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JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway  
User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

I saw today thay jetBlue now has a bus running between T6 and the subway station at Jamaica, NY to connect with the LIRR and the MTA lines. They are only charging $5 for the service - another interesting innovation at jetBlue.

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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Theres another way to lower seat/mile costs....

come on Neeleman


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6219 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

JetBlue always coming up with new and innovative ideas.
Chepos
Puerto Rico



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User currently onlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

That's a very good idea...anything to help overcome the perception that JFK is "too far away" from Manhattan, when in fact it's closer than ORD is to downtown Chicago. This bus service is probably a stopgap measure until the JFK "AirTrain" monorail is completed and hooks pax at all terminals up to the railroads and buses for free.

Don't begrudge Neeleman his $5 for the service. It helps keep fares down.

Jim



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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

I can't belive anyone else didn't think of that one/

User currently offlinePilot3xx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Its gotta be JetBlue!

User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1259 times:

Way to go JetBlue my foot!

There has always been bus service between JFK and Jamaica Station. It has always stopped at all of the terminals and went to the Jamaica Station. There has always also been a bus between the terminals and the A-Train that runs to JFK.

No new innovation here. I have taken the bus, long before JetBlue was even a dream.



User currently offlineAirnondo From Moldova, joined May 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1258 times:

Wonder if this is a preemptive measure for CO's soon-to-be-built EWR-Manhat. rail line.

User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1252 times:

There is a EWR Manhatten rail connection that you have to access via a bus from the airport.

No it is not a preemptive strike, it is a means of getting passengers into an airport that is relatively difficult to access via mass transit.

$45-75 dollars to ride from the city. $35 via car from Brooklyn. $10-15 from Queens via car (by car I mean car {taxi} service.

Via mass transit, it can take upwards of 2 hours from door step to terminal to get to JFK. Hence the volume of traffic at easier to acces LGA and EWR compared to JFK.


User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Yes, Exusair, I have taken the "original" bus service myself. The difference with the new jetBlue service is that it goes non-stop (well if you can count being on the van Wyck nonstop) from T6 to Jamaica. Often times the trip around the terminal lasted longer than the trip to the station. Also, jetBlue will be able to control the customer service issue on these buses - I have encountered some less than friendly staff on the Airporter Express lines. You're right Exusair - jetBlue didnt invent the bus shuttle service - they just improved upon it drastically.

User currently offlineN509JB From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

god, is this really bothering you that much?

sure EWR and LGA might be easier to get to. but youll be waiting on the taxiway for god knows how long.

no, it might now be something new. but it does show our pax that we go out of our way for them. to explore alternatives, to give options.

i dont know what else to say...

N


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

I don;t love it.

Neeleman has stated that he wants to lower seat/mile costs by like 4 cents this year which is like 8-10%. Thats pretty heady and difficult with all these new services. Chartering a bus and paying for labor, insurance, gas, maintenance, storage etc will do nothing to lower seat mile costs and I don;t believe will be a tremendous business getter for the airline.

I would like to see further steps at JetBlue lowering costs through increased effeciencies et al rather then costly new dubious customer service enhancements.

Wait till that area meal thing is started if ever.....

hey jim  Smile hope summer is happy/healthy

rgds
russ


User currently offlineTrue Blue From United States of America, joined May 2001, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

once again, JetBlue rises above all the other airlines in meeting the needs of their passengers. A lot of first time flyers are impressed with their service, this will only lead to them attracting more customers. I wonder what will be next?

User currently offline767-322ETOPS From United States of America, joined May 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

The bus is a nice idea, but you still have to take the A train all the way out there -- not so nice.

How many people are going to board a subway with luggage etc. when they can catch an airporter shuttle bus for $13 from a multitude of hotels in manhattan?



User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

Isn't there a bus service between JFK and the Jamica Station already.. I am sure I saw the shuttle bus a few times... Someone help me...

I can't wait for the momorail to get going.. How is it progressing?



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User currently onlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

Hey Russ...summer's great here. I'm in Rochester for a week, where the world is greener than I thought possible. My mom says rains have been heavy. Upstate New York is so beautiful...forests, fields, lake shore and marsh ponds, and it's all brighter green than the color tweaking on an HP scanner could make it.  Smile

Still, I would have been MUCH happier making my Southwest flight right into Rochester International Airport than having to fly to BUF. Another letter to Southwest will be written shortly.

When is the AirTrain at JFK supposed to open? That will make for train service right from T6 to Manhattan, even if it does involve a couple of changes. That changes the JFK picture drastically....trains don't sit in expressway traffic.

I take the Maryland Transit Authority's MARC commuter trains from DC to BWI, and it's great. From the DC Metro system, four blocks from my house, it's two trains, a short bus ride (which will be replaced by a people mover train in a few years) and I'm at BWI. MARC costs $5. You can't beat it, especially as car traffic around BWI becomes more congested.

When the JFK AirTrain opens, JetBlue will probably pitch it heavily. If I remember right, there's not subway access to LaGuardia, only expensive cabs. And subways don't have to sit in expressway traffic.

Jim



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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

>>And subways don't have to sit in expressway traffic.

Yeah, but there are times when you wished you weren't on the train when the delays/problems start. While it doesn't happen often, it's sure a pain when it does. If you are a frequent rider, like myself you'll come to understand what the term "sick passenger" means.

While there is no direct subway to LGA, you can take the E/F/7 line to Roosevelt and the Q33 (I could be wrong on that bus#) It's acutally quicker to do the 7 train/Q33 bus option to LGA then it is A train/shuttle bus to JFK from Manhattan. I've done the 7/Q33 many times and the A train past Howard Beach/JFK every night.

Michael



User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

And let's not forget, Mikephotos, the dynamite M60 across 125th St. that can take you from the Upper (or Yupper) West Side (stops at the 1/9 and A stations) to LGA.
i do this all the time and when you go against traffic, it is like 25 minutes from my house in Washington Heights to LGA.
all for $1.50

Why they don't have subway trains and the LIRR to JFK and subways to LGA is beyond me but with the NIMBYism of today I fear this ain't gonna happen.

I'd like to know more about the bus train link to EWR, I thought EWR had no public transport to Manhattan until the monorail to the new station is built.





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User currently offlineAirnondo From Moldova, joined May 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

EWR does (and has for some time) have bus service to Manhatten... I just used it to lounge in Central Park on a 6 hour EWR layover. Several different routes, the one I took dropped me off at the port commission transit station (@ times square). Though it did cost $20.



User currently offlinePsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 518 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Mike:

You're right re: Q33 to LGA. It's operated by Triboro Coach under contract to New York City DOT.

Triboro's site:

http://www.triborocoach.com

The bus to JFK is the Q10, operated by Green Bus Lines:

http://www.greenbus.com


User currently onlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

Thanks all for the info on subway-bus service to LGA. The bus from EWR has sure gone up in price....when I flew PEOPLExpress to EWR and took a bus to the city in 1985, the bus fare was $6 one way.

Once the transit service to JFK is all train, that should make JFK much more attractive to people all over the region. At least in my own experience, a major city airport free of using congested roads, can't be beat. I can be productive on trains, reading dense books for my studies, for instance. It's not "lost time" like if I were driving, and I'm not worrying about traffic like if I were on a bus.

Yes trains can be delayed....last year the Washington Metro was having switching problems as scads of 25-year old switch nodes were burning out, and there were a lot of delays. They fixed them all and things are better this year. But as you say trains aren't completely perfect either. They sure have a lot better, um, track record than road transport in big cities.

I too am surprised that there isn't a subway line direct to LaGuardia's terminal. The Washington Metro station at Reagan National Airport is a huge success and it's hard to imagine DCA without it.

Jim



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User currently offlinePsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 518 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

I think that the Port Authority is setting up the Airtrain for failure with a proposed $5 fare as published in the DEIS a couple of years ago. They won't attract either of the two markets for city-airport rail travel.

The business traveller, with just a briefcase, is on an expense account and will most likely continue to use taxis or the New York Airport Service bus. Nobody will pay a LIRR fare to transfer to a $5 Airtain.

The "backpack crowd" that now uses the free Port Authority shuttle bus to get to the A train at Howard Beach will be forced to pay $6.50 [up from the current $1.50] to reach Manhattan. Expect them to switch to the Q10 bus/subway connection which will remain $1.50 if you use MetroCard.

Nowhere else in the USA does a transit service charge an outlandish fare to get to the airport. Atlanta and Chicago both have excellent rapid transit links to downtown which do not require a transfer. They charge a regular transit fare.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1096 times:

Airtrain goes where? Just to the subway station right, its not even a direct route to Manhattan. And once at the subway, its like 50 mins to NYC. Yeah I don;t think Airtrain is optimal.

rgds
russ


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1097 times:

I wonder if the MTA in New York would like to get its hands on the AirTrain and make it the new JFK train...they had one from Midtown Manhatten in the 80s, it followed the A Train tracks but stopped only at a few major stations.

Jeff


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