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Question About Delta In LAS  
User currently offlinejpj777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

I'm at the Sunset Road parking site right now (10:49a) and noticed that all of Delta's gates are full with two planes which just landed waiting for empty gates to dock including a 757 which has been waiting for over half an hour now! and another Delta 767 landing as I type this, is it common for Delta to run out of gate space like this? Is it because it's Friday? (btw all of allegiant's gates which are next door are empty)

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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7101 times:

Last time I was in LAS with DL they schedule flights to arrive within 5 minutes of the other plane leaving that gate, it was very busy and there always seemed to be a DL plane at each gate.


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User currently offlineLASoctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7089 times:

Quoting jpj777 (Thread starter):
(btw all of allegiant's gates which are next door are empty)

I don't think airlines here switch gates like that. Especially in Las Vegas.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 6886 times:

Quoting LASoctoberB6 (Reply 2):

I don't think airlines here switch gates like that. Especially in Las Vegas.

When Virgin America was operating out of D, they used one of the gates Delta operates from and the computer terminals, as well as the gate signs could be configured for those flights. All of the gates at LAS, regardless of the airline, are CUTE (common use terminal equipment) gates and an airline could in theory, operate out of any gate at the airport. This also makes it easily for an airline to adjust its' operations.

Quoting jpj777 (Thread starter):
btw all of allegiant's gates which are next door are empty

While that may have been the case, those gates may not be set up to handle anything bigger than an MD-80.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Last time I was in LAS with DL they schedule flights to arrive within 5 minutes of the other plane leaving that gate, it was very busy and there always seemed to be a DL plane at each gate.

And if one flight arrives late or take a delay for some reason, you're going to have a/c waiting. When I flew out to LAS in June, my flight left ATL close to two hours late due to crew and maintenance issues and we had to wait for a gate to open up. The flight arrived at LAS about 90 minutes late.

I remember one trip out of LAS on DL and they had two 763s remotely parked that made out some of the early morning flights to ATL and had to wait for one of the other gates to clear out before moving the a/c. Originally the flight was supposed go out of D-32 and instead they moved it to one of the gates at the end of the wing since a gate was open.


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 6878 times:

Quoting LASoctoberB6 (Reply 2):
I don't think airlines here switch gates like that. Especially in Las Vegas.

What does the airport being in Vegas have to do with anything? Isn't the entire airport CUTE anyway?

It's probably cheaper/easier for the landing aircraft to wait a few extra minutes for a free gate than it is for them to pay another gate use fee and have all of the equipment move to said gate.


User currently offlinemccarranmgr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 6812 times:

In simple terms this is common practice at LAS for Delta due to their scheduled banks.


The SE wing of D-Gates (D-7 to D-14) remains closed so there isn’t much room on that side as well. Yes LAS is all common use , however signatory airlines can lease preferential gates. This helps to eliminate the problem of ramp control one day sending AA to the A gates and the next day back to the D gates. Keep in mind however that situation can still happen, due to the operating agreement at LAS the airport can send any airline to any gate due to operational necessity. Now if the airline doesn’t want to go to that gate ie Delta, then they will just hot hold until "their" gates open up. The airport can also force an airline off a gate in certain situations.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 3):
While that may have been the case, those gates may not be set up to handle anything bigger than an MD-80.

This is true for these gates. They are currently not marked for a large variety of aircraft.


User currently offlinejpj777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 6734 times:

With the retraction of almost every US Air flight does that make Delta the 3rd largest in Vegas now? and I agree about the Allegiant gates from what I can see they are only set up for MD80 size craft however most of the Delta planes that were there during that time were NW Airbuses and Skywest CRJ's a 737, 757 and two 767's and I forgot to mention in the first post there was a MD80 parked on the holding pad in front of D so there were 11 Delta planes on the ground at once! it will be interesting when the new terminal opens to see who goes were and if they close A & B all together (but I'm sure there is a post on this somewhere in the forums I'm just to HOT to look for it    )

User currently offlineLASoctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Quoting mccarranmgr (Reply 5):
The SE wing of D-Gates (D-7 to D-14) remains closed so there isn’t much room on that side as well. Yes LAS is all common use , however signatory airlines can lease preferential gates. This helps to eliminate the problem of ramp control one day sending AA to the A gates and the next day back to the D gates. Keep in mind however that situation can still happen, due to the operating agreement at LAS the airport can send any airline to any gate due to operational necessity. Now if the airline doesn’t want to go to that gate ie Delta, then they will just hot hold until "their" gates open up. The airport can also force an airline off a gate in certain situations.

Wow. So much I didn't know..

Quoting jpj777 (Reply 6):
Delta the 3rd largest in Vegas now?

I actually think they're the second largest.. If not close to it.



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User currently offlinejpj777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

I thought it was Southwest then Allegiant and now Delta? maybe with all the new metal that VX ordered they will start a hub in Vegas to replace US!    (Love all the Delta white on the ground, breaks up the monotony of canyon blue)

User currently offlinemccarranmgr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 6455 times:

Quoting LASoctoberB6 (Reply 7):
I actually think they're the second largest.. If not close to it.

As of May 2010 the top 5 at LAS are : 1 SWA, 2 DAL , 3 UAL , 4 AAL , 5 AWE.


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

Wasn't there talk many years ago of moving the SLC hub to LAS? Not that I think that is even a remote possibility anymore, but given DL's recent LAS additions, US' severe LAS cuts, and the rebounding economy... does anyone see DL adding even more capacity to LAS on the future? Maybe a focus city down the road?

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 10):
. does anyone see DL adding even more capacity to LAS on the future? Maybe a focus city down the road?

They cover all of the hubs as is right now from LAS. In addition they also fly to LAX, MCO, FLL, and soon BOS and BDL. Maybe down the road they would add SEA or restore IND?



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User currently offlineLASoctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

Well, a lot of Southwest flights will be operating out of the B Gates as some ramp work will be done around the C Gates.

http://cms.mccarran.com/dsweb/Get/Document-290380



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 3):
When Virgin America was operating out of D,

Where are they operating out of now?

Quoting mccarranmgr (Reply 5):
This is true for these gates. They are currently not marked for a large variety of aircraft.

I thought Allegiant had the former National gates? Arent they marked for 757's at the largest?



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 14):

Where are they operating out of now?

B Gates.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 14):
ought Allegiant had the former National gates? Arent they marked for 757's at the largest?

But at present, G4 isn't operating any 757s. What Mccarranmgr was saying is that those gates are not marked for a large variety of a/c. I would guess that at most, some of those gates are marked for the 737, A320, MD-80/DC-9, and 757.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

The old redeye LAS-MSY with a 757, 767, or 763 depending on the month sure is missed. It continued to ATL. The flight number was usually 302. On the return it was a late evening ATL-MSY-LAS, flight 485...again with the same equipment type.

User currently offlinemccarranmgr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

Quoting LASoctoberB6 (Reply 13):
Well, a lot of Southwest flights will be operating out of the B Gates as some ramp work will be done around the C Gates.

Yes for the next 18 months. SWA will be in the open C gates, and the B gates from B-9 to B-21.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 14):
Where are they operating out of now?

B-17 and B-25

Quoting srbmod (Reply 15):
I would guess that at most, some of those gates are marked for the 737, A320, MD-80/DC-9, and 757.

This is right. Although many gates at LAS can handle several types of aircraft the airport tries to limit the types of markings on the ground in an effort to help to keep the ramp crew from mis-gating an aircraft. G4's gates have recently been marked for 752W .

Quoting jpj777 (Reply 6):
it will be interesting when the new terminal opens to see who goes were and if they close A & B all together (but I'm sure there is a post on this somewhere in the forums I'm just to HOT to look for it

There is no doubt that things are going to change. No decisions have been made, and it will remain fluid until we get closer to 6/2012.

[Edited 2010-07-23 19:28:38 by srbmod]

User currently offlineLASoctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Every once in a while, I'll see a Delta A320 or a 757 over where Northwest used to park. What's up with that?


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User currently offlinejpj777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Mccarranmgr do you see McCarren doing anything to the A & B gates in the future? you would think (hope) by 2012 the airlines will be back in full swing and there would still be a need for them even after the new terminal opens, if WN keeps growing in Vegas they would probably need all of B and with Delta's growth they could take over half of D.

User currently offlinemccarranmgr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

Quoting jpj777 (Reply 19):
Mccarranmgr do you see McCarren doing anything to the A & B gates in the future? you would think (hope) by 2012 the airlines will be back in full swing and there would still be a need for them even after the new terminal opens, if WN keeps growing in Vegas they would probably need all of B and with Delta's growth they could take over half of D.

Yes. That is about all I can go into however. What is going to be done at the A and B gates as well as other parts of the airport is currently being discussed. Hopefully as we get closer to T-3 opening I can make the post on Airliners on what if any changes are going to happen.  
Quoting LASoctoberB6 (Reply 18):
Every once in a while, I'll see a Delta A320 or a 757 over where Northwest used to park. What's up with that?

These closed gates are used as RONs and parking locations. Also recent changes were made so that during certain days and times of the week DAL can deplane passengers on some closed D-gates. This helps to elevate DAL hot holding for 60-90 mins at peak times.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

Quoting LASoctoberB6 (Reply 18):
Every once in a while, I'll see a Delta A320 or a 757 over where Northwest used to park. What's up with that?

Given that those gates are blocked off now from use, my guess is that Delta is parking planes there as remote parking so that they don't tie up their gates. For example, Delta has around 10 redeyes on some nights out of Las Vegas, and I believe they primarily use 7-8 gates. Add in planes coming in for the morning departures, and you've got quite the operation.


User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

With such low fares at LAS courtesy of Allegiant and Southwest i dont think any mainline can have a real hub in LAS. Its a fantastic destination for O&D but with fares so low it makes more sense to run more seats to the hubs and connect people. DL does a fantastic job and has high frequency between LAS and the hubs already.

User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5189 times:

Just a follow-on to what mccarranmgr says, most of the Allegiant (and sometime DL a/c) are parked at closed gates on the East "D" finger, solely for parking reasons. As for the gates themselves, many of the deactivated locations are perfectly capable of handling nearly type of a/c type. American would park their 767 and 777 types there, when they dropped in and NWA parked their DC-10 and 747 types there as well. Widebody types served these gates right up until they shut the finger down.

User currently offlineLASoctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

Quoting mccarranmgr (Reply 20):
This helps to elevate DAL hot holding for 60-90 mins at peak times.

Hot holding?

Quoting mccarranmgr (Reply 20):
These closed gates are used as RONs and parking locations. Also recent changes were made so that during certain days and times of the week DAL can deplane passengers on some closed D-gates.

Well, I usually see one there during the afternoon, between 13:00-15:00. But, there was an A320 over there when I hopped on DL1428 a little over two weeks ago. I would have gone over there, but they have a gate up cutting off that wing.



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User currently offlinemccarranmgr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Quoting LASoctoberB6 (Reply 24):
Hot holding?

Hot Holding is an aircraft waiting on the pad with its engines running, most of the time for DAL in vegas its to get into an occupied gate.

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 22):
With such low fares at LAS courtesy of Allegiant and Southwest i dont think any mainline can have a real hub in LAS. Its a fantastic destination for O&D but with fares so low it makes more sense to run more seats to the hubs and connect people. DL does a fantastic job and has high frequency between LAS and the hubs already.

A "Hub" probably not. A "Focus City" or "Mini Hub" within the next couple of years at LAS yes. Also when you say mainline are you referring to legacies, because I really would have a hard time not considering SWA mainline.


25 BlueF9A320 : Why did they (VX) move from D to B?
26 dldtw1962 : This is not going to go good for DL if they are having planes sit and wait for a gate. With the new rules on passanger delay fees. DL need to expand i
27 srbmod : Having a plane wait 5-10 minutes or so is cheaper than having to lease another gate. In some cases, a flight may be taking longer at a gate because i
28 apodino : Just wondering why the SE wing of the D gates is closed? Isn't that one of the original D gate wings, or is that one of the areas with Tarmac Construc
29 coopdogyo : I don't think they would add SEA considering AS flys the route 7x daily and 8x daily on Tues, Wed,Sat.
30 nwaesc : It may seem like an eternity if you're on the A/C in question, but I guarantee none are waiting anywhere near long enough to trigger any of the fines
31 mccarranmgr : In a perfect word DALs current schedule would work. However within a couple hours of the day inbound flights are late, and everything is behind for t
32 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : Yeah legacy is what i was trying to say. I agree southwest is all mainline. I dont think we will see any real legacy focus city in LAS. Its almost en
33 iowaman : A few people have mentioned this, but most of the recent traffic reports out of LAS are showing otherwise. I agree with you there. DL and UA both hav
34 srbmod : Or are cashing in frequent flier miles, which is getting more and more expensive, but that is better suited to a separate fare. Until the room occupa
35 TOLtommy : Never heard that one. Ever. Doubtful. Even as a focus city instead of hub, the yields are not there. LAS is notoriously low yield. Aircraft and peopl
36 crownvic : iowaman...The primary reason for the drop in the the numbers at LAS is because of US Airways. If you look at the other carriers, many are experiencing
37 vegasplanes : That's the catch 22 in the LAS area, it is so over-built and we now have ~ 110,000 rooms that without additional air service room occupancy rates wil
38 srbmod : Spirit, Great Lakes, and WestJet. Lets just say that I think they can put Ivanpah Aiport on the shelf for at least another 15 years, as I don't think
39 vegasplanes : Thank You Agree, though I would venture to say they can shelve it permanently. The way things are going CCDOA can buy out the warehouses along Sunset
40 LASoctoberB6 : Oh! Okay, I used to see a lot of Continental 757s come in and wait over where G4 stages their aircraft for RONs. Still kinda brokenhearted about that
41 jpj777 : I wonder if we will get any new cargo operators when the new buildings open along Burnham Ave, I believe they double the capacity we have now and if t
42 m404 : Speaking of those warehouses on the south side and their buy out availability, did that LV freeport deal ever really pan out that was planned in the 8
43 mccarranmgr : This sounds good on paper, however it will never happen. The idea has been looked at officially by the DOA and the cost would be to high. The plans a
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