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America West To Expand CMH Hub  
User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

America West is greatly enhancing their route structure from Port Columbus International Airport.

Announced in March, America West Express will no longer be operatede by Mesa Airlines from CMH. Chautauqua Airlines will gradually takeover the current Mesa CRJ flights from Columbus with their fleet of ERJ-145 aircraft. Mesa's nine CRJ's based in Columbus will return to Phoenix and Chautauqua will base 12, with the possibility of up to 24, ERJ's at Port Columbus.

The first ERJ route will begin on August 1, with 3 new daily flights from Columbus to Atlanta. Then in September, three of America West Express' 5 daily flights between Columbus to Newark.

America West is adding a fifth daily flight to Phoenix from Columbus in September. The airline is also upgrading two of their nonstops to PHX from A320 to 757 aircraft, signifying the return of the airline's largest aircraft to their CMH hub.

America West is adding 3 daily nonstop flights to Toronto in September. America West will be terminating their once-daily flight between Phoenix and Toronto, so this will allow America West passengers traveling to YYZ to make connections in Columbus. Currently, there are no cities served from Columbus that are not served nonstop from Phoenix.

I believe these steps reaffirm America West's commitment to their Columbus hub. I hope that these new and upgraded flights work well for the airline. Any comments regarding America West's expansion in Columbus are more than welcome.

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8869 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Now, I wonder if Delta will step up so AW doesn't come in and take away its largest carrier at CMH operation. They have two new gates, and I see BOS-CMH in ACJet's near future.

Jeff


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

America West and Delta are in a dogfight here in Columbus. Both control about 19% of the market at CMH each. While America West flies more daily flights to more destinations, Delta flies much larger aircraft. Delta already announced that they are doubling the number of gates leased at Port Columbus, and as DeltAirlines said, more destinations seem to be on the horizon.

If Boston service is started, it will be very interesting to see how things turn out. America West is currently the dominant carrier to BOS, with 5 daily CRJ's, then American Eagle has 4 daily ERJ-135's. If Delta were to start say 2 or 3 daily 328JET flights to BOS, I think it would work for them. Delta has a very strong SkyMiles population here, and their recently added LaGuardia service is doing very well. It would probably affect American Eagle the most.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

However right now it seems that America West is only able to, or only wants to expand using a partner's RJs... which is not great but not bad either. But it seems that Columbus can support several airlines competing in the same markets. Columbus is itself, and the surrounding area, fairly big and places like Boston and New York are naturally large markets. It would be interesting to see what happens if and when America West could bring in mainline jets to expand more.

I didn't know about the Toronto service being moved? Will it still be operated by the 'Bus or will that become an RJ as well? I guess the market wasn't big enough and too seasonal and probably well served by Air Canada from Phoenix.



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User currently offlineAmerica West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

What? No more America West CRJ's at CMH? Crying At least we'll be getting more of the America West 757's. Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I'm glad that they are expanding more in Columbus. Smokin cool They have needed to for a while now.



User currently offlineMbird139 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

FlyCMH ---

Currently, there are no cities served from Columbus that are not served nonstop from Phoenix

Not true. No nonstop flights are offered between PHX--->LGA or between PHX--->RSW (seasonal). The regional jets are perfect for expansion from CMH though. New flights added to ORD and BDL have done well, especially ORD. My only question regarding CMH is the lack of terminal space for a major expansion plan.

Mike


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Chautauqua has a MX facility at FWA. Any chance of an FWA-CMH route?


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Mbird139, add MDW to that list. CMH is the only non-stop HP destination from MDW. It's great that HP is focusing more attention to the CMH hub after years of neglect. I'm surprised that Toronto got moved to CMH, but I hope it goes well. FlyCMH do you know if those will be operated by mainline or by Chautaqua? Also I think the timeline for ERJ's to come online in CMH is faster than what you mentioned. I heard that they're expected to start serving regular Mesa destinations as soon as August.



User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Well, it looks like I left out quite a few cities that are served only from CMH with America West...lol.

It's true, Chicago Midway and New York LaGuardia have service only to Columbus with America West. However, for example, a passenger in Phoenix wishing to travel to New York City can find a nonstop to JFK, the passenger would not have to connect through CMH to get to New York.

DesertJets: according to America West's website, the Toronto flights will be operated by Mesa CRJ's, probably those that once flew between CMH and EWR. They will most likely change to ERJ's once complete integration has been accomplished.

AmericaWest: though the CRJ's will leave Columbus, they will be replaced with ERJ-145's. Since 12 of them will be based in Columbus instead of Mesa's previous 9, it is allowing for the expansion that is taking place. Also, it will allow America West to focus operations out West, and allow Chautauqua to focus on the East/Midwest.

Mbird139: currently work is being done on expanding Port Columbus' Concourse C. 5 gates will be added to the concourse and work should be completed by the summer of 2002. However, Delta has already announced they will lease four of those gates, and it is most likely that the 5th gate will go to Southwest. Delta will move from it's current two gates in Concourse C to the four new gates, leaving only 2 free gates in the entire airport. Two new gates are also being added to Concourse A, though I'm not sure who will lease them. America West operates from Concourse B, and utilizes gates B1, B2, B4, B5, B6, B7, B8, and B9. With American's buyout of TWA, their operations at gate B3 will be consolidated to American's current 3 gates. This allow America West to go ahead and takeover B3. Port Columbus also already has a master plan for the next 100 years. Since the current terminal complex is at capacity, a new terminal will be built along International Gateway, the airport's main road. The new terminal will be built 8 gates at a time as demand warrants.

JetService: I'm really hoping that America West Express starts service between Columbus and Fort Wayne, as well as Toledo, for several reasons. First, it would provide regional feed into the America West system from Columbus, which is currently almost non-existant. Secondly, it would provide a low-fare alternative for FWA, and a second one for TOL. Both airport are underserved, especially TOL, I think passengers would support a new choice in air service, especially with the possible loss of Comair. Service to TOL and FWA would allow Continental passengers to take advantage of codeshare flights though CMH. TOL and FWA recently lost Continental Express service to CLE. So for example, a Continental frequent flier member can fly from Houston to Columbus on Continental, then take advantage of an America West codeshare flight to get to his final destination in Fort Wayne. Also, connecting through CMH would provide a convinient alternative to large congested hubs like Chicago and Detroit. Walking distance from B9 to B1 is about 5 minutes, and CMH's two parallel runways can handle simultaneous landings.

CactusA319: you're probably correct about the ERJ's taking over CRJ routes in August. I know CMH-ATL starts Aug. 1 with ERJ's, but I'm not aware of which other cities that will get ERJ's before September.


User currently offlineAmerica West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2167 times:

Mbird139,

>>My only question regarding CMH is the lack of terminal space for a major expansion plan.<<

CMH is expanding a concourse and a new terminal is going to be built along International Gateway Dr. I don't know when it will be done but it is going to add on 34 more gates to Port Columbus International. That should bring along more service, routes and airlines.

http://www.port-columbus.com/custom_code/frameset.cfm


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2153 times:

With these extra few RJs coming available from Chataqua I would expect mainly O&D type routes to sprout up. I would expect something like CMH-MSY, CMH-CLT, maaaaaybe CMH-PIT. Hopefully the agreement includes some options on ERJs so AmWest could expand more out of CMH as space and demand warrants. The good thing about using the RJs, is that they can be turned around pretty quickly and don't need to spend much time on the ground. The 4 or so CRJ gates at Sky Harbor are always busy with planes coming and going. So even with a limited number of gates you can get a decent number of flights out of them, and still save a few (let's say 3) gates to handle the bigger jets.

What HP flights out of Columbus are still mainline??? PHX, LAS, LAX for sure. Is EWR all mainline and DCA too??? I always though Boston was about half and half.

In addition to the RJs I hope HP has to ability to introduce more mainline flights... perhaps SFO, SEA, SNA(if they monkey around with their slots there), perhaps Florida....

But with the reallocation of resources going on here I expect to see these 9 CRJs ending up at Las Vegas giving much needed feed there... plus with the CRJ-700/900s coming a lot of interesting things are to come.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2151 times:


HP still has mainline flights to BOS (one), DCA, one to BDL (I think), and EWR, as well as PHX and LAS. They dropped LAX (again).


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2149 times:

I think CMH-MSY, as well as CMH-MCI would be very good O&D destinations that could be served by America West Express ERJ's. According to the latest DOT figures, over 200 people fly daily between Columbus and Kansas City, and about 110 fly daily between Columbus and New Orleans. CLT and PIT routes are owned by USAirways from CMH. I could see these two cities served from PHX though.

The mainline situation has deteriorated, but now looks to be getting better. At the lowest point, we had 9 mainline flights:
1 A320 to LAX
4 A320's to PHX
2 A320's to LAS
1 A320 and 1 A319 to DCA.
With the new schedule, LAX and DCA will stay the same, but PHX will be upped to 5 daily flights, and 2 A320's will go to 757's. Also during the winter, America West's two A320's to LAS will also be upgraded to 757's. I'm hoping that for now, America West will increase regional jet traffic, and once a significant amount of connecting traffic flows through CMH, they can begin to upgrade some flights to mainline aircraft.

I think San Francisco is a given for America West. Over 500 people fly daily from Columbus to the San Francisco bay area. I'm sure America West could profitably run 1 daily flight with an A319 between the two cities. Seattle and San Diego would also be great additions, but I don't think there is quite enough demand currently to profitably run a flight from Columbus to either city. Though with expanded regional flying from CMH, maybe connecting traffic along with O&D demand will be great enough to start these flights.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2144 times:

LAX was restarted at the end of last year. The sole CMH-BOS A319 will be replaced by 2 CRJ's. DCA, BDL, and EWR are all RJ.

User currently offlineBHMAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 140 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2138 times:

FlyCMH this is all very interesting info. I think the points you make about the number of passengers flying between CMH and SFO definitely would warrant at least a single A319 nonstop by HP. However I don't know how many aircraft HP has in its stable. I'm sure they want to put them on the most profitable routes. With WN offering one stop service to OAK (30 mins. or less to downtown SFO via BART) via PHX and LAS, I wonder if HP could charge enough on the route to attract enough people who would pay the extra for the nonstop to make the flight high yield. I'm certainly not an expert, just some thoughts.

I would also like to find out about traffic between my home airport, Birmingham, Ala. and certain cities also. How do you access these Dept. of Transportation stats?

Regards,

Keith


User currently offlineBHMAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 140 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2132 times:

Another question FlyCMH. Are those 9 or more mainline flights a day together in 1 bank or are they spread out with the RJ's in other banks? Do you know how many banks HP has per day at CMH?

Regards,

Keith


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

It would be great to see America West reinstate CMH-Florida service. They currently have seasonal CMH-RSW flights, but year-round service to TPA, FLL, MCO is what America West needs. By the way, what ever happened to that short-lived daily CMH-PBI roundtrip that existed for about 3 months in the Spring of 98?


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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

BHMAL: you make a very valid point. Currently, I don't think America West has enough aircraft to go after a new route. But I think they are set to receive 6 additional Airbus aircraft this year, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. LAX has been doing well since they restarted the service last year, and it would be nice to have an additional Western destination for both connecting traffic, and also to meet the current O&D demand.
As to where I found the stats from the DOT, follow this link:

http://ostpxweb.ost.dot.gov/aviation/domestic-competition//

Click on "Airline Industry Data." Then click on "Domestic Consumer Air Fare Reports." After that, scroll down until you see "Fourth Quarter 2000" and then click on "Table 6." It will then provide you a list of cities in the United States in alphabetical order and cities served. I find it very informative.
I think America West has two banks of mainline flights, 1 in the early morning, and one in the early evening. America West Express banks are also in the morning as well as late afternoon, and an additional bank in the late evening. This is based purely on observation.

Jmc1975: I could write a college thesis about America West and their short-lived Florida service from CMH. America West once served both TPA and MCO several times daily. Then Delta Express and Southwest launched service to both cities from Columbus. America West then greatly decreased service to TPA and MCO, but decided to then offer seasonal service to Miami, West Palm Beach, Ft. Meyers, and Ft. Lauderdale. Apparently, the flights were unprofitable, so America West decided to drop all flights to Florida, a critical mistake. As soon as America West discontinued all flights to Florida, Delta Express and Southwest increased service to Orlando and Tampa, Delta Express started seasonal service to Ft. Meyers, and American Eagle started seasonal service to Miami. America West decided to try Florida again, and has been doing well offering seasonal service to Ft. Meyers with A319's during the winter, plus an additional flight with a CRJ on weekends. I don't think they will try MCO or TPA again from Columbus, but I could see seasonal service to FLL. Demand is greater to FLL than to RSW, so I would think they could operate a seasonal A319 profitably.


User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

FlyCMH

While I am pleased to see Americ West expanding in CMH, I was surprised to see that Houston wasn't added along with Dallas. Any chance we'll see CMH-IAH in the near future?

Brian



Go Astros!
User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

I just saw the press release, this is all very exciting! I too was also surprised that Houston was not introduced as well, though maybe since it's a Continental code-share route, they didn't want to pursue it. It definitely looks like America West is going on a hub raid from Columbus. They're going after Delta's ATL hub, AirCanada's YYZ hub, and American's DFW hub. I definitely think the ATL route will work well for them, as well as YYZ. I'm somewhat worried about DFW though, since American already has 5 MD-80's flying between CMH and DFW. Hopefully America West will be able to find enough passengers to operate the route profitably. But I definitely applaud America West's continued commitment to Columbus.

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6581 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

I went and looked at schedules for September for America West at the CMH hub, and it does indeed look like mainline service will be at 10 daily flights (5 to PHX, 2 each to LAS and DCA, 1 to LAX). Everything else will be RJ service unless and until the seasonal mainline flight to RSW is reinstated.

The problem that America West faces at CMH is the exact same problem they face at LAS and PHX; namely erosion of yields due to Southwest Airlines. And, incidentally, HP was fourth in O&D market share (in 2000) at CMH, behind DL, US, and WN, in that order. If you look at the list of cities they serve or will serve from CMH, the vast majority did not have competition from WN until earlier this year (WN added CMH-BWI and CMH-PHX). The fleet plan released today shows a planned increase of four mainline aircraft this year and one next year. Given that, HP needs to pick its battles carefully (especially given a weak economy) and I believe they will continue to focus on their larger operations at PHX and LAS.


User currently offlineSforamper From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

For the last few months the rumor here has been a new daily flight nonstop SFO-CMH-SFO but there are two problems with this ;
1- the available gates at SFO, currently we share gates with TWA, ATA and National , 2 more LAS flights will be added come August from SFO and I dont really know where well put em, BUT TWA will be moving to AA side in October leaving gates available for us.

2- Talking to a captain the other day I brought up CMH and the possibility of SFO flghts, he said he's heard rumors also but the problem seems to be the lack of aircraft available and according to him once we take more delivery of airbuses SFO-CMH could become a reality, he also speculated that the A319 would be used.

It makes a lot of sense to have this nonstop, its amazing the amount of bags we get to CMH connecting thru LAS and PHX plus the fact that there wouldnt be much competition , im not sure if UA serves this.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Currently, there is no nonstop service by any airline from SFO to Columbus. United has to connect their passenger thru DEN or ORD.


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User currently offlineFlybulldog From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

I would love to see a CMH-SFO direct flight, but I'd fly with a connection if it was cheaper! In the past, TWA has been the cheapest carrier from CMH to SFO.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

I definately believe that HP will have to carefully pick and choose their battles in the next few years. But the advantage to using Chataqua's RJs is that there is little risk to HP in opening a new route, except a bleeding financial loss. It seems that they are carefully picking markets with enough O&D out of Columbus to be successful on their own. While there seem to be more connecting opportunities... MDW,ORD,DFW to east coast and vice versa.... most other cities can be connected via PHX or LAS. But in this strategy they need to carefully pick new mainline service too. CMH-SFO would be a likely bet with an A319... Florida would be lower on the list as it is a leisure destination and heavily served. With only 6 or 7 more A319s coming on this year, and probably all spoken for new routes will be at a premium. And most will come out of PHX or LAS. Given the current softness of the economy I think in order to explore these new markets America West should consider some short term leases on additional 733s. These could be used to displace Buses on shorter routes in and out of Phoenix so that they can be moved to new routes or expand existing service system wide. Unfortunately I am not in charge.


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