FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3170 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 12601 times:
Will this replace, or supplement the ORD-FRA-DEL service?
Either way, it's a good move: AI gets to tap into UA feed at ORD, and Star Alliance can complete their ORD system. Wonder how it will do against AA's nonstop DEL-ORD...
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 12552 times:
Interesting, AA has served his route for about 5 years now. AA now has an Indian partner in Kingfisher in OW. AA will defend its turf and their huge profits. They would not have continued operating it for so long if it wasn't a huge moneymaker.
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2785 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 12533 times:
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1): Will this replace, or supplement the ORD-FRA-DEL service?
DEL - FRA will be a turnaround; a daily flight departing DEL in the afternoon. AI has just split the flights and with that FRA - ORD on AI will no longer be there.
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LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months ago) and read 11877 times:
Quoting ojas (Thread starter): According to the GDS, Effective Winter 2010, Air India will commence daily non stop flights between DEL and ORD.
AI 127/126 will originate and terminate in HYD, and this leg will be done by an A321 connector.
Best wishes to AI.
My last flight with AI on BOM-FRA was a far better experience than LH on FRA-LAX. I remember seeing a lot of connecting passengers, including many elderly passengers, from HYD on that flight bound to ORD. I am sure AI becomes an attractive option for HYD-ORD O&D market.
gauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11809 times:
thank goodness for that
good on AI for starting DEL ORD nonstop...i personally believe the AI product on the 777 is far su[erior to that of AA on all fronts..
lets see how AA respond..am sure this will do the fares a world of good too with competition on the route
great timings for the flight and superior service...interesting to see what AA does with its pet IT in its corner.
AmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2608 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11727 times:
AI ran ORD-FRA-DEL-HYD last summer (in a change from ORD-FRA-BOM-HYD in the years before) and then switched it back to the latter. So I thought DEL wasn't doing as good as BOM. Maybe the nonstop will change that.
Or...
Maybe this is AI beginning the dismantle of its FRA hub and as soon it announces a replacement hub (hopefully DUB!), it will update the GDS again to include the stop.
GlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 601 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11715 times:
Glad to see the nonstop service and tag on to HYD (this will be big with the locals). Hope they start ORD-BOM nonstop soon.
kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11692 times:
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 11): Maybe this is AI beginning the dismantle of its FRA hub and as soon it announces a replacement hub (hopefully DUB!), it will update the GDS again to include the stop.
I thought that the most recent about turn for AI ( although there have been so many it can be hard to keep track ) is that they were no longer considering a European scissor hub , but rather want to operate more non-stops services ex DEL in order to build it up as a hub .
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ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2785 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10293 times:
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 11): Maybe this is AI beginning the dismantle of its FRA hub and as soon it announces a replacement hub (hopefully DUB!), it will update the GDS again to include the stop.
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 13): I thought that the most recent about turn for AI ( although there have been so many it can be hard to keep track ) is that they were no longer considering a European scissor hub , but rather want to operate more non-stops services ex DEL in order to build it up as a hub .
AI is getting rid of it's FRA hub. So basically no more FRA - EWR/ORD flights. Also YYZ will go non stop as well, so LHR - YYZ too will henceforth not be available.
Also there is no EU scissors hub that is planned (so no DUB), they will go non stop to N. America.
[Edited 2010-07-24 21:52:17]
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abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 55 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9333 times:
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 11):
Maybe this is AI beginning the dismantle of its FRA hub and as soon it announces a replacement hub (hopefully DUB!), it will update the GDS again to include the stop.
I have my doubts too to be honest. It's strong points would be that it could carry local traffic on AI between DUB and EWR, ORD etc. and the new US Customs and Border Protection Preclearance is an advantage too. However local traffic between DUB and India would be virtually nothing and DUB's relatively short runway (10/28) would probably restrict loads on the 777-300ER.
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2785 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9107 times:
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 16): DUB is due to get confirmation on whether AI has chosen it or another airport in Europe to replace its FRA hub at the end of August.
It's going to be a no, 95% sure.
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Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8911 times:
Though obviously not for ORD, maybe AI is beginning to feel the "heat" of EK or realizes to be competitive with EK, it needs to start offering more nonstop routes before EK starts to "siphon off" even more pax.
Also, with AI eventually joining Star, it felt it doesn't want to compete with LH....
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8791 times:
Quoting ojas (Thread starter): AI 127 DEL - ORD 0105 0600 16 hrs 25 mins
Interesting since AA show 15hrs 15mins and are doing it typically in the time range according to Flight Aware of 13hrs 38min to 14hrs 15min. Winter will likely be longer but it is still quite a spread. Airways distance is typically ~ 6500 to 6600nm.
Based on the AA timetable time the ESAD is ~6950nm. Looks like in the summer, at least, AA is saving about 500nm ESAD. Certainly would help the payload.
9W748Capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 409 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8681 times:
Interesting - I'm wondering why AI has decided to go head to head with AA on this one, not that their upgraded service doesn't smack AA out of the park, but why not start ORD-BOM? Range/performance issues? Or is it due to T3 in DEL that's supposed to become the shining new gateway to India? If that's the case, then the folks at BOM can't be too thrilled about this right? Seen lots of threads/posts on here lamenting how most air traffic in India was BOM-centric - well, maybe times are changing! I wonder also what 9W will do in response - looks like their BRU scissors hub strategy didn't do much more than bleed a ton of money (although they didn't start it in the best of economies), since that was predicated on the assumption that the Indian facilities were too poor and pax wouldn't want to connect through them - well, this might change the whole perspective. Is BOM going to be similarly upgraded too? Kind of a selfish reason for asking that - usually I go to NAG and there are plenty more flights BOM-NAG than DEL-NAG...
WROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 810 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8605 times:
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1): Will this replace, or supplement the ORD-FRA-DEL service?
I thought the stop over was in LHR and not FRA?
Wasn't the stopover a requirement after 9/11 where all airlines from Middle East and Pakistan and India had to stop in Europe for a secondary screening of pax before being allowed to US or was India excluded?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21460 posts, RR: 24 Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8576 times:
Quoting WROORD (Reply 21): Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
Will this replace, or supplement the ORD-FRA-DEL service?
I thought the stop over was in LHR and not FRA?
AI terminated the JFK-LHR 5th freedom sector almost 2 years ago. I think it was September 2008. They dropped several other routes at the same time including the 5th freedom FRA-LAX route.
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2785 posts, RR: 23 Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8566 times:
Quoting WROORD (Reply 21): I thought the stop over was in LHR and not FRA?
Wasn't the stopover a requirement after 9/11 where all airlines from Middle East and Pakistan and India had to stop in Europe for a secondary screening of pax before being allowed to US or was India excluded?
ROFL, I'm speechless!!!!
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miaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 825 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8493 times:
I think this route might lower the chance of EK serving Ord as its next US destination. ORD is now served by AI, EH, RJ, and TK, is there really room for EK as well in this market, because to me it seems that ORD is pretty much covered. I am sure EK will take all this in consideration once it plans to add new flights to the US.
25 LAXDESI: I too think that ORD-BOM nonstop makes a lot of sense, and it may happen once AI has enough 788s on hand to substitute them on some of the current/pr
26 IrishAyes: I flew on the stopover ORD-LHR-DEL in December 2006 on the 747s. It was horrible. The transfer in Heathrow was miserable and led to three hour delays
27 gojetset: I am assuming that there will be Star Alliance code shares applied to this flight (UA, US, CO)
28 Viscount724: Current AI schedule shows 3 flights a week YYZ-LHR-DEL and 4 flights a week YYZ-LHR-ATQ. The ATQ flighs appear to terminate there.
29 GlobalCabotage: Or it could provoke EK to start ORD sooner than later.
30 timberwolf24: I don't see how this would affect EK to ORD. AI is not new to ORD, they have been serving ORD for over 10 years and the same for TK. RJ has been serv
31 GlobalCabotage: This will not impact EK at ORD. RJ and EY will tie in with AA, AI will tie in with UA, and EK will get a ton of O&D. I think QR is the odd one out
32 LAXDESI: Perhaps United, post merger, would take a serious look at it once it receives some 787s in 2012.
33 Nimish: I will assume not - because knowing AI, they'll not do something logical like that. Hopefully if and when they join *A, UA/ US FFPs can take this fli
34 miaintl: I still think EK will choose IAD or MIA before ORD. There really is no rush to go to that market, since its well served to Asia. EK should focus on pl
35 Flying Belgian: As usual AI ops to North America are a total mess. Every 6 months we get new versions... Commercial consistency is equal to 0. Now that they have a fu
36 Nimish: This is the first time their tentative steps are seeming to make sense. What does not help is the sporadic piecemeal announcements (or rather loads t
37 jayeshrulz: Are so much nonstops favorable in the indian market? Just a doubt, if they have 5th freedom to/from FRA, then why dont just keep a stop and use this h
38 IrishAyes: Don't forget PK...flies 2X weekly? to BCN and continues on to Karachi and Lahore
39 ojas: It will. The biggest drawback of EK at the moment is that it is a 3 weekly operation to YYZ whereas AI will be daily. Secondly, the target market fro
40 hohd: With AI starting the nonstop service on DEL-ORD, will AA now allow 2 checked bags free instead of one. AI should advertise this heavily to lure pax aw
41 AA1818: Don't AA allow 2 free bags internationally? I wouldn't know- have been AAdvantage Platinum for the past 4 years and have avoided all these added fees
42 hohd: AA allows one check in bag free for flights to Europe and India, unless you have elite status with AA or are flying business class or full fare coach.
43 Jacobin777: PK does fly ORD-BCN 2x/weekly however its Islamabad and Lahore-though both flights do continue to Karachi...
44 Kaiarahi: AI has also announced YYZ-DEL (with same flight cnx to ATQ) as a 6x weekly non-stop, starting in winter 2010. Provided they get the connections right
45 IrishAyes: Yeahhh...that's one way to sucker punch AA right in the nose...seriously you would think that with all the revenue they can walk away with from exces
46 Kaiarahi: Non-stop vs 1 stop plus the eventual * partner connections with AC should favour AI.
47 ojas: It is a daily flight, not even 6 weekly, Ive mentioned that later in that thread.
48 9W748Capt: Can we somehow compile all these new routes in the Indian Aviation thread? Would be easier to keep track of them that way. Especially as other airline
49 fortunerunnner: Good Idea. I hope Ojas can take some time and post most latest information in Indian Aviation thread since he has the most latest information about e
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