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DL Looking Into SEA-HKG?  
User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7846 times:
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I was out at my favorite spot near Sea-Tac airport today and one of the guys out there mentioned some marketing research going on about a possible SEA-HKG route. I don't know the guy so I can't say if he's a reliable source or not. I'm thinkin' not. Any truth to this?

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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Thread starter):
I was out at my favorite spot near Sea-Tac airport today and one of the guys out there mentioned some marketing research going on about a possible SEA-HKG route. I don't know the guy so I can't say if he's a reliable source or not. I'm thinkin' not. Any truth to this?

I'm sure that DL is doing research into several Asian routes from SEA one of which is likely HKG. I'm sure that if DTW-HKG works out for them that SEA-HKG will likely follow. Also, I believe that once DL upgrades the A332s, that they will be able to operate SEA-HKG. Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that.



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User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
once DL upgrades the A332s, that they will be able to operate SEA-HKG

Please elaborate. Do you mean upgrading the range of its 332s?



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

Quoting western727 (Reply 2):

He is talking about a 332IGW.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):

Has AB even put out the numbers for these birds? not around about numbers but the true blue numbers?

Anyways, with cargo that will a pretty long trip for a 332.



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User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

I hope DL has some inter-line agreement with CX beyond HKG. That would be helpful to large number of Indians in SEA region  

User currently offlinecitation501sp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

There were rumors floating around before the merger that NW was going to start HKG from SEA with the 787 I recall SYD in there too, but these were at that time rumors.


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6974 times:
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Quoting citation501sp (Reply 5):
There were rumors floating around before the merger that NW was going to start HKG from SEA with the 787 I recall SYD in there too, but these were at that time rumors.

I had heard that SEA and/or YVR were on QF's shortlist for 787 service to SYD. I can only hope. I missed the opportunity to fly QF from YVR-SFO. The price was reasonable too.

I was also hoping that SEA would see more Asian carriers like ANA (although Japan service is pretty saturated right now) or Cathay Pacific (but they have a large presence at YVR).


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7565 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

HKG-SEA and SEA-SYD was on the list of potential 787 routes at the PMNW.


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User currently onlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6537 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
I believe that once DL upgrades the A332s, that they will be able to operate SEA-HKG. Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that.




I don't believe that DL has ever actually announced they were upgrading the A332 to the hgw version.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Wasn't SEA-HKG a former NW route? Pretty sure it was flown 3 or 4 times weekly with a 747. I don't think it lasted for a very long time.

User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 4):
I hope DL has some inter-line agreement with CX beyond HKG.

With CX being a member of OneWorld and DL of SkyTeam I don't see that happening though I could be mistaken.



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

If DL did HKG from SEA would it be part of the Alaska codeshare?

User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 11):
would it be part of the Alaska codeshare?

I can't imagine DL doing it without the AS codeshare. AS/QX operates a large amount of regional feeder flights across the Pacific NW into SEA.



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlinepaulinbna From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

What about a ATL-HKG?


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User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

Quoting paulinbna (Reply 13):
What about a ATL-HKG?

This would be cool at 8,399 miles (according to gc.kls2.com)...though my uneducated guess is that it wouldn't work as well as the ATL-NRT route since ATL is quite a ways down SE in the USA while HKG is quite a ways down south in Asia (as opposed to NRT). Both combined, I would think, greatly reduce feeder opportunities as opposed to ATL-NRT with good feeder opportunities from NRT, and SEA-HKG with good feeder opportunities from SEA.



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlinedxer1974 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5935 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
I was also hoping that SEA would see more Asian carriers like ANA (although Japan service is pretty saturated right now)

If UA decided to stop their SEA-NRT flight I could see Star Alliance partner ANA taking their place and maybe bring in their new 787 on the route.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5430 times:
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Quoting western727 (Reply 10):
With CX being a member of OneWorld and DL of SkyTeam I don't see that happening though I could be mistaken.

Why not? Afterall, CX is a Mileage Plan partner.


User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5345 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 16):
Why not? Afterall, CX is a Mileage Plan partner.

Apples and oranges. AS does not belong to any global alliance so they can partner with AA, CO and DL out of SEA (mostly, anyway). AS is therefore easier for CX to partner with than with a member of a competiting alliance like DL.



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlinessides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

Quoting paulinbna (Reply 13):
What about a ATL-HKG?

SEA-HKG would become a reality before ATL-HKG, but both are unlikely, IMHO. With DL's hub at NRT, there is little reason to serve HKG nonstop, particularly with CX already being there and serving tons of connecting pax from AA.

You will see CX or AA serving SEA-HKG before DL.



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User currently offlineNWAA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 213 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 9):
Wasn't SEA-HKG a former NW route? Pretty sure it was flown 3 or 4 times weekly with a 747. I don't think it lasted for a very long time.

Yes this was a former NW route. I flew HKG-SEA on July 17th of 2006, and I remember being on the upper deck of a 747-200. Sadly the route was cancelled later that year due to weak performance.



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User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 11):
If DL did HKG from SEA would it be part of the Alaska codeshare?

It would not likely be with "Alaska" codeshare. But the "Delta" codeshare already in existence on Alaska and Horizon flights would indeed connect to a Delta flight going to any international point. The Alaska code does not appear international transoceanic.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Quoting NWAA330 (Reply 19):
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 9):
Wasn't SEA-HKG a former NW route? Pretty sure it was flown 3 or 4 times weekly with a 747. I don't think it lasted for a very long time.

Yes this was a former NW route. I flew HKG-SEA on July 17th of 2006, and I remember being on the upper deck of a 747-200. Sadly the route was cancelled later that year due to weak performance.

When did NW start SEA-HKG nonstop? I thought it was in the mid-1990s (one source says 1994) and only lasted very briefly, maybe a year or two. It sounds like they must have made another effort much later if they were operating nonstop in 2006. Was NW really still using the 747-200 on such long routes as HKG-SEA in 2006? Sounds more appropriate for the 744.

SEA-HKG was UA's 2nd international route (other than YVR and YYZ) whey they began nonstop service in May 1983 (using DC-10-30s temporarily leased from CP Air), a month after they started SEA-NRT. I forget when UA dropped SEA-HKG.

[Edited 2010-07-25 11:33:03]

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4582 times:
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Quoting NWAA330 (Reply 19):
I flew HKG-SEA on July 17th of 2006, and I remember being on the upper deck of a 747-200. Sadly the route was cancelled later that year due to weak performance.

2006? NW wasn't flying the SEA-HKG route in 2006. Nobody was flying that route in 2006.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8):

I don't believe that DL has ever actually announced they were upgrading the A332 to the hgw version.

that is also true, Does AB even have a mod for it?

Quoting ssides (Reply 18):
With DL's hub at NRT, there is little reason to serve HKG nonstop

then whats the point of SEA-PEK/KIX and DTW-NGO/HKG/ICN/PVG?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31433 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3814 times:
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Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 23):
that is also true, Does AB even have a mod for it?

Yes, recent built (within the last few years) A330-200s with the 233t MTOW can be adapted to support a 238t MTOW per Airbus statements.


25 western727 : What modifications does this entail? And does it go straight to 5k lbs. of extra fuel, payload, or a combination of the two?
26 NWAA330 : Ahh, so sorry about that, I meant 1996! NWAA330
27 HNL-Jack : The problem with HKG is that it is very dependent upon O&D traffic as it offers few high demand market connections, unllike NRT. A flight between
28 ktachiya : I could see this happening in the future but not the immediate future. DL at least stated to the people in the aviation industry in Japan at least tha
29 centrair : I have to agree here. YVR already has non-stop service and a much larger and deeper connection both with business, culture and politics. SEA is not a
30 baw716 : I think UA will be around for awhile...they just signed a deal with Vladivostok Air to provide feed to their routes to the Russian Far East. There is
31 panamair : I think you guys are getting confused about inter-lining versus codeshares. DL interlines today with many carriers from various alliances, including
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