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AS 2Q Profit = $84M  
User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

http://www.alaskasworld.com/newsroom...s/asstories/AS_20100722_045412.asp

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•Net income excluding special items was $84.0 million, or $2.29 per diluted share, compared to $26.5 million, or $0.72 per share, in the second quarter of 2009. This quarter's results compared to a First Call mean estimate of $2.12 per share.

•Net income under Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) was $58.6 million, or $1.60 per diluted share, compared to net income of $29.1 million, or $0.79 per diluted share, in 2009.

•The company ended the quarter with $1.3 billion in unrestricted cash and marketable securities.

This is shaping up to be an amazing year. CEO Bill Ayer said this is the largest profit we've ever made in any quarter. So the summer will most likely beat that. That brings the full year profit so far to $97 million.

He also said we are expecting to grow capacity 5% but the number of departures only about by 1%. Here's looking forward to a great summer!

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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4008 times:
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Outstanding job! Congratulations to all my co-workers for achieving these incredible results!   


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3959 times:
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Key takeaways:

- $1.3B in cash on-hand
- Best adjusted quarterly profit in company history
- 13.8% adjusted pretax margin
- $133M increase in revenues
- $25M in first-bag fee revenue
- $11.13 per passenger in ancillary revenue
- $50M increase in annual fuel costs
- Exercised options on 2 additional 737-800s to be delivered in 2012
- AS mainline passenger revenue up over 11%



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5335 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Congrat't to the AAG! It's great to see the good times continuing through the year due to hard work by all, excellent management, cooperative fuel prices, and hopefully, an economy that appears to be slowly starting to rebound.

It will be exciting to see how Q3 ends up!

bb


User currently offlineOklahomaSooner From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Congrats to all Alaska employees! They truly are what makes flying Alaska a great experience.

I just hope that AS management does not decide to outsource their outstanding CSA's in most of the smaller Southern California stations, as they currently are threatening to do by years end...



Boomer Sooner!!!
User currently offlinespirtofalaska From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 192 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 4):

I really think its a scare tactic to get the agents to agree to a contract.... We will see tho. Hope not. But if the agents want job security, they need to get something into their contract, and sign it!



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

I find this information aggravating. Ironic, I know, but let me explain.
They've just recorded their biggest profit EVER. Do you realize the implications of this?
Yet here they are, with jet fuel that (just recently) was so expensive as to be unsustainable.
And, more upsetting, there's certainly been no talk of removing checked bag fees.
So, basically, "We found a new way to screw you, and we like it!"

That's what I'm walking away with from most of the carriers' earnings reports this quarter.

If Southwest flew to Anchorage, I'd fly them just to boycott the other carriers' fees.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
So, basically, "We found a new way to screw you, and we like it!"

That's what I'm walking away with from most of the carriers' earnings reports this quarter.

If Southwest flew to Anchorage, I'd fly them just to boycott the other carriers' fees.

So the industry is in the dumps for a couple years, with carriers posting significant losses...and the second they finally pull out if it by altering the business model...shame on them? Isn't that what good companies are supposed to do? Find new ways to survive and evolve?

Even WN is finding new ways to charge for things they never have before. And they are even making switching their tickets more restrictive than in the past. They just haven't budged on checked bags yet. Once they start complicating their business model like they have begun to do, and interline with foreign airlines like they plan to do, it'll probably start catching up with them.

I will just never understand the angst against airlines when they make money. Employees feel entitled to raises and customers feel entitled to lower and lower fares. The airlines can do no right.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7787 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3625 times:

Good! That means DL+AS made $633 mil all together   


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3621 times:
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Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 4):
I just hope that AS management does not decide to outsource their outstanding CSA's in most of the smaller Southern California stations, as they currently are threatening to do by years end...

  

Management isn't "threatening" anything - the current COPS contract, which includes CSAs and Res, had a job protection side letter in it that stated no COPS contract employees would see their job eliminated as a result of subcontracting to outside vendors. This job protection side letter expired when the old contract became amendable, and since AS management does have a fiduciary responsibility to all stakeholders to ensure they're operating as profitably as possible at all stations, they're comparing costs to determine if using subcontractors at some smaller stations might make more financial sense.

There's no "by year's end" timeframe or any other such timetable in place, either. There's just a cost analysis taking place at this point by soliciting proposals from outside vendors.

Quoting spirtofalaska (Reply 5):
I really think its a scare tactic to get the agents to agree to a contract....

Not at all. The COPS group knew that an extension of the job protection side letter was a provision of extending the old contract. They chose to vote it down in favor of negotiating a new CBA, and those negotiations are currently ongoing.



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User currently offlineOklahomaSooner From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):


Sounds just like the typical Alaska management response to everything. When will they learn that outsourcing does not always translate into bigger profits? Just look at the whole menzies mess.

It's Alaska's outstanding frontline employees that have helped win the JD Powers award 3 years in a row. Do you think a contract company is going to give the same type of customer service? I guarantee you it will not. Many customers chose to fly Alaska because of their excellent service. If the service becomes average or poor, they will take their business elsewhere if given a comparable fare on another carrier. That is how it works in any industry.



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 10):
When will they learn that outsourcing does not always translate into bigger profits? Just look at the whole menzies mess.

SEA ramp has never run more efficiently than it is now. The switchover was years ago.

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 10):
It's Alaska's outstanding frontline employees that have helped win the JD Powers award 3 years in a row.



Sure it is, but in all of the Lower 48 stations, the ramp is outsourced. You seem to be concerned with the ramp, yet outsourced rampers are the ones getting just as many flights turned on time and bags to carousel in under 20 minutes. The word outsource does not equal horrible customer service.

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 10):
Many customers chose to fly Alaska because of their excellent service. If the service becomes average or poor, they will take their business elsewhere if given a comparable fare on another carrier. That is how it works in any industry.

Clearly they haven't and we haven't had our own agents in a lot of lower 48 stations in years. People are loving the Hawaii service but it's UA, the airline everyone loves to hate, that is ground handling us there. Doesn't seem to be affecting us.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
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Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 10):
Sounds just like the typical Alaska management response to everything.

Allow me to remind you that the job protection side letter wasn't part of the original COPS contract - it was agreed-upon by both AS management and the IAM after the contract was ratified. Clearly AS isn't interested in wholesale oursourcing, but does retain the right to look at lower-cost solutions if they make sense for all stakeholders.



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User currently offlineOklahomaSooner From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 11):
SEA ramp has never run more efficiently than it is now. The switchover was years ago.

I agree things are running a bit smoother now than a few years ago, but a lot of that has to do with DGS taking over some of the ramp responsibilities. Hitting planes with equipment and not reporting it, and spraying deicing fluid into an apu inlet is pretty costly though.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 11):
The word outsource does not equal horrible customer service.

I was referring to Customer Service Agents in my coments about winning the award, not rampers. I agree an outsourced ramp may not be noticed by the everyday passenger but when an poorly trained outsourced CSA doesn't know how to respond to a certain passenger request, it then becomes noticed.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 11):
People are loving the Hawaii service but it's UA

My comments are mainly directed toward 3rd party subcontract companies, not other airlines. In my experience most OAL employees are just as competent and professional as the own airline employees. I believe alot of this has to do with advanced training and taking pride in being an airline employee. BTW, I agree the UA employees in Hawaii are awesome too.



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User currently offlineOklahomaSooner From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
Allow me to remind you that the job protection side letter wasn't part of the original COPS contract - it was agreed-upon by both AS management and the IAM after the contract was ratified. Clearly AS isn't interested in wholesale oursourcing, but does retain the right to look at lower-cost solutions if they make sense for all stakeholders.

I agree too, it is not all AS management to blame. Alot of the blame can be put on the IAM also. In my experience being a former IAM member, the IAM does not really care about its members. They can claim solidarity all they want but when it comes down to it, all they care about is collecting their union dues.
Again this is my personal opinion after being outsourced from another airline (not AS) and having the IAM do little to nothing to fight for our jobs. Then again, we did seal our fate by voting in the horrible contract that the wording was so vague, not much can be done about it.

Oh well, back to the topic- Congrats again to Alaska and its employees and here is to many more quarters of profits and hoping all contract issues can be sorted out to benefit all.



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 13):
I agree things are running a bit smoother now than a few years ago, but a lot of that has to do with DGS taking over some of the ramp responsibilities. Hitting planes with equipment and not reporting it, and spraying deicing fluid into an apu inlet is pretty costly though.

You do realize that the APU de-icing incident was caused by AS mechanics don't you? The ramp does not do any de-icing in SEA. And referencing incidents that happened years ago does not do anything for the argument. You have to let it go at some point. It was a mistake and the employee was let go.

The operation is also not running a "bit" smoother now. It's running a LOT smoother. The SEA stations' success is the reason Ben Minicucci is COO now. He was the VP of SEA. SEA is one of the best stations in the system which is pretty incredible considering it's the biggest.

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 13):
I was referring to Customer Service Agents in my coments about winning the award, not rampers. I agree an outsourced ramp may not be noticed by the everyday passenger but when an poorly trained outsourced CSA doesn't know how to respond to a certain passenger request, it then becomes noticed.

And like I said, there are plenty of stations where we don't have our own CSAs, and they do a fine job. They are all airline employees as well. A Menzies/DGS doesn't do the CSA side for us anywhere.

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 13):
My comments are mainly directed toward 3rd party subcontract companies, not other airlines. In my experience most OAL employees are just as competent and professional as the own airline employees.

And that's precisely my point. The only 3rd party subcontractors we use do the ramp and aircraft cleaning. So I don't see your beef?


User currently offlineCondorito From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Hooray!
Maybe they will by some 739-ERs now and avoid those pesky fuel stops due Hawaii during the winter.



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User currently offlineOklahomaSooner From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 15):

I apologize if I was misinformed on the deicing incident. Any person can make a mistake, airline employee or not. Nobody is perfect.

My biggest issue is why does management feel it is necessary to furlough or displace loyal employees, some with more than 20+ years experience with the company, just to save a few bucks and increase their corporate bonuses. All of this while the airline is currently posting its largest profits. Unfortunately this is the way the current AS management including Bill Ayer and Ben Minicucci has decided to run things. Screw over the lives of their own employees all in the name of impressing the shareholders.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5442 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 10):
Just look at the whole menzies mess.

I'm guessing by the new tightened baggage guarantee (IINM) that this has sorted itself out. Plus they seem to be running on time much better.

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 10):
they will take their business elsewhere if given a comparable fare on another carrier.

If AS' costs are higher, then by default their fares will likely be higher too. Or they'll lose money, which seems to be the only thing the airlines are good at sometimes. In any event, if they can't compete on price, as you say, then they won't need to worry about bonuses for anyone anyways.

Quoting OklahomaSooner (Reply 13):
I was referring to Customer Service Agents in my coments about winning the award, not rampers. I agree an outsourced ramp may not be noticed by the everyday passenger but when an poorly trained outsourced CSA doesn't know how to respond to a certain passenger request, it then becomes noticed.

I agree that Customer Service is the thing people notice right away when it goes bad. However, I will say that some of my worst airport experiences in the past have been with Alaska CSA's in Seattle. Not lately, mind you, but 5-6 years ago I decided that my loyalty to AS in SEA, while well placed, was only getting me ticked off when their front line employees at the terminal were indifferent and lacked urgency. This may have changed with the new layout, but nonetheless having CSA's be inhouse didn't prove to me that it was necessarily better.

I do hope that Alaska can remain profitable, and independent. Despite my CSA comments above (and my disdain for the bag fees that they and others charge), I love AS and wish to see them serve Seattle for many years to come.

-Dave



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3253 times:
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Quoting Condorito (Reply 16):
Maybe they will by some 739-ERs now and avoid those pesky fuel stops due Hawaii during the winter.

With only 150nm more range than the 738, the infrequent tech stops experienced this past winter during extreme Pineapple Express jetstream activity pointed directly at SEA would still have occurred with the 739ER.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3226 times:
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Quoting hatbutton (Reply 11):
People are loving the Hawaii service but it's UA, the airline everyone loves to hate, that is ground handling us there.

Isn't HNL's ground handling and CS done by DL?

Great to see our hometown airline doing very well financially! How about ordering more 737-800's? How about restoring some of the cancelled frequencies? How about increasing frequency on existing markets like IAH, AUS, ATL, MIA, STL, etc.?


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3192 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 20):

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 11):
People are loving the Hawaii service but it's UA, the airline everyone loves to hate, that is ground handling us there.

Isn't HNL's ground handling and CS done by DL?

IIRC, DL does all ground handling and customer service in all Hawaii stations except LIH. That station is done by UA.



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User currently offlineCondorito From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
infrequent tech stops

38 in a short period are infrequent?
  



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 7):
So the industry is in the dumps for a couple years, with carriers posting significant losses...and the second they finally pull out if it by altering the business model...shame on them? Isn't that what good companies are supposed to do? Find new ways to survive and evolve?

Even WN is finding new ways to charge for things they never have before. And they are even making switching their tickets more restrictive than in the past. They just haven't budged on checked bags yet. Once they start complicating their business model like they have begun to do, and interline with foreign airlines like they plan to do, it'll probably start catching up with them.

I will just never understand the angst against airlines when they make money. Employees feel entitled to raises and customers feel entitled to lower and lower fares. The airlines can do no right.

You've entirely misconstrued my point. Working for an airline myself, I'm all about the company making profits- what's good for them is good for me.
But, as a fare paying customer, it's not as though AS SQUEAKED by with a break even here. They made THE LARGEST QUARTERLY PROFIT EVER.
So yes, I unapologetically call for AS and others to return to a more civilized form of customer service. Amtrak and Greyhound don't charge for bags, and they don't lose them, either. Why should airlines, in an otherwise profitable economic situation?

With statements like yours, you leave no room for disagreement; such an attitude is typically referred to as bigotry.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 11):
SEA ramp has never run more efficiently than it is now. The switchover was years ago.

This coming from a SEA ramper.  


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3059 times:
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Quoting Condorito (Reply 22):
38 in a short period are infrequent?

Those 38 represented a miniscule percentage of the overall flight operations to/from Hawaii. But then again you knew that already. Regardless, the 739ER wouldn't have helped alleviate those few tech stops during that unusally strong headwind situation faced this past winter.



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25 gmcc : In the earnings conference call it was reveled that they converted two options to orders for delivery in 2012. I thought that one of the most interes
26 wedgetail737 : I remember the OGG station was handled by UA, unless that changed over the last year or so.
27 hatbutton : And that's my point. Where do you draw the line? What if there are 4 quarters in a row where they lost $20 million but if they charged a bag fee they
28 PlanesNTrains : It isn't how much money they earned, though, but perhaps what type of margin. The profit may sound huge, but they need a good margin to be able to ma
29 bobnwa : Perhaps if AS did all of these things, they wouldn't be profitable. Looks to me like the AS management is doing the right things now.
30 wedgetail737 : Now that AS (and other airlines) are making decent quarterly profits, it's just a matter of time that the labor It's not asking much. Once the economy
31 wedgetail737 : It's a matter of time as to when the employees will be wanting their cut of the profits in the way of additional benefits and pay.
32 hatbutton : Well with everyone signing recent contracts except CSAs, it will take some time before they can ask again. However, nearly everyone is on the new pro
33 EA CO AS : And once the COPS group sees what the Performance Based Pay bonus looks like this year vs. the outdated Profit Sharing plan they have in their CBA, t
34 wedgetail737 : I'm glad things are going well at AS. More often than not though that when contracts come up, you always hear about how management is hoarding the pr
35 EA CO AS : The COPS group recently voted on an extension of the current CBA. It would have: - Extended the current CBA terms by 2 years - No increases in health
36 wedgetail737 : It's my opinion that the IAM's only purpose is stir up turmoil at management, no matter how good (or bad) any offer turns out. They can be pretty rut
37 Post contains images EA CO AS : Agreed! I hope both sides are able to come to a mutually-beneficial arrangement.
38 Alias1024 : Tell that to all the pilots, flight attendants, and mechanics at Horizon that are going to be out of jobs later this year. Getting kicked to the curb
39 CALPSAFltSkeds : Better put in both aux tanks or the range is less than a 738. 739ER has same fuel capacity (wo/o aux tanks) as the 738 and burn a bit more fuel per m
40 ASFlyer : They aren't the only ones losing their jobs, how about the employees of the FLG, PRC and IDA station, or the FAB (Food and Beverage) employees in BOI
41 ASFlyer : actually, early openers on the AFA contract begin just a few months from now.
42 Airport : For what it's worth, AS/QX pre-tax margin was 13.8% compared to 6% last year for the quarter, and a 12-month return of 8.3%. Actually, AS did just or
43 Post contains images lightsaber : In a word wow! That margin is healthy... for a normal business. Not extravagant, but... normal. Well done AS. Hissss..... Lightsaber
44 Airport : As a tie-in with my above post, if I had the holy touch and anything I say went, here's what I'd do.... -AS goes all-737-800 (with the exception of th
45 PlanesNTrains : Good info, thank you. Well, if it's healthy, but not extravagant, then I'd say that it's hard to scream bloody murder over it. They need to make a re
46 wedgetail737 : Why the C-series airplanes? The C-series jets are still only paper or digital airplanes. Why not the E-175 or E-190 series? What about the Sukhoi Supe
47 Airport : The Q400 was only a paper/digital airplane when QX ordered it. The 787/A350/A380 was only a paper/digital airplane when the majority of airlines orde
48 EA CO AS : While AAG is posting record profits, QX carried 29 percent of AAG's customers but contributed only 6 percent of AAG's pretax profit for the quarter.
49 Airport : While that info is accurate, it's no longer entirely applicable. Management has determined that the QX brand and culture will continue to remain sepe
50 wedgetail737 : Does that mean QX will turn into another Skywest or ASA?
51 gmcc : Hopefully, but according the 8K with the SEC and available on Alaska's website Other Horizon Changes We are working to improve Horizon's profitabilit
52 EA CO AS : I wouldn't worry too much about the potential loss of the Horizon Air brand itself. Yes, it IS something being discussed but this is likely the resul
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