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Easyjet - 90 Days Or Change Your Name!  
User currently offlineBAfan From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 22159 times:

Sir Stelio's has given EasyJet 90 days to improve punctuality across it's network otherwise he will withdraw the licence of the 'easy' brand forcing Easyjet to change it's name and everything else in it's operations (uniforms, orange livery scheme)

What will happen next?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...e-easy-name-in-easyJet-battle.html

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User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 22114 times:

It's all quite interesting isn't it?

http://www.easy.com/PDFs/BB%20to%20HS%2019.07.10.pdf

from http://www.easy.com/shareholder/20.07.10.html



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 22067 times:

Timekeeping is a real issue with easyjet. I am still to have one flight with them that departs gate near to schedule. Their pricing has become unrealistic too.

User currently offlinenema From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 21986 times:

I have a lot of respect for Stelios and i do like the EasyJet model which i have used extensively. In fact ive flown to Athens with Stelios sat just behind me and i wished i had the bottle to chat with him, i guess he deserves his space though so i gave it a miss.

Not sure in the eyes of the law if he would be able to do this image withdrawal on these grounds, regardless of any contracts, if vigorously challenged which he would be by the current board.



There isnt really a dark side to the moon, as a matter of fact its all dark!
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21613 times:

I say change the name - it is only a matter of time before he chucks another wobbly and threatens the airline with it again.

Who knows - they may also save on licensing fees for using the name too!


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21572 times:

There has been a lot of disagreement over the last year or so at the board of easyJet, over expansion plans, which Stelios does not agree with.

I'm intrigued whether this is a tactic by Stelios to get at the directors, and exert some of his influence at the company, or a legitimate threat to withdraw the licencing agreement.

There was talk on the radio yesterday that easyJet could possibly resurrect the "Go" brand which they purchased from BA, or re-launch with a new brand altogether....

interesting times....

[Edited 2010-07-22 03:01:09]

[Edited 2010-07-22 03:01:35]

User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 816 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21431 times:

Reading the letter from the solicitors, he has only threatened to issue notice of termination of the brand licence.

Long term it may better to drop the brand if this level of interference is to continue.


User currently offlinef4f3a From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21390 times:

time keeping is a real issue . many flights cancelled and delayed due to a severe lack of crew.
The same thing happened when the last ceo left. drive down costs and cash your shares in before they leave.
The new ceo has a real mess to contend with and this will not help.

They can not use go because I understand they sold it last year .
I have heard rumuors that mr branson has offered the virgin brand free of charge if they lose the easy brand.
What would be weird if that happend and then stelios sold or leased the easy brand to someone else. It would get very confusing


User currently offlinevarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21339 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 6):
Long term it may better to drop the brand if this level of interference is to continue.

It may also be better to hire staff so that the first flight at 7.00am is not cancelled because "we have a crew shortage this morning" creating disorganization for the rest of the day

I am U2 frequent flyer but over the last 2 months I went back to AF because I am sick and tired of this comedy of flight cancelled and/or 3 hours late.
Each and every U2 flight I took recently had a taste of theatre



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21262 times:

The last BRU-GVA flight of the day, operated by EasyJet Switzerland is always late, usually one hour behind schedule and sometimes, cancelled all together. Not very reliable.


Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21256 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 6):

Long term it may better to drop the brand if this level of interference is to continue.

Agreed - as long as they are easyjet he will have this bargaining chip (and royalties from the license fee)


User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1084 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21234 times:
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Quoting f4f3a (Reply 7):
I have heard rumuors that mr branson has offered the virgin brand free of charge if they lose the easy brand.

Virgin low-cost European flights - now there's an idea!



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User currently offlinevarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21151 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
The last BRU-GVA flight of the day, operated by EasyJet Switzerland is always late, usually one hour behind schedule and sometimes, cancelled all together. Not very reliable.

How are you Air Malta  

Add to that list the last CDG or ORY to NCE flight...

The last time they had the nerve to bus us around CDG2B to tell us "oops the crew has timed out because accumulating delays during the day" just while we were about to climb the lousy stairs!
Then go back home (RER B at night...) and do-it-yourself rebooking



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User currently offlinePilotRecruit From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 21138 times:

I used to work for easyJet and if they payed their crew in real money rather than bits of string and peanuts, they might actually at very least keep their crew and possibly attract more. I have many friends still there and morale is so low that something has to change or no matter how strong the model is a lack of effort by the crew will be detrimental to their success.

It's the perfect effect of the trickle down effect. There is massive disharmony at the top and as a result all the above listed issues become the norm.



"Whether you think you can or you can't, either way you're right." Henry Ford
User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 21055 times:

Quoting PilotRecruit (Reply 13):
I used to work for easyJet and if they payed their crew in real money rather than bits of string and peanuts, they might actually at very least keep their crew and possibly attract more. I have many friends still there and morale is so low that something has to change or no matter how strong the model is a lack of effort by the crew will be detrimental to their success.

Keeping crew isn't really a problem at the moment. Thats not the issue........and cabin crew atleast are amongst the best paid in the industry apart from the "old timer's" at BA. Thats when you take into account salary, sector pay and commission on everything we sell. Certainly I earn more than i ever did at GB.

[Edited 2010-07-22 04:06:07]


Proud to fly from Manchester!
User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 20876 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 14):
Certainly I earn more than i ever did at GB.

Whilst I certainly miss GB, I remember the boss a few years ago telling staff that if they didn't like the pay at GB he could walk into Tesco and get replacements for them instantly, or something to that effect.

Rebranding is a huge risk for any SUCCESSFUL company. After spending millions over the years, the Easyjet brand is one of the best known out there. In fact, whilst Stelios threatens to withdraw the Easy name, may I dare to suggest that the Easy"JET" name props up his other "Easy" named ventures? Are even Easy Rent a Car or Easy Hotels still around? EasyJet is the only one I ever hear of.

Stelios is absolutely right to tell them to get their finger out on the punctuality issue though.



To no one will we sell, or deny, or delay, right or justice - Magna Carta, 1215
User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 20708 times:

While poor time keeping my harm the easyJet brand, Stelios still has a big enough stake in U2 to go and pull the rug from under them. While the media frenzy around such a change would be massive and most people would probably get the message, the damage to the brand could be irreparable. In reality he is unlikely to go and crash the value of his shares (and loose out on a load of royalties)


p.s. Can I just thank the three ahead of me (PilotRecruit, GT4EZY adn offloaded): I love all of your footnote messages! Totally unrelated but just thought I'd show my appreciation



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlinevarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 20710 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 14):
Keeping crew isn't really a problem at the moment. Thats not the issue

Why is it there are constant crew shortages?
What is the issue then?



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User currently offlinef4f3a From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20491 times:

there are crew shortages because the attrition rate (amognst pilots anyway) has increased with people dissapointed with the way management is treating them. Also for the first time now theres somewhere recruiting emirates with 700 crew req.
I hear 40 pilots going from lgw base alone.

Some of the delays and cancelations are due to airport cerfews such as gva which closes. Others are down to days which are too close to max duty hours. These can be extended to a point but at crews choice. They cant do this every day though. And it also covers up the bigger problem of correct schedule and turn around times.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12589 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20421 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 4):
I say change the name - it is only a matter of time before he chucks another wobbly and threatens the airline with it again.

Why not say improve the product instead?

Seems no one here is disagreeing with Stellios's goal, just his techniques.

But if the technique results in the right goal, then why not, unless ego is more important than business.



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlinef4f3a From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20405 times:

I do wonder whether he wants to devalue the shares so he can buy at a low price and take complete control of the airline again

User currently offlineohthedrama747 From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20283 times:

Interesting statistic about the level of LGW flights delayed. We were flying to EDI from there on the day England played Germany and the flight was around an hour and a half late leaving. They stuck us all in a tiny gate which was extremely uncomfortable due to the heat.

This was due to a crew overrunning their hours. I sat next to a lady on the plane who was pretty pissed off about the whole thing and it came to a head when she couldn't get water from the flight attendants - they were disorganised and didn't have it to hand. As it turned out she tried to get on the flight the day before but the flight was cancelled and it took them 3 hours to organise a hotel for her.

I'm flying with them on Saturday from EDI - LGW and if they are late I'll hesitate to use them again. Thankfully I'm flying BA back up on Sunday. Good old 734!


User currently offlineSRforever From Switzerland, joined Dec 2006, 129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 20187 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
(and loose out on a load of royalties)

the newspaper I read today said they only have to pay a symbolic amount. is that so?


User currently offlinef4f3a From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19860 times:

1 pound a year . They used to own it but b4 stelios stood down running it he sold it to easygroup. Easyjet now leases brand for only 1 pound

User currently offlinenormie999 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19537 times:

The whole Easyjet story seems to be coming to a head. The S Times coverage has kept it on the agenda and their cancellation problems are being reported all over the place - Germany in particular. Lots more on the whole thing here: http://insidetraveller.co.uk/blog/?p=1096

25 Woof : About time the realities of flying EasyJet were out in the open on this forum. A large majority of FR threads contain posts from people saying how muc
26 aerofreakjens : I have travelled with easyJet quite a number of times over the past 3 - 4 years and have not experienced any big delays, other than once or twice beca
27 RyanairGuru : Woof, you're absolutely right EY is better than FR. But only because EY is Etihad!!! EasyJet is U2 and EZY. While FR-bashing is a very popular past-ti
28 Post contains images BasilFawlty : Hooray for Stelios, good move! easyJet is a chaos and becoming more and more unreliable every day. Bases like LGW, LPL and MAD have serious crew short
29 Woof : Doh, edited, thanks.
30 GCT64 : I've flown on Easyjet 270 (yes: 270) times in the last 5 years and, generally, their on time performance and service has been good (I remember doing
31 Post contains images MHO : One of these buttons will fix everything right up:
32 Vasu : This is all very interesting... My personal guess is that the rebranding won't happen - perhaps the managers etc will simply pull their socks up. Also
33 kaitak : Personally I think this is a PR disaster for Easy, even if they aren't forced to change name ... and a PR gift to FR. Yes, I know FR had to publish a
34 A340600 : This exposes a significant problem within the crewing area at easyJet These are two of the biggest problems: I have friends within the EZY LGW cabin c
35 DunaA320 : I returned from AMS a couple of weeks back and we had a 1 hour 30 minute delay and the pilot quite openly told us that it was due to a combination of
36 bjorn14 : Sounds like a great idea...we can then be rid of the puke orange. But Stelios still holds the rights.
37 willd : Whilst the letter from Bird & Bird is a rather unsual one to the lay person anyone involved in litigation will be well aware that these types of l
38 fca767 : What does this mean? "Sir Stelios, whose family owns 38pc of easyJet, resigned from the board of the airline in May in order to build support for a sh
39 GT4EZY : A combination of expansion (not over expansion) and management who believed they could cut crewing numbers. Coincidentally, the new CEO has openly ad
40 f4f3a : Its strange why hes using this as blackmail. First the court case now this ultimatum is very strange. It would be cool to see the virgin europe brand
41 varig md-11 : Very interesting post! It's just sad that because of these unwise decisions, fatigue for crews and disruptions for pax have now become a nearly daily
42 Kennyone : Obviously this question might seem stupid.... would this open the market to easy connections between a potential "Low Cost Virgin for domestic Euro f
43 macsid : I know this will come out of left field, but ... Tony Fernandes, CEO of Air Asia, has openly recounted more times than most remember about how he spen
44 A340600 : The point remains though, it is happening. Aside, out of two of my closest friends there their schedules are vastly different, one is on dozens more
45 jmc757 : Stelios has not been happy with the way easyJet has been run for a while and its been no secret. This is of course Stelios flexing his muscles and rem
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