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Air PACIFIC-BIGGEST Loss Ever!  
User currently offlinethefuture From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=106713

Air Pacific reported last week a net loss of FJD65.3 million for the year to March, a marked contrast to the FJD12.5 million loss from a year earlier.

(APPROX AUD$37.4 M & AUD$7.2 M RESP)

Qantas would like to sell their 46.3% share, but what would it now be worth ?

Anything at all ?

$1 ?

With 46.3% of shares, wouldn't that mean virtual control, as Fiji govt who own 51% probably don't know much about how to run a successful/profitable airline.

Say successful, as seemingly FJ sole purpose is to get tourists to Fiji (& keep Fijians emplyed both at airline & tourism businesses, not to make a profit - to break even would be nice though)

If QF does control FJ, wouldn't it be better to make FJ into an LCC & hub everything through NAN, for example, flights arrive at NAN from BNE, SYD, MEL, AKL & CHC at roughly the same time connecting with NAN/LAX & possibly NAN/HNL & possibly NAN/YVR services (not suggesting these last 3 services ex NAN be daily) much like NZ does thru AKL.

With NAN/LAX being some 3 hours shorter than AUSTRALIA/LAX they could surely jam more seats on their 744's, for example, get rid of business class, make current Y class upstairs Premium economy & probably then get 500 or more seats on aircraft.

[Edited 2010-07-21 03:24:45]

[Edited 2010-07-21 03:26:53]

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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6548 times:

The current political situation in Fiji is not beniffiting them. With DJ and JQ also trying to get in on the action to NAN this really can not be good either. QF want to offload, and in the meantime are using JQ as their preferred option there, instead of trying to build FJ more.

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Kiwis have stopped travelling to NAN - instead they are going to RAR and APW for tropical holidays. Their fleet is small and diverse, another issue.

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6707 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Quoting thefuture (Thread starter):
If QF does control FJ, wouldn't it be better to make FJ into an LCC & hub everything through NAN, for example, flights arrive at NAN from BNE, SYD, MEL, AKL & CHC at roughly the same time connecting with NAN/LAX & possibly NAN/HNL & possibly NAN/YVR services (not suggesting these last 3 services ex NAN be daily) much like NZ does thru AKL.

In order to use NAN as an LCC hub, FJ would actually need to be an LCC, and with the likely feather-bedding that's common among nominally state-controlled carriers, their operating costs probably aren't all that low. Additionally, any low-fare service provided by FJ between Australia and LAX/HNL would compete with QF's existing service, so some of the passengers they'd be attracting to FJ with low fares might have traveled with QF instead.

Quoting thefuture (Thread starter):
With 46.3% of shares, wouldn't that mean virtual control, as Fiji govt who own 51% probably don't know much about how to run a successful/profitable airline.

It's likely not enough control to fix some of the structural problems -- like plum jobs for the politically well-connected. And it doesn't allow them to drop service which the government might want them to operate to promote tourism to the Fiji Islands.


User currently offlinethefuture From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
In order to use NAN as an LCC hub, FJ would actually need to be an LCC, and with the likely feather-bedding that's common among nominally state-controlled carriers, their operating costs probably aren't all that low. Additionally, any low-fare service provided by FJ between Australia and LAX/HNL would compete with QF's existing service, so some of the passengers they'd be attracting to FJ with low fares might have traveled with QF instead.

Quoting thefuture (Thread starter):
With 46.3% of shares, wouldn't that mean virtual control, as Fiji govt who own 51% probably don't know much about how to run a successful/profitable airline.

It's likely not enough control to fix some of the structural problems -- like plum jobs for the politically well-connected. And it doesn't allow them to drop service which the government might want them to operate to promote tourism to the Fiji Islands.

Maybe new guy running FJ will give it a shake up.

Think he's from an LCC backgrround.

It seems Australia & NZL to Fiji are selling well, (even if only breaking even, with DJ & JQ on Aust/Fiji routes) but Fiji/LA flights seem to be suffering from the big fare war between Australia & USA. With especially DL, UA, VA dumping seats to LA return for around the AUD$1000, FJ are no longer the cheapest way to LA (traditionally, FJ were cheapest direct service between SYD/LAX, apart form some much longer transit time options via Asia.

Perhaps FJ should put their sole 7673ER on NAN/LAX once or twice a week, llike NZ used to do a few years ago.

This might free up 1 of their 744's to do other things, without affecting frequency.

Apparently VA are pulling their 777 off SYD/NAN route & it will revert to DJ 737's, but DJ have a timing advantage over FJ, with flights originating in Australia rather than NAN.

If people had a choice of departure time ex Australia (on same carrier with no other difference) earliest departure with daylight arrival in Fiji would be most preferable. Virtually all FJ flights ex BNE & SYD arrive NAN between 1700 & 1900, whereas DJ/VA flights ex BNE & ex SYD arrive between 1400 & 1510.

Must be some way that FJ can have earlier departures out of BNE, SYD & MEL without having to overnight crew at these cities.

Could FJ base some crews in OZ ?

Think BI used to base some crews in OZ ?

Why does the SYD/NAN/LAX direct service aircraft have to sit at NAN for 3 1/2 hours ? Is this determined by slot times at LAX ?

Surely would be much better to spend 90 minutes at NAN only as per tunraround time for the 744 at much busier SYD ?

FJ's arrival time into LAX is too late for many east bound connections, although wonder how many of FJ's passengers don't go far beyond LA ?

[Edited 2010-07-21 15:41:32]

Politics in Fiji doesn't seem toaffect tourist numbers much, OR if it does, imagine how Fiji would be booming if they would stop expelling diplomats ?

http://www.etravelblackboard.co.nz/article.asp?id=71166&nav=13

Fiji's New Zealand visitor growth continues upwards trend Friday, 23 July 2010

roughly19-22% increase !!!


[Edited 2010-07-21 16:26:21]

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Air Pacific has a couple of problems, apart from the politics.

The Australia/NZ-NAN market is of course perfect for LCC-style operations, because the flights are short and the passengers are price-sensitive.

But the opposite is true of the NAN-LAX sector. The passengers are flying a ten and a half hour sector - often after a domestic sector to get to LAX - and have chosen to fly past Mexico and Hawaii to a more expensive vacation in Fiji.

Those passengers will not tolerate a high-density low-service model, they require full-service and it had better be good.

I think that the NAN-LAX flight is working the wrong way round. Air NZ and QF are codesharing on it and letting FJ operate it.

It would be far, far better for the Fiji government to allow FJ to revert to being a narrow-body carrier to BNE, AKL, MEL and SYD and to contract Air New Zealand to fly their NAN-LAX and NAN-NRT services, with the Fiji government underwriting it just as the Cook islands government underwrites RAR-LAX.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 5):
I think that the NAN-LAX flight is working the wrong way round. Air NZ and QF are codesharing on it and letting FJ operate it.

It would be far, far better for the Fiji government to allow FJ to revert to being a narrow-body carrier to BNE, AKL, MEL and SYD and to contract Air New Zealand to fly their NAN-LAX and NAN-NRT services, with the Fiji government underwriting it just as the Cook islands government underwrites RAR-LAX.

I can not see QF or NZ wanting to operate NAN-LAX or NAN-NRT with their own metal. The routes are marginal at best and with QF wanting to sell out of FJ, I would suspect they want to make a quick exit. NZ also are unlikely to want to fly it, for reasons of supporting the political powers there and the fact that they are unlikely to make a profit either on the services.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24996 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4960 times:
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Quoting thefuture (Thread starter):
With 46.3% of shares, wouldn't that mean virtual control, as Fiji govt who own 51% probably don't know much about how to run a successful/profitable airline.

46.3% gives Qantas a voice, even a loud one, but does not give Qantas control, virtual or otherwise.

mariner



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 6):
I can not see QF or NZ wanting to operate NAN-LAX or NAN-NRT with their own metal. The routes are marginal at best and with QF wanting to sell out of FJ, I would suspect they want to make a quick exit. NZ also are unlikely to want to fly it, for reasons of supporting the political powers there and the fact that they are unlikely to make a profit either on the services.

I've demonstrated on a different thread that Air NZ's Shanghai loads are comical and that their yields are even lower, while their Beijing loads and yields are so low that Expert Flyer can't show any subclass occupancy at all.

In addition, they have made a mini-industry out of operating flights for the governments of Samoa (APW-LAX), Tonga (TBU-APW-LAX), the Cook Islands (RAR-LAX) and Niue (IUE-AKL) and getting those governments to indemnify them against any loss, so that the flights become zero-risk ventures.

I am suggesting that the Fiji government probably doesn't like underwriting $60 million+ losses and might prefer to enter a similar deal with Air NZ for them to operate NAN-NRT (which they did until several years ago when Fiji removed their traffic rights) and NAN-LAX.

And from Air NZ's point of view, their own AKL-NRT and AKL-KIX services have been deeply troubled - and the other two Japan destinations have been axed - and endure only because the NZ government needs to maintain inbound tourism from Japan. If Air NZ could return to the old AKL-NAN-NRT route, with the Fiji government underwriting the NAN-NRT sector, one of Air NZ's biggest problems would go away.

[Edited 2010-07-21 21:06:26]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Quoting thefuture (Reply 4):
by slot times at LAX ?

No such animal here.
You are free to come and go as you wish and for international flights abide within 0600-0000 window for immigration and customs availability.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 8):
I am suggesting that the Fiji government probably doesn't like underwriting $60 million+ losses and might prefer to enter a similar deal with Air NZ for them to operate NAN-NRT (which they did until several years ago when Fiji removed their traffic rights) and NAN-LAX.

And from Air NZ's point of view, their own AKL-NRT and AKL-KIX services have been deeply troubled - and the other two Japan destinations have been axed - and endure only because the NZ government needs to maintain inbound tourism from Japan. If Air NZ could return to the old AKL-NAN-NRT route, with the Fiji government underwriting the NAN-NRT sector, one of Air NZ's biggest problems would go away.

The issue is that NZ can not be seen to be doing business with the Fijian Govt at present. It is a real hot pot of relations, so even if they wanted to, it would be a difficult one for Air NZ to pull off.

Why are Air NZ's services throughout Asia struggling so much? It must be a real concern that markets they put so much into are stagnating.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24996 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4651 times:
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Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):
Why are Air NZ's services throughout Asia struggling so much? It must be a real concern that markets they put so much into are stagnating.

Not that it has anything to do with this thread, but there are differing opinions as to whether they are actually "stagnating" or not.

This thread has some of those different opinions:

New Zealand Aviation Thread #79 (by 777ER Jul 5 2010 in Civil Aviation)

mariner



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting thefuture (Thread starter):
With NAN/LAX being some 3 hours shorter than AUSTRALIA/LAX they could surely jam more seats on their 744's, for example, get rid of business class, make current Y class upstairs Premium economy & probably then get 500 or more seats on aircraft.

FJ loads are not hot as is. In 2009 they average a mere 70.7% LF, and year to date in 2010 they are averaging 71.4% on a reduced flight schedule.

They dont need the seats.

Quoting thefuture (Reply 4):
Perhaps FJ should put their sole 7673ER on NAN/LAX once or twice a week, llike NZ used to do a few years ago.

Makes sense to me.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 11):
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):
Why are Air NZ's services throughout Asia struggling so much? It must be a real concern that markets they put so much into are stagnating.

Not that it has anything to do with this thread, but there are differing opinions as to whether they are actually "stagnating" or not.

You will see from the link that Mariner has supplied that those of us who follow Air NZ's fortunes are divided on the viability of the China routes between those of us who

a) Use Expert Flyer and NZ's reluctance to ever publish performance figures for the PVG and PEK routes to conclude that they are commercial disasters sustained only by government pressure for inbound tourism and possibly kickbacks from the crewing agency,

and

b) Those who have flown to PVG on a full flight during the school holidays, and extrapolate that the route is a raging success.

There is a deeper problem here which is significant for Air Pacific, Air Tahiti Nui, Air Calin and Air New Zealand. For each of those carriers, China and Japan are markets for inbound leisure passengers and a few outbound low-yield VFRs, and the number of business travellers is inconsequential. This is the mirror image of what you see with flights from Europe to China and Japan, which are basically outbound business flights.

I continue to advocate for consolidation between NZ, FJ, SB and TN, with all China and Japan flights being routed via a single Southwestern Pacific hub, whether it is Nadi or Noumea. Until that happens, we will have four airlines duplicating unsuccessful routes from China and Japan because each government has a political imperative to try to grow inbound leisure travel from Japan and China.


User currently offlinethefuture From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 8):
NAN-NRT

NAN/NRT hasn't been operated by FJ either for a while now.

NAN/HKG instead.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
Quoting thefuture (Reply 4):
by slot times at LAX ?

No such animal here.
You are free to come and go as you wish and for international flights abide within 0600-0000 window for immigration and customs availability.

Ok, then surely FJ would be better operating NAN/LAX flights out of NAN at ~2020 of instead of current 2220 ? So 744 only sits at NAN for minimal time, which is proably 90 minutes, after arriving from SYD.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Quoting thefuture (Thread starter):
With NAN/LAX being some 3 hours shorter than AUSTRALIA/LAX they could surely jam more seats on their 744's, for example, get rid of business class, make current Y class upstairs Premium economy & probably then get 500 or more seats on aircraft.

FJ loads are not hot as is. In 2009 they average a mere 70.7% LF, and year to date in 2010 they are averaging 71.4% on a reduced flight schedule.

They dont need the seats.

Quoting thefuture (Reply 4):
Perhaps FJ should put their sole 7673ER on NAN/LAX once or twice a week, llike NZ used to do a few years ago.

Makes sense to me.

Yes but your numbers are during GFC & after effects.

Am talking about becoming an LCC like Air Asia or something akin to Jetstar, with some Star Clas seats maybe.

So overall their fares are much cheaper than anything else out there, either nonstop or via NZL or Asia.

It's amazing what people will do to save $50 let alone more & they generally don't factor in extra costs onboard.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Quoting thefuture (Thread starter):
With NAN/LAX being some 3 hours shorter than AUSTRALIA/LAX they could surely jam more seats on their 744's, for example, get rid of business class, make current Y class upstairs Premium economy & probably then get 500 or more seats on aircraft
Quoting thefuture (Reply 14):
Am talking about becoming an LCC like Air Asia or something akin to Jetstar, with some Star Clas seats maybe

So you are postulating that Americans will fly further and more expensively to get to Fiji instead of Mexico or Hawaii, and will accept less for their money?

By definition the Americans and Canadians who go to Fiji are paying more than they had to for a beach vacation closer to home. How do you reconcile that with your assertion that:

Quoting thefuture (Reply 14):
It's amazing what people will do to save $50 let alone more & they generally don't factor in extra costs onboard.

I believe that there is a niche for LCCs, and it is a short-haul niche. It is not 10 hour + flights from Los Angeles.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24996 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4404 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 13):
a) Use Expert Flyer and NZ's reluctance to ever publish performance figures for the PVG and PEK routes to conclude that they are commercial disasters sustained only by government pressure for inbound tourism and possibly kickbacks from the crewing agency,

and

b) Those who have flown to PVG on a full flight during the school holidays, and extrapolate that the route is a raging success.

I think that is a loaded characterization of both groups (and certainly the second).

I assume your intention is to use it to bolster your position for a Southwestern Pacific hub, which is certainly an interesting concept but I think political imperatives may well get in the way of it.

In an ideal world, I would probably separate Air NZ from that mix - it has other possibilities - and hope for other solutions to the problems of the small island airlines.

I could wish that the Virgin Blue/Polynesian Blue relationship had been copied by other airlines in the area, for example.

mariner



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User currently offlinethefuture From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 15):
So you are postulating that Americans will fly further and more expensively to get to Fiji instead of Mexico or Hawaii, and will accept less for their money?

By definition the Americans and Canadians who go to Fiji are paying more than they had to for a beach vacation closer to home. How do you reconcile that with your assertion that:

a type of JQ Star Class or premium economy upstairs on FJ 744's

Quoting koruman (Reply 15):
Quoting thefuture (Reply 14):
It's amazing what people will do to save $50 let alone more & they generally don't factor in extra costs onboard.

I believe that there is a niche for LCCs, and it is a short-haul niche. It is not 10 hour + flights from Los Angeles.

Air Asia X might disagree with you !!!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting thefuture (Reply 14):
Yes but your numbers are during GFC & after effects.

I can happily supply other time periods also. Point is FJ has not done too hotly in LA in recent years load wise.

The massive increase in US-Australia capacity and the fact they others like Hawaiian Air and Air Tahiti Nui battle for the same traffic also does not help.
Plus I don't think Fiji has done very well selling itself as a destination either to Americans, and the political tension cant help either.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but throwing added capacity in the market does not seem to be the right answer to me.
The 763 and eventually the 787 seem more appropriate to me capacity wise at the moment.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):

I could wish that the Virgin Blue/Polynesian Blue relationship had been copied by other airlines in the area, for example

Don't forget that Air New Zealand unsuccessfully bid against Virgin Blue to operate what became Polynesian Blue.

I would have thought that Air Pacific and Fiji are actually a more attractive proposition that Polynesian Airlines and Samoa (although I'd take Aleipata any day over Denerau!)

Meanwhile the politics angle in Fiji has been lamentably managed by the governments of both New Zealand and Australia. They were happy to look the other way under the old system whereby the ethnic Fijians were constitutionally guaranteed political dominance - they were the only race with a franchise for the upper house - and the descendants of indentured labourers who arrived a century ago could not buy land. Would we have allowed a constitution in our own countries enshrining similar absolute power and ownership of every inch of land for the Maoris and Aborigines? I think not!

Our governments supported a malignant brand of apartheid in Fiji. The new government has plenty of faults, to say the least, but it does a much better job of ensuring more equal rights for people of all races. But because the old inherently racist constitution has been pushed aside, we treat Fiji as an outlaw pariah state. Would we have done the same if PW Botha's government had been overthrown in South Africa?


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Quoting thefuture (Reply 17):
a type of JQ Star Class or premium economy upstairs on FJ 744's

What about Economy class passengers from the USA? They could have saved over $500 per person on their airfare by vacationing in Hawaii or almost $1000 by going to Baja California, but they chose Fiji.

And you're going to charge them again for a blanket and cushion and drink and meal?

They will vote with their feet, and go to Tahiti instead or even Rarotonga, where Air Tahiti Nui or Air New Zealand will spoil them with old-fashioned all-inclusive service levels.

Aussies going to Fiji seem to be your point of reference, and their alternatives are crappy service airlines to go to Bali or Phuket.

But these Americans are flying PAST Honolulu and Los Cabos to get to Fiji. They expect more, not less!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

Since we are talking about FJ and its network, anyone in the know mind posting their current network routes and frequencies?
I know LAX is 5x weekly on 744, and NRT was axed.



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User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

With Tokyo-Narita axed and Hong Kong being its only destination in Asia, Air Pacific's route network is extremely dependent on US and Australia/NZ traffic.

The airline has chosen to ignore the greater Asia Pacific region - where travel to all manners of destinations has boomed almost beyond recognition - and at one time tapped the Japanese market before dumping that for traffic ex-Hong Kong (perhaps fed to some degree by Chinese traffic).

Perhaps Air Pacific should re-assess its network, gain an understanding of the economic centre-of-gravity not far from it and undertake a complete change of mind-set about relying almost exclusively on so few markets. In the Australian market, holidaymakers seeking a tropical holiday have tonnes of choices including Bali and Phuket.

KC Sim


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24996 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3923 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 19):
Don't forget that Air New Zealand unsuccessfully bid against Virgin Blue to operate what became Polynesian Blue.

I don't forget that. I think I wish Air NZ had bid more and won, except I am not certain that it would have been as successful.

I could wish that the Qantas investment in Air Pacific had developed into something much more like the Virgin/Polynesian Blue model.

At least as of last December, Polynesian Blue is profitable and I believe (?) has paid back the original Samoan investment, although the shares are still held by them.

Quoting koruman (Reply 19):
Our governments supported a malignant brand of apartheid in Fiji. The new government has plenty of faults, to say the least, but it does a much better job of ensuring more equal rights for people of all races. But because the old inherently racist constitution has been pushed aside, we treat Fiji as an outlaw pariah state. Would we have done the same if PW Botha's government had been overthrown in South Africa?

I'm acutely aware of Fiji's politics and history but I'd have to put a different non-airline hat to even comment on that.

I think the problems facing some of the small island nations are crystalized in their airlines, with Nauru being the most obvious example.

Again, I think that what happened in Samoa could be a role model for several of the others.

mariner



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User currently offlinethefuture From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
I can happily supply other time periods also. Point is FJ has not done too hotly in LA in recent years load wise.

no because since approx mid 2008 the likes on VA, DL, UA etc. have been regularly selling lots of seats for around AUD$1000/adult inc all taxes/charges, so FJ lost their price advantage.

Would like to see figures on load factor prior to 09, say 07, 08.

My experience is most people could care about coup's in Fiji, if they can save a few bucks.

I mean, they postponed the last one for a rugby game !!!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
Since we are talking about FJ and its network, anyone in the know mind posting their current network routes and frequencies?
I know LAX is 5x weekly on 744, and NRT was axed.

NAN/LAX currently 5/week until 18AUg then 4/week until 9DEC then back to 5/week until FEB then 4/week.

Flight operates direct SYD/LAX via NAN & v.v. using 744's for all services.

Days of week no NAN/LAX/NAN aircraft flies SYD/NAN/SYD at same times but terminates in NAN (actually flies NAN/SYD/NAN with 90 min turnaround at SYD)

763 used twice a week NAN/HKG/NAN codeshared with CX & also on NAN/MEL/NAN currently only twice a week with 737's (-700 or -800) used twice a week.

NAN/BNE/NAN uses 737 daily except Sun when 763 used.

NAN/HNL/NAN 3 times per week, but only once nonstop (continuation of NAN/HNL to YVR was dropped a year or so ago, in favour of subsidised codeshare with AS LAX/YVR/LAX.

NAN/AKL up to 11/week using all 3 type 737, 763 & 744 + 1 NAN/SUV/AKL

NAN/CHC once a week

Other 737 services to other south Pac ports.

ROUTE MAP

http://www.airpacific.com/Pacific-Destinations/Route-Map

NOTE: DJ have recently dropped ADL/NAN & some MEL/NAN services we think, so this might help FJ.

[Edited 2010-07-21 23:28:48]

[Edited 2010-07-21 23:29:27]

25 thefuture : actually 1 of these is 744 at least for 24JUL, but maybe it's a once only ?
26 Post contains images LAXintl : Cheers on the network info. Does not seem too busy for such a diverse fleet. (which could very well be part of the reason for FJs financial performan
27 thefuture : Actually looking at route map, wouldn't something liek this work well with FJ current fleet say minimum of twice a week SYD/NAN/LAX 744 AKL/NAN/SFO or
28 thefuture : Obviously they are averges for whole year, then some months must be very high indeed, even with increased capacity in peak travel months, plus late 0
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