This flight connects will in both directions to key points in Canada (YVR, YUL, YYC) and also to key destinations in India such as BOM, MAA, BLR, CCU, HYD, ATQ et al.
This flight will not have any passenger restrictions, however it cannot carry revenue cargo in DEL - YYZ direction.
[Edited 2010-07-27 09:30:43]
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blr380 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 147 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8480 times:
good to see the non-stop YYZ route back. I njoyed AC service a few years back when they flew the route non-stop. Is there any reason behind 6 wky/daily flights (bilaterals?)
Nice to see AI expand in DEL and making it a true int'l hub.
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8403 times:
So three of the non-stop routes, DEL-JFK, DEL-ORD, BOM-EWR, will be flown by 77L. That takes care of 6 of the eight 77L. Is DEL-MEL on 77L or 77W?
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2785 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8300 times:
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 5): So three of the non-stop routes, DEL-JFK, DEL-ORD, BOM-EWR, will be flown by 77L. That takes care of 6 of the eight 77L.
DEL - JFK is a B77W from the winter schedule. DEL - MEL is not clear as of now. But with almost all B77Ls being utilised given the existing schedules out of DEL; MEL should be a B77W.
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pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2046 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8195 times:
Nonstop is one way to offset some of the threat from EK connecting through DBX and competition from Jet out of YYZ connecting through BRU. If they have an idea that AC will resume service to India when the 787's arrive they also might want to re-establish a direct link beforehand.
Traffic to and from India is known for very heavy passenger baggage volume. Some of the visits are for extended stays of relatives coming to visit family living in Canada. As well family going back to India from Canada tend to get a long list of items that family members want brought. Watch an AI flight checkin and you get the idea very quickly.
fortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8186 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 6):
DEL - JFK is a B77W from the winter schedule. DEL - MEL is not clear as of now. But with almost all B77Ls being utilised given the existing schedules out of DEL; MEL should be a B77W.
Wouldn't 77W be too big of a plane to fill for a brand new route that never existed or there is that much of a perceived demand?
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8086 times:
Is AC planning on putting a codeshare on this flight once AI joins Star?
golfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 556 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8072 times:
I hope with this newest tactic of the T3 hub, AI gets it's house in order. If they cannot offer convenient connectors departing within 2-4 hours of arrival, it's going to be useless. Currently, it's the likes of EK, EY and QR who are connecting India better than it's national airline.
I have to fly to BLR in September on business and was looking for options. AI came up with AI188 YYZ-LHR-DEL-BLR a freaking 8 hour layover in DEL. I instead booked tickets for YYZ-IAD-DOH-BLR on AA and QR with max layovers of 2 hours.
behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4439 posts, RR: 43 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7982 times:
No the capacity of the B 77W is ideal for this route as it will cater to O&D traffic from all of Canada (with AC interline from YYZ) to all of India (via DEL) as well as to DAC and KTM.
Between Nov-Feb, this flight should see near full loads where as between March-November, it might do in the mid 70s% range. The flight schedule is also very good in the sense that there will be no more stressful 'fog related' delays during the peak winter season.
9W will suffer big time due to this from YYZ as they are using an older A 332 on this route with 18J + 236Y with an old J class product that does not offer flat bed seating.
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7959 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 11): No the capacity of the B 77W is ideal for this route as it will cater to O&D traffic from all of Canada (with AC interline from YYZ) to all of India (via DEL) as well as to DAC and KTM.
Does AI fly non-stop from Delhi to Colombo? Or any other carrier?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21483 posts, RR: 24 Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7932 times:
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 9): Is AC planning on putting a codeshare on this flight once AI joins Star?
AC already codeshares on 9W flights, both their direct flights YYZ-DEL via BRU and on connecting AC/9W flights via LHR.. Once AI joins Star I would expect AC may end that relationship and switch the codeshare to AI.
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7913 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 13): UL flies a daily DEL - CMB with an AI code share on it.
Thanks. Will the proposed DEL-YYZ flight connect well with this flight? Can AI expect to attract some of the YYZ-Colombo market?
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7818 times:
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 16): I have to admit that is not a market I would have considered . Do you know whether there is much of a YYZ-CMB market ?
I believe there are many Sri Lankans of Tamil origin in YYZ. I wonder if the current political situation in Sri Lanka is an impediment for VFR travel.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3952 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7613 times:
Quoting ag92 (Reply 1): And why this cargo restriction on one way of the flight?
That to is my question. It is not as if the 77W is payload limited in any way. It is good for about 47t assuming ~ 6700nm ESAD which is a useful margin over the max passenger load ~33t.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7345 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7505 times:
Air India going to all the big North American cities nonstop, what a concept. They ordered all these 777 but stopped in FRA and LHR like they have been doing since Independence. This is what should have been done in 2004 when the 777 arrived. Now AI has a new strategy, fly nonstop to all the Big Star Alliance in North America.
Boeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1259 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6866 times:
Quoting golfradio (Reply 10): instead booked tickets for YYZ-IAD-DOH-BLR on AA and QR with max layovers of 2 hours.
fly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1661 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6832 times:
So just to clear something up this flight replaces the flight the have right now correct?
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25 pnwtraveler: Another question to whoever may know. Is the lack of cargo space simply due to the range and passenger baggage issue? Or is there a security issue wit
26 tayser: With the amount of Indians in Melbourne and the business connections, no non-stop flights from anywhere in Australia to India at present (SYD-BOM is
27 sunrisevalley: Range would not be the issue and to use the available freight capacity with extra baggage asumes each pasenger to have something like 40kg of excess
28 fortunerunnner: Great. Hopefully it works out for AI as I would like to seem them succeed and start even more routes
29 Nimish: Wow - excellent progress from AI. Now where are those 787s when AI needs them to allow for additional flights from their hub at DEL?
30 Kaiarahi: That's 112 77Ws! On the other hand, EK has CMB sewn up with 2 daily 77W DXB-CMB-DXB, daily 332 via MLE, and a 43% ownership stake in UL.
31 Flying Belgian: Hi Behramjee, I've flown with one of those two "Rolls-Royce" A332 back in march from BRU to DEL and I can tell you the seats in economy are very comf
32 IAD380: Besides New York, which North American cities does AI fly nonstop from BOM? Also, what are AI plans for IAD?
33 mk777: I think once AI starts getting there 787, they will fly to IAD. I also feel that AI is trying to get to all the major *A hubs with their flights: BOM
34 ojas: Other than DEL - SFO, and DEL - XXX - MXP no new routes should be coming online. With the B787s I expect BOM - JFK to re start alongside with BOM - E
35 fortunerunnner: AI has ~27 (per wikipedia) 787s on order so they will definitely start new routes with those once all of them are delivered. Which routes AI will sta
36 AKLDELNonstop: Are you thinking what I am thinking, Sir?
37 ojas: DEL - MXP - IAD ... sorry a typo there. Yes I'm!!!!!!
38 vivekman2006: In addition to new routes, the 787s could also serve as a replacement for AI's A310s for serving medium haul destinations like SIN, HKG, PVG, KIX, et
39 fortunerunnner: Per Wikipedia currently AI has approximately 14 planes which are either leased and/or slated for retirement such as 310s, 332s (leased), 772/772ER (w
40 IAD380: So, DEL-SFO will be nonstop, while DEL to IAD will stop in MXP? Assuming that the flight to SFO crosses the Atlantic rather than the Pacific, why wou
41 LAXDESI: I wonder if AI plans to convert some of its 788 orders to 789 for its higher range. I would think they are planning to use some of the 787s for non-st
42 fortunerunnner: Probably they want to capture MXP-IAD market. Not sure how much market there for for MXP-SFO and SFO flight most probably will use the polar routes s
43 IAD380: Thank you, An excellent answer to my question!
44 fortunerunnner: You are welcome sir. My analysis was purely my own and in no way an authoritative answer, I hope someone who has better knowledge about the matter wi
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