.lan.com/en_us/about_us/in...20102007_lan_incrementa_flota.html


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7541 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 20):
Another option might be to sell the aircraft to private entities or business people who can convert those A318's to ACJ's if such a conversion program exists?

If the price is right. Otherwise.....

Quoting AirCanadaA330 (Reply 19):
maybe a scrap yard?
Quoting A388 (Reply 20):
One has been parted out already as far as I know.



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7486 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 23):
Quoting A388 (Reply 20):
One has been parted out already as far as I know.

Currently, 12 A318s are operating in Chile and 3 A318s are operating in Ecuador.


25 ADent : Looks like that is the entire fleet of PW6000s flying. There was one other A318 built & flown with PW6000s (the demonstrator). It was built with P
26 airbazar : No, which leads me to believe that they will probably operate LIM-SYD instead where ETOPS is not much of an issue.
27 SCL767 : NOPE! SCL-AKL/SYD is not going anywhere! This is a highly profitable route! Also, the A318 will operate to/from the Galápagos, with a daily frequenc
28 alwaysontherun : And the GYE-CUE route? Why did you wonder about that? Their narrow bodies are Airbus and they obviously like them..........why change now and lose th
29 AirbusA6 : Aren't their existing A320s V2500 powered, so this is a surprising swap. Not only does it make them one of the few airlines to have operated the A318
30 SCL767 : Yes, the A318s are deployed on domestic routes in Ecuador: UIO-GYE-UIO 56x weekly, UIO-CUE-UIO daily, GYE-CUE-GYE daily, and soon GYE-GPS-GYE daily.
31 troest : Would it be possible that some of these a320's would go to LAN Colombia?
32 A388 : Besides the route's profitability or not, I take it that LAN didn't order the 787-900 if it wasn't able to fly SCL-SYD nonstop or without limitations
33 SCL767 : Yes, since LAN Airlines currently has 80 Airbus a/c on order, all existing LAN affiliates will receive new a/c. This includes its new subsidiary in C
34 AA1818 : So they anticipate the 787-9 receiving the ETOPS approvals necessary to operates such a route? AA1818
35 airbazar : SCL-SYD with a huge detour to get around ETOPS, and strong head winds, I have my doubts. SCL-AKL-SYD is more likely.
36 ghost77 : If leased ultra cheap to MX, they might take them! g77
37 SCL767 : That's correct. I do not think that LAN's management would order the B787-9s if the a/c could not obtain the ETOPS approvals necessary to fly one of
38 Post contains images Gonzalo : Maybe Frontier ? That sounds logic.... let's see. Rgds. G.
39 A388 : Agreed, I was referring to the earlier mentioned LIM-SYD routing. What's the closest diversion airport if SCL-SYD would be operated nonstop? With ETO
40 SCL767 : Depends on the routing. It should be noted that in 1974, LAN Chile operated non-stop between PUQ and SYD, marking the first non-stop flight over the
41 bonusonus : There was talk at one point of ETOPS certification in the future as high as 330 minutes. It seems like the 787 would be a very appropriate candidate f
42 Post contains links and images motorhussy : What makes you think they hadn't? They just chose the Airbus product instead as obviously it was, overall, the most compelling offer. Maybe LA have t
43 SCL767 : That is correct; also the current A320s are V2500 powered. The reason that LAN opted for the CFM56-5B engines is due to some of LAN's future routes.
44 Aesma : And some of them had 737 classic/jurassic and still switched to airbus.
45 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN Airlines S.A. plans on operating a fleet of 206 aircraft by 2016: By 2016, LAN's fleet of passenger aircraft will increase to 191 frames; alongsid
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