LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7053 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 6): The aircraft used on this route is to be a B777-200LR.
My sources had pointed out that a load restricted B77W would be in operation, but it seems the LR is the choice to EWR.
Are there any other flight flown/proposed from BOM using B77L? If none, then it seems likely that six B77L will be based in DEL.
It would make more sense to switch to B77W on BOM-EWR at a later date so that all eight B77L are based in DEL, which could lead to higher utilisation of B77L. Depending on the DEL-NA schedule, AI could schedule B77Ls on SE Asia/HKG or ME routes from DEL to achieve higher utilisation. CO is very good at doing this.
Quoting ojas (Reply 6): My sources had pointed out that a load restricted B77W would be in operation, but it seems the LR is the choice to EWR.
Great aircraft choice indeed, this aircraft is not currently operated to EWR by any carrier so this is very good news!!! What about DEL-EWR n/s?? One more questions will this flight be daily?
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6975 times:
Interesting how the EWR-BOM segment is timed to leave and arrive around the same time that the JFK-DEL flight is. I wonder how this nonstop will be able to compete with CO's existing service. Good luck to AI!
fortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6975 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 6): My sources had pointed out that a load restricted B77W would be in operation, but it seems the LR is the choice to EWR.
This is strange and not sure if I understand the logic behind using 77L to EWR. Aren't they currently using 77W via FRA and able to fill it. Even if they take a slight penalty out of BOM on 77W, they should stick with it and utilize 77L somewhere else.
77L on this route means there will be less number of seats and EWR should be able to fill 77W just fine. If CO can do BOM-EWR with 772ER then there is no reason why AI can't do the same route with 77W. I would think 77W is quite a capable machine as proven by EK on their SFO runs and for the most part BOM-EWR can be done on 77W without much penalty if CO is able to do it on 772ERs.
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2785 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6951 times:
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 10): Interesting how the EWR-BOM segment is timed to leave and arrive around the same time that the JFK-DEL flight is. I wonder how this nonstop will be able to compete with CO's existing service. Good luck to AI!
It has already been competing with CO with a one stop service so far and were doing good, the non stop will just be better.
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ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2785 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6927 times:
Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 11): If CO can do BOM-EWR with 772ER then there is no reason why AI can't do the same route with 77W. I would think 77W is quite a capable machine as proven by EK on their SFO runs and for the most part BOM-EWR can be done on 77W without much penalty if CO is able to do it on 772ERs.
FYI, EK on DXB- SFO goes on a payload restriction they cannot fill the plane to full capacity (I believe it is 325 pax outof 354); same thing with CO ... IIRC CO cannot carry revenue cargo on their BOM - EWR flight. AI's BOM - EWR flight would be able to take 306 pax outbound (BOM -> EWR) and full passengers inbound (342). Also, our back end rumors were suggesting a B77W for this route as well. But then AI chose the B77L, which will carry full cargo and pax ... and maybe upgrade to a B77W later.
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15730 posts, RR: 48 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6898 times:
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2785 posts, RR: 23 Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6861 times:
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7): Are there any other flight flown/proposed from BOM using B77L? If none, then it seems likely that six B77L will be based in DEL.
In the winter schedule, the B77Ls will do the following routes
DEL - ORD .. 2 aircrafts
DEL - FRA ,.. 1 aircraft
DEL - HKG - ICN/KIX .. 1 aircraft
DEL - LHR ... 1 aircraft (From winter AI will go 10 weekly to double daily on DEL - LHR ..B77L + B77W)
DEL - CDG & DEL - NRT (3pw and 4pw respectively) .. 1 aircraft.
BOM - EWR .. 2 aircrafts
Not the best utilisation, but at least all aircrafts would be in use.
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B77Ws ....
DEL - YYZ .. 2 aircrafts
DEL - JFK .. 2 aircrafts
DEL - MEL .. 2 aircrafts
DEL - LHR .. 1 aircraft
BOM - LHR .. 1 aircraft
Even if one extra is kept to rotate with the 8 tightly used B77Ws, AI will still have 3 ERs doing nothing. Plus they have another 3 on order. Of course all the leased B777s have been sent back, A310s and B744s have restricted use to Saudi Arabia only.
BOM -
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15730 posts, RR: 48 Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6838 times:
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 17): They have the B77Ls, which other Indian carries don't have. Don't forget T3, an integrated terminal, at DEL just came online.
9W/IT have/had similarly capable aircraft, and while T3 should be a major coup for AI, people have been connecting through hell holes for years--in SVO they still do The only question is, how do 9W/IT respond?
kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6831 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 16): Even if one extra is kept to rotate with the 8 tightly used B77Ws, AI will still have 3 ERs doing nothing. Plus they have another 3 on order. Of course all the leased B777s have been sent back, A310s and B744s have restricted use to Saudi Arabia only.
777-300ERs also fly BOM-SIN and BOM-DXB daily each
8) B777-200LRs
* DEL - ORD
* BOM - EWR
* DEL - FRA
* DEL - LHR
* DEL - NRT 4pw
* DEL - CDG 3pw
* BOM - DEL - HKG - ICN 4pw
* DEL - HKG - KIX 3pw
12+3) B777-300ERs
* BOM - DEL - JFK
* BOM - LHR
* DEL - LHR
* DEL - LHR - YYZ 3pw
* ATQ - LHR - YYZ 4pw
* DEL - MEL
* BOM - SIN
* BOM - DXB
Did they end the AMD-FRA route?
Also, is YYZ for sure going nonstop? In that case, will they keep ATQ - LHR?
USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3266 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6780 times:
It appears BOM is being heavily dismantled on the international side. Too bad the AI site doesn't have a PDF timetable to keep track of the changes. Otherwise, looks like AI is getting ready to join Star with a rationalized network.
fortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6741 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 13): FYI, EK on DXB- SFO goes on a payload restriction they cannot fill the plane to full capacity (I believe it is 325 pax outof 354); same thing with CO ... IIRC CO cannot carry revenue cargo on their BOM - EWR flight. AI's BOM - EWR flight would be able to take 306 pax outbound (BOM -> EWR) and full passengers inbound (342). Also, our back end rumors were suggesting a B77W for this route as well. But then AI chose the B77L, which will carry full cargo and pax ... and maybe upgrade to a B77W later.
Yeah...I know that EK takes payload restrictions and some time scheduled refueling stops such as the one they took some days ago in SEA. However I was wondering wouldn't the slight payload restriction be better than substantially lower number of seats that 77L offers. Is revenue potential for this route from cargo significantly outweighs the lost pax count?
25 kiwiandrew: Sometimes freight pays better than pax. In that case it can be better to not offer so many seats to the lowest yield pax and carry freight instead .
26 fortunerunnner: Hopefully that is the case here. Knowing AI's past we can never be sure if their decisions were based on such sound business logic or a toss of a coi
27 ojas: And paving way to 9W to have a hub there.
28 9W748Capt: When will BOM's new terminal be ready? Will it be comparable to DEL's new T3 in terms of convenience for int'l to domestic connections?
29 fortunerunnner: I think the new terminal is slated to be completed by 2012 and it will be integrated terminal just like DEL. Once it goes into operations, connecting
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