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Air Berlin To Join Oneworld  
User currently offlinespeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24749 times:

Hi

According to internal sources at BA, and here

http://www.finanzen.net/nachricht/ak...neworld-832557

[Edited 2010-07-26 09:46:10]

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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24758 times:

Wow! Oneworld has taken off the gloves.

User currently offlineMacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24752 times:
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This would be great, but not all rumors come true. But I hope this one does.

Anyone have any verifiable sources?



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User currently offlinespeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24709 times:

Codeshare Agreement with AA and AY has been signed to operate from November 1st, 2010 to USA/Bermuda and Asia.

BA will take the lead in working with AB for full membership.


User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24727 times:

The best source is oneworld itself:

Air Berlin has accepted an invitation to join the oneworld® global alliance - and is to develop co-operative agreements with group members American Airlines and Finnair.

Full details will be announced tomorrow (Tuesday 27 July 2010) at a briefing in Berlin at 1330 local time (1130 GMT) hosted by:

•Air Berlin Chief Executive Joachim Hunold
•British Airways Chief Executive Willie Walsh
•American Airlines President Tom Horton
•Finnair Chief Executive Mika Vehvilainen
•oneworld Managing Partner John McCulloch
This briefing will be available to view via a webcast live and, afterwards, on demand.

•To view the webcast in German, go to airberlin.com/pk_oneworld
•To view the webcast in English, go to airberlin.com/pressconference_oneworld

Further information will be made available then.

http://www.oneworld.com/ow/news/details?objectID=22473



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24602 times:

This is a huge move for oneWorld. Air Berlin is exactly who they needed to fill in the gaps. Hopefully Air Berlin goes forward with its new lie-flat business product that was put on hold after the financial crisis in 2008, and I assume that in due time Air Berlin will also join the alliance's ATI.

In the U.S., Air Berlin already has three of AA's hubs well covered with LAX-DUS, JFK-DUS, MIA-DUS and MIA-TXL.



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User currently offlinecopenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24584 times:

Wow that is some interesting news. Did not see it come, he he. I have suddenly changed my mind about OneWorld in a positive way.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24495 times:

Waw, I have been saying that OW needed Air Berlin for more than a year now... And finally, we will have AB join...

This is great news for OW. All OW pax can now rely on AB if they live in Central Europe.

I guess flyNiki will also join as a regional partner.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24502 times:

F**king awesome!!!!!

With all the struggling ORD-FRA has had, this should put an end to that! JFK-FRA is an almost certainty now!



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User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24408 times:

Air Berlin says it's true...

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...lin-to-join-oneworld-alliance.html


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24403 times:

It will be interesting how and if Air Berlin shifts itself into more a traditional network airline to mesh better with OW partners.
AB is still heavily a leisure airline with large seasonal variation in its network, including long haul flying.



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24364 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
F**king awesome!!!!!

With all the struggling ORD-FRA has had, this should put an end to that! JFK-FRA is an almost certainty now!

This is a huge chance for the new Berlin airport BBI. Since LH and Star are neglecting BBI for long haul flights, Air Berlin and One World can build a new hub here.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24308 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
It will be interesting how and if Air Berlin shifts itself into more a traditional network airline to mesh better with OW partners.

I think Air Berlin's model is the right one for European Operations. A kind of Hybrid service with sandwiches offered as well as BoB. Some interlining is offered but you'll have to pay for some extras.



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User currently offlineElbowRoom From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24311 times:

Well this changes the weather! Germany gains a hook into an alliance other than Star. Oneworld gains a strong new partner.

Fantastic news.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24273 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
It will be interesting how and if Air Berlin shifts itself into more a traditional network airline to mesh better with OW partners.
AB is still heavily a leisure airline with large seasonal variation in its network, including long haul flying.

It's a win-win for both.

OneWorld gains access, finally, to a large central Europe-based carrier.

Air Berlin gains access to the benefits of joining an alliance and can transform itself into more of a network-style carrier, which it clearly has been attempting to do, even as it does still have leisure-heavy network.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4992 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24264 times:

I wonder how soon they'll try to get ATI with the rest of their new TATL friends?

[Edited 2010-07-26 10:16:21]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24223 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
JFK-FRA is an almost certainty now!

Except the fact that AB is rather small at Frankfurt with basically bunch of oddball sea/sun charters to Spain and Greece.
Only true schedule service is some low frequency flying to HAM/VIE/TXL, but timings hardly conducive for AA connections.
I would not expect FRA to act as a network bridge.



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24150 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Except the fact that AB is rather small at Frankfurt with basically bunch of oddball sea/sun charters to Spain and Greece.
Only true schedule service is some low frequency flying to HAM/VIE/TXL, but timings hardly conducive for AA connections.
I would not expect FRA to act as a network bridge.

FRA is in LH´s and Star Alliance hands, it is best to focus on DUS or the new Berlin airport.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24097 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Except the fact that AB is rather small at Frankfurt with basically bunch of oddball sea/sun charters to Spain and Greece.
Only true schedule service is some low frequency flying to HAM/VIE/TXL, but timings hardly conducive for AA connections.
I would not expect FRA to act as a network bridge.

Yes, but AA has been toying with JFK-FRA on a 75L for a bit now. With ATI coming around, it would have been enough to boost it to a go ahead. With AB's FRA schedule (albeit smaller than TXL or DUS), it wont hurt.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24059 times:

Apparently Air Berlin and American will also announce a codeshare independent of this.

What this basically means is that AA/AB will be codesharing before the formalities and membership are complete, possibly as soon as October/November.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24025 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
It's a win-win for both.

It might be, but seems a bit of an odd combo to me as AB is hardly a traditional airline with a network that can be nicely slotted into an alliance.
They mostly are a lower frequency, point-to-point operator with single class offering. Not exactly the network or product offering that matches OW peers, or would be the most conducive for alliance traffic flow.

I guess to me on the surface this "win" is bigger for AB as it gives them a boost in name recognition outside Germany, while building their legitimacy at home as ever more viable alternative to the LH juggernaut.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Apparently Air Berlin and American will also announce a codeshare independent of this.

Yes effective Nov 1st according to the article.

[Edited 2010-07-26 10:39:37]


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4992 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23954 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):


It might be, but seems a bit of an odd combo to me as AB is hardly a traditional airline with a network that can be nicely slotted into an alliance.
They mostly are a lower frequency, point-to-point operator with single class offering. Not exactly the network or product offering that matches OW peers, or would be the most conducive for alliance traffic flow.

Not many other options for OW on the Continent. I'm sure there will be some interesting moves by AB as they move forward.



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23875 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Apparently Air Berlin and American will also announce a codeshare independent of this.

What this basically means is that AA/AB will be codesharing before the formalities and membership are complete, possibly as soon as October/November.

Pure speculation on my part, but I'd expect an application shortly for Air Berlin to join the oneworld ATI such that it could begin immunized participation within days of formally joining oneworld, just like CO did with Star Alliance.



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User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23782 times:

I am very happy at this news!! Whilst AB is a quality airline, it is still an LCC and as such, does this indicate a shift on OW's part, away from fewer airlines, more quality, to greater connectivity? Have they finally realised that quality is all well and good, but if you can't get people where they want to go, they won't fly you? And could this in turn bring about greater OW expansion with quality LCC airlines, such as B6 and GOL etc?

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11405 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23715 times:

Wow big news from oneworld - although not entirely unexpected, as some have been predicting this for a while for the reasons highlighted already.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):
It might be, but seems a bit of an odd combo to me as AB is hardly a traditional airline with a network that can be nicely slotted into an alliance.
They mostly are a lower frequency, point-to-point operator with single class offering. Not exactly the network or product offering that matches OW peers, or would be the most conducive for alliance traffic flow.

I tend to agree.

On the face of it, I can see the broad logic. If nothing else, Air Berlin gives oneworld a loyalty base of flyers in Europe's largest country and most important economy who it can now try and shift onto oneworld flights around the world and divert away from Star/Lufthansa. Plus, that can only increase - in my mind - as Air Berlin shifts more towards orienting to business markets, etc. in the future and potentially joins ATI, in which case oneworld can then begin to cater to German business clients and corporate contracts by leveraging Air Berlin's network.

But, all that being said, I do think it will be interesting to see how this works since Air Berlin is definitely a different cultural fit for oneworld than, say, BA or even Iberia - much more leisure-oriented, much less long-haul, etc.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):
I guess to me on the surface this "win" is bigger for AB as it gives them a boost in name recognition outside Germany, while building their legitimacy at home as ever more viable alternative to the LH juggernaut.

Absolutely.

I'm sure Air Berlin probably has longer-term designs to break of its historical mold as a leisure-oriented holiday operator and penetrate more into business markets, and they no doubt see oneworld as a vehicle to do that. And, they may well end up being right.


25 avek00 : Air Berlin in its current form is a sitting duck, and now the airline can work in earnest to tweak itself into something that compete against the Luf
26 9252fly : WS could also be a good fit now that Oneworld is a bit more open-minded about inviting perceived LCC to join. I would also suspect they are applying
27 DTWHKG : Great. Now oneworld really has some nice IATA codes like AA, AB, BA. I bet the next to join will be BB.
28 avek00 : I think it has more to do with the reality that many of the cost and product distinctions between the large LCCs and legacy airlines have largely blu
29 MAH4546 : And even showing more of your point how the line is blurred, snacks, drinks and newspapers are already free on Air Berlin.
30 speedmarque : BA said they wanted to merge with more carriers. Wonder if AB is the new Deutsche BA...................[Edited 2010-07-26 11:04:34]
31 AA787 : I can envision oneworld possible developing an alliance of high quality LCC's such as B6, AB, WS, and G3. It is an interesting concept.
32 Post contains images speedbird19 : With regards to AirBerlin being a low cost airline, look at AirEuropa with SkyTeam
33 avek00 : I'm not so sure about B6. IMO, Lufthansa bought the AB stake as an offensive move to block any form of cooperation between AB and B6. I'm sure some f
34 C010T3 : Yes, I really hope that too. I always thought that AB was awful quiet about its BBI plans. AB adopting the hub-and-spoke model at BER would be a drea
35 McMax : What's shocking to me is not that Air Berlin joined oneworld, but that oneworld has been moving so fast with new members in the last year. Especially
36 Byrdluvs747 : What comparisons are you making? BA's narrow body planes are essentially single class. While not spectacular, AB does offer a J seat to JFK, LAX, CUN
37 Post contains links commavia : B6 has way more to gain strategically - long term - from AA/oneworld than LH/Star. Star is the weakest of the three alliances - by far - at JFK, and
38 speedbird9 : They did say they wanted to compete with Star and Skyteam hubs so I guess Germany would be a good place to start. Great news for oneworld and another
39 Post contains images columba : There will definitely be more AA flights to Germany, especially to BER and DUS and more AB flights to the US. I believe that Oneworld will take the c
40 Post contains links LAXintl : Take a look at AB's fleet. All the narrowbody models are high density LCC configurations. http://www.airberlin.com/site/flotte.php?LANG=eng 73G = 144
41 BlueSky1976 : Wow... I am amazed. Good news for AirBerlin. Very, VERY bad news for nieLOT. Air Berlin is now positioning itself to be the dominant carrier of Centra
42 Post contains images kiwiandrew : I think that you have hit the nail on the head . After years of spouting the "quality" line it looks as though OW have finally realised that while yi
43 directorguy : Although AB is primarily a leisure-oriented carrier, it does have, or will have some pretty important destinations medium and longhaul, such as BKK, T
44 columba : Very bad for Malev, as they will become less important for Oneworld, Air Berlin is the stronger airline and will become the important airline for Cen
45 AirCanadaA330 : wow....Im surprised about this, but at the same time I am not! Either way congrads to both Oneworld and Air Berlin. This will put some pressure on Sta
46 Ushermittwoch : Too bad this hasn't been done earlier. I am now between a rock and a hard place. I still rely on SkyTeam for long-haul and intra-US flights. But in Ce
47 BlueSky1976 : No worries, they still have some of those A330s they can hold onto while they expand. 787s won't go anywhere and they can always purchase more later,
48 LHRFlyer : Great to see Oneworld starting to gain a bit of pace in recruiting new members.
49 fcogafa : I wonder how this might affect the Air Berlin Stansted operation - might they move to LHR? The other possibility might be that AAL reinstate a JFK-STN
50 FiestaFlight : Wasn't there just a thread a few days ago lamenting AA's lack of service to Germany? Ha! I guess this will help. I too, wish this was sooner, as I am
51 jetlanta : I'd also say that in the "arms race" to achieve a scale to compete with Star, the idea that you can pick and choose only "quality" carriers is out-da
52 HT : But where to get the slots from ? -HT
53 9252fly : Who knows,maybe AB will work with MA to have BUD as a alternate hub on a lesser scale. I would think BA will offer some assistance and advice if AB w
54 HT : AB to LON: Currently there are only limited nonstops offered by AB to STN from DUS, HAJ, PAD, FMO and NUE. From HAJ they also have new competition fro
55 Timboflier215 : So, obvious question: who is next for OW? Recently speculated about on here: B6, GOL, EI. Possibility: MH? BA/IB buying LO? SK? Shot in the dark: Arik
56 IBA346 : Next airline I would like to see join OW is IG (Merdiana). It has codeshares with IB, BA and AY. It has similar network strategy to AB. And would com
57 AIR MALTA : I also have the same feeling!!! IG needs to strengthen a bit its domestic network and we might have a OneWorl hub in MXP as well.
58 1stfl94 : Out of LHR, might BA do what LH has done with BMI and get AB to operate some of BA's schedules to Germany, particularly some of the smaller cities lik
59 Post contains images Andaman : Simply Wunderbar news Thats what AY has been working on, to get partners to feed their Asia network. Similar plans with Norwegian.
60 Eagleboy : I wonder how this will affect the possibilites of EI rejoining OW. A major argument form the anti-group was that EI were LCC so not suitable to OW.
61 DTWHKG : Oneworld still desperately needs a Chinese carrier. It has been 3 years since Hainan Airlines applied to join OW. Does anyone know what is going on wi
62 Post contains images LUPOR1D : Positive news. Well done Air Berlin!
63 Post contains images Andaman : If AB why not Aer Lingus and even Norwegian...
64 Sketty222 : Great news for OW and AB. I cant believe how much they have grown in the last 12-18 months. Now we've got S7, Mexicana, Kingfisher and Air Berlin all
65 Post contains images craazy : OW hub in Berlin .... Loooooove it !!! One of my favorite cities in the world !!!! How nice it would be to be able to fly direct USA-BBI on AA instead
66 GlobalCabotage : Any chance of ORD-TXL returning some day?
67 Post contains images lightsaber : This surprised me. A good strategic move by AB and OneWorld. The new BER airport (BBI code is already allocated apparently) is a natural hubbing oppor
68 avek00 : This will have a moderate impact on Lufthansa and Star Alliance, but the biggest impact might be on SkyTeam depending on how aggressive AB becomes. M
69 Post contains images blink182 : True, AB does not have an international lie-flat product at the moment, but having experienced both B6(not officially joining but specuation has swir
70 MillwallSean : BA doesnt have slots for this. LHR will stay the way it is and there wont be any shift to AB, an airline with zero presence in the LHR market. We mus
71 PHX Flyer : Which hub exactly are we talking about here? The main benefit for OW is probably to generate some additional from Air Berlin's local customer base an
72 WROORD : AA does not have the right aircraft for that, but AB with A330 might work. AA and AB are to sign code share agreement so that's a possibility to allo
73 OzarkD9S : 763? Seems plausible to me. And 787's on the way...
74 328JET : Very interesting and probably causing some gray hair in Frankfurt... That will change the whole german market. I could imagine that One World is not v
75 ckfred : It seems to me that the gaping hole for AA and oneworld, besides China, is Canada. It appears that the West Jet/Southwest codeshare is dead. If that's
76 Burkhard : Very interesting development. Must have been well prepared, since there weren't rumors about it lately. Congrats to OW and AB, and best wishes. With t
77 mozart : To be honest I am rather surprised about this. I always thought that if AB was going to join an alliance it'd rather be Skyteam. Skyteam is not as muc
78 328JET : @ Burkhard Business doesn´t matter - yields matters. If Air Berlin can increase their yields by extending their scheduled flights plus feeder flights
79 bestwestern : Budapest? the anti-group that doesn't understand European aviation. just because you have to buy food on board, doesnt make an airine unsuitable. HK-
80 Burkhard : In this context, about a year ago I read that BER had many problems with the integration of LTU and were considering to sell it again. Any new rumors
81 HT : Personally, I see little advantage in AB joining OW for me. Options for longhaul flights on OW out of HAJ via some hub in Europe are nil at the moment
82 columba : AA 767-300 could work. Well AB is more of a hybrid. It is not a typical low cost airline. They offer point to point connections to several German and
83 PanHAM : Don't have the time to read all contributions, my apologies if this has been mentioned before . Concerning FRA - by the end of 2011, 200.000 additona
84 Byrdluvs747 : AB already has a lounge in DUS. I too am surprised, but not by AB going into OW. I'm surprised by the speed at which OW has lined up another member.
85 Post contains images PEET7G : Wow...what an unexpected move, but a very welcomed one from OW! I can not think of another EU market with such a strong and liberal air market like Ge
86 Globeex : I don't really see how everybody is saying that OW is sacrificing a lot of their quality expectations. As I see it, at the beginning AB will rather be
87 HT : What I tried to express in my reply #81 is, that, even though there might be advantages for some people living near the proper airports in AB joining
88 Burkhard : Funny to see that Air Berlin will become what dba was intended to be. Hope doesn't get a similar debacle.
89 328JET : @ Burkhard Yes, it sound like a DBA Mk.2... And if you compare the Pax figures/year of BA and LH, BA is in real need for strong partners in europe. Ar
90 Post contains images HT : If so, who then would be the german airline to take over AB in a few years ? Needs to be some smaller carrier right now, that will have grown by the
91 PanHAM : Totally different scenario. DBA was an investment gone wrong, AB will be an alliance partner without any financial commitment for BA. The worst thing
92 Post contains images PEET7G : I got to agree with you, however i would not be pointing fingers at those three either, Y on short haul within these airlines is not in any way diffe
93 acelanzarote : Sounds good to me, well done Air Berlin. Longer term, will I be able to earn BA miles flying AB on all their routes I wonder.
94 tayser : their BKK flights are well placed to pick up QF codes. Start BER/MUC/DUS-SIN/HKG and the whole of Australia would be connected to more of Germany than
95 Arn777 : Is Norwegian/DY the next one to join OneWorld..?
96 AIR MALTA : Earliest entry time in OW for Air Berlin will be January 2012 which is far away in time. All other alliances seem to integrate their airlines faster i
97 Post contains links IBA346 : Here is the link http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ome-associate-oneworld-member.html This news gets even more surprising. Will OW become the ho
98 cgnnrw : I agree with this statement. Most of the US legacies have been moving towards LCC status for past10 years now. Many Americans still foster the notion
99 Post contains images r2rho : Whaaat? An alliance other than Star having a presence in Germany? Blasphemy!
100 Post contains links Andaman : Was thinking the same. AB and AY are going to a closer cooperation, also "in terms of frequent-flyer programmes". "Finnair and Air Berlin begin a cod
101 Byrdluvs747 : Good news indeed, but they should upgrade their web presence. It currently has a cheap Ryanair feel to it. Definitely not alliance worthy.
102 AIR MALTA : True but even the logo does not look like a business oriented airline... But they serve business routes out of VIE : MXP, ROM, CDG, BUH, BEG, FRA, MU
103 Post contains links Ota1 : According to oneworld's John McCulloch AB will be the last European airline to join the alliance: for the entire article see here: www.centreforaviat
104 Post contains images columba : From an enthusiast point of view, I can not wait for the first AB aircraft wearing an Onworld livery !! Somehow I have the feeling it will be an A32x
105 GSTBA : For now. I can see them adding another carrier a year or two down the line especially if star or skyteam do, It seems that of late BA seem to be doin
106 Post contains links r2rho : This is really big news for OW. It's being a decisive year for them - IT, S7, IB-BA merger, ATI approval, and now AB. OW will now at last be able to c
107 DFWEagle : A few weeks ago, Willie Walsh was quoted as saying BA planned further mergers/acquisitions after the IB deal is completed -: I am wondering if BA/IB m
108 Andie007 : I'm quite excited whether Air Berlin will now change the Business Class strategy for short and medium haul routes (+opening of new lounges).
109 Post contains images hotplane : Came across this today:
110 Vasu : Nice! Is this a computer-generated image? Where did it come from?
111 Byrdluvs747 : I think AA needs to focus on FRA and Berlin And those words will go out the window if AA or BA sees a strategic opportunity in another carrier. I'd be
112 Post contains images xXMHxLHx5LXx : YEEEY... that's some great news for oneworld indeed. Now the only thing left to do would be getting AB flying to LHR.. I don't think they are going to
113 craazy : Likely by invitation but I'm sure that doesn't include aquisition/mergers.
114 Post contains images MH017 : Good one for Oneworld !!! Instead of competing on the Spanish market (PMI is an AB-hub), AB can now cooperate with IB, offering more possibilities for
115 xXMHxLHx5LXx : or raising fares for the Spanish customers as a big competitor to IB now becomes an ally ...
116 HT : But service-wise it will be a downgrade of IB were to fly domestically for AB (out of PMI). IB's service product in Europe is below AB's standard (ho
117 AA1818 : My thoughts exactly. The new IAG will grow oneworld in Europe through acquisitions and their own expansion rather than inviting new members (of which
118 r2rho : That is one of the conflictive points I see - there could be some antitrust concerns. But Spain is arguably the second most competitive EU market aft
119 AA1818 : Doesn't MA serve a lot of smaller Eastern European cities or does AB also have those covered well? Perhaps S7 could gobble up MA and integrate it int
120 AIR MALTA : I think MA still has its place in OW as OK in Sky or LO in Star. MA can serve which won't be never served effectively by Air Berlin : Sarajevo, Ljubl
121 LAXintl : Air Berlin and AA have filed with the DOT for their code-share. Planned cities are: Operated by AA: Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) - Frankfurt (FRA) New York
122 AIR MALTA : I Nothing stops AB or AA from starting flights to USA from Vienna. That would be cool. Remember that flyNiki offers a lot of good connections out of V
123 Post contains images HT : Great ! OneWorld's negligence of my homebase HAJ continues, even though AB has 2 daily flights (weekdays) to ZRH -HT
124 AJMIA : Codeshares are usually adopted in phases. I am sure the markets above are just Phase I and include the most competitive and lucrative markets. I am s
125 PhilV : Air Berlin has established itself as a good alternative for Businesstravelers who want to travel in Y in Germany and Europe in terms of Network and Qu
126 r2rho : Very interesting, thanks for the info! On the US side, this establishes JFK and MIA as AB's gateways to the rest of the US, with some interesting con
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